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• NCrivals Dec 19, 2014 Towel Boy Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Oct, 2013 Posts: 19

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• blueboy4 Dec 17, 2014 Towel Boy Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Nov, 2007 Posts: 1

  how do you guys feel about longsnappers being on these post season teams?

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• OscarMeyer Dec 12, 2014 All Star Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Oct, 2014 Posts: 400

  Waggle, let me know how your meeting with the GNRC AD's goes. I am sure you will be quite persuasive. And I didn't call you Robbie, Himmel did.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 12, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  Amen Donna. You have to under stand something Donna. OscarMeyerWeiner and I have a hate/hate relationship for some reason. The frustration of trying to figure out who I am has driven him totally insane. But I agree with you 100%. Just because little Johnny was the "best" player on the Garner, EW or Clayton team and got nominated for "all conference" does not mean that he was the best player at his position in the conference. Lets just assume there were 10 running backs chosen. I guarantee the other 9 were not the best at that position. Hines was the best. Therefore he would be the first team running back. Now we shall all wait for the response from Oscar, flairric, moorescreek, etc etc etc. LOL Thanks for commenting Donna.

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• OscarMeyer Dec 12, 2014 All Star Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Oct, 2014 Posts: 400

  donna, just think if you actually understood the meaning of my post.

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• ladyknowssports Dec 12, 2014 Towel Boy Location: Wake Forest, NC Joined: May, 2014 Posts: 9

  OscarMeyer really....."in the weightroom, on the practice field and in the games."All conference does not mean "most or best effort" All conference should be about talent. BEST PLAYERS - PERIODTrust me! the fans, parents, refs, sports writers, hot vendors, ect know who's the best players in a conference. Your other comment - "Sad, that you dont like the way kids are recognized for their contributions" this is not little league. The varsity letter they recieve at the end of season banquet is the recongnition.

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• OscarMeyer Dec 12, 2014 All Star Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Oct, 2014 Posts: 400

  waggle/robbie, like I said, instead of whining and complaining on here, take your thoughts to the GNRC AD's. I am sure they are anxious to hear from you.And good for you, that folks on a message board agree with you.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 12, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  Seems like a lot more people agree with me than with you. LOL! Of course I never expected you to agree with me. Most people would rather see the selections be made by position. With a first team and second team. Followed by honorable mention. That way there is true recognition to the athlete. I do appreciate your input on the topic though OscarMeyerWeiner. Great hearing from you.

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• OscarMeyer Dec 12, 2014 All Star Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Oct, 2014 Posts: 400

  waggle, let me know after your meeting with the GNRC athletic directors and their response to your concerns.I completely understand what you are saying but this is their process and if you dont like it, dont whine on a message board, go talk to them.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 11, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  Southeastern All ConferencePosted on: December 10th, 2013 by Randy Gore COMPLETE ALL-CONFERENCE PHOTO GALLERY Southeastern Conference - First TeamOFFENSE Harry Randall Woodland Hills QBNick Barca Baldwin RBMiles Sanders Woodland Hills RB Mac Pope Upper St. Clair MB Troy Apke Mt. Lebanon WR Luke Smorey Baldwin WR Max Augenstein Peters Township TE Mike Grimm Bethel Park T Ben Huss Upper St. Clair T Matt Hoffman Mt. Lebanon G Zack Morris Upper St. Clair G Joe Pateras Upper St. Clair C Danny Christensen Bethel Park K DEFENSE Alex Bookster Mt. Lebanon DL James Eggleson Woodland Hills DL Robert Plummer Upper St. Clair DL Ryan Sosnak Bethel Park DL Daechaud Ausbrooks Woodland Hills LB Dontae Broadas Woodland Hills LB Kyle Page Upper St. Clair LB Joe Repischak Upper St. Clair LB Danny Emma Bethel Park DB Shawn Featherstone Penn Hills DB Morgan Lee Upper St. Clair DB Trevon Mathis Woodland Hills DB Chris Papalia Bethel Park P Jim Render Upper St. Clair Coach of the Yeaabove is an example how the WPIAL in Pennsylvania does it. This is for the Class 2-AAAA. There are 8 teams in this conference and close to 400 players.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 11, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  @twetherby, I agree with you post 100%. The GNRC takes the easy way out in the selection process by allowing the head coach to decide who his "best" players are.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 11, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  @weiner(aka too many to list), it does not matter what I say you will always disagree with me. The point of possibly including sports writers was to add some balance to the voting process. Even though there is not enough writers to probably do such. Not taking anything from the 70 players who made the GNRC all conference honors since they are the best players out of the 400-500 players in the conference. This in itself is a honor. I would like to see it based on position. Offense, Defense, Kicker, Punter, and MVP. Break it down in to 2 teams and honorable mention team. So that you understand oscar meyer weiner, you would get 24 first team selections, 24 second team selections and 11 or 12 honorable mention selections. These are the kids that are the best at their positions. Can you figure that your on your own or does someone need to help you??

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• twetherby Dec 11, 2014 Bench Warmer Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Dec, 2006 Posts: 44

  Different conferences do it differently. The SWAC has coaches nominate their players and then the other coaches vote on those nominated. Coaches cannot vote on their own players. It is a good system as every coach sees at least 3 games of the opposition a season. They know which players are typically deserving. The only missing element, IMO, is the relevant stats from the season and league play. League play stats should hold more weight as there are very different out of conference opponents. Also, IMO, each team should be required to enter those stats on MaxPreps. Currently, NCHSAA asks them to do that, but doesn't require it.

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• scratchnsniff Dec 11, 2014 Veteran Location: Wake Forest, NC Joined: Sep, 2014 Posts: 254

  My understanding is that all conference is not voted on collectively by the coaches and that the media has no say. The coaches collectively vote on player of the year honors. Each team is allotted a certain number of all conference selections based on how they finished in the conference race. The coaching staff for each team individually, and by their own methods, name their allotted all conference players.This approach makes the most sense to me as the coaches have enough on their hands evaluating the player skills on their own team much less the player skills on seven or eight other teams.

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• OscarMeyer Dec 11, 2014 All Star Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Oct, 2014 Posts: 400

  Interesting, so you think a sportswriter knows better than a kids coach who sees them in the weightroom, on the practice field and in the games.And the other coaches see them one night a year. Do you really think other coaches are going to watch film of others games and vote on players.Sad, that you dont like the way kids are recognized for their contributions. Maybe when your kid gets their waggle they will have it all straigtened out fo you.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 11, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  I agree with you lorimags. Coaches should nominate a minimum number of players from their team to the league. The league can then send a ballot out to the conference coaches for them to vote on. You could even balance the coaches out with local sports writers who actually follow the league. Regardless, naming 70 kids to an all conference team is ridiculous. The way it is set up now is more like giving a coaches award at the end of the season banquet.

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• Mag_Rules Dec 11, 2014 All Star Location: Littleton, NC Joined: Aug, 2014 Posts: 779

  I think that is what the SWAC does too.......let the Coaches of other teams decide. Plus, it is silly not to have 1st..2nd..honorable mention. There is no doubt that a number of kids on the GNRC list wouldn't start or even play at Garner, East Wake etc

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• 1119 Dec 10, 2014 All Star Location: Hillsborough, NC Joined: Aug, 2010 Posts: 565

  It is my understanding in the Big 8 conference coaches do not vote on their own players, they may bring a list from their team that they feel are worthy but have no vote for their own. I may be wrong but that is how it was presented to me once.

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• Pirate2010 Dec 10, 2014 Bench Warmer Location: Zebulon, NC Joined: Jun, 2012 Posts: 33

  My solution is that the coaches choose and vote on an actual all conference team as opposed to just allowing each individual coach to make selections from his own team and make them all conference, which is the policy now.

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• OscarMeyer Dec 10, 2014 All Star Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Oct, 2014 Posts: 400

  Wouldn't the coach be the best judge of who is deserving? Do you not think the coaches talk to each other?Instead of complaining, what is your solution.

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• Pirate2010 Dec 10, 2014 Bench Warmer Location: Zebulon, NC Joined: Jun, 2012 Posts: 33

  @oldtimecoach Now it is even more so on the coaches though, because they get to decide exactly who is on all conference from their team. Before, you could at least tell parents that you put the kids name up for consideration, fought for him, but he just didn't make it.

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• SQ067 Dec 10, 2014 Veteran Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Aug, 2012 Posts: 384

  Not the whiners.

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• twannrock Dec 10, 2014 Veteran Location: Fayetteville, NC Joined: Apr, 2007 Posts: 236

  Everybody gets a trophy now...........

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• SQ067 Dec 10, 2014 Veteran Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Aug, 2012 Posts: 384

  From the Shrine Bowl to all conference in any format I have yet to see a process where someone did not whine.

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• twetherby Dec 10, 2014 Bench Warmer Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Dec, 2006 Posts: 44

  There are still a few conferences that select 1st team/2nd team lists. While I agree with those conferences, even their processes aren't perfect. There are kids who make 1st team with inferior stats and play to others either on 2nd team or honorable mention. Usually, there are 2 reasons. 1) That player is on a team which had a better season than the player with better stats or more impact. And 2) That player is from a team with few, if any other representatives and the coaches feel the need to include someone from every team. In either case, it does a disservice to the players with better stats or more impact.The all-conference teams that simply list 70 or so players are ridiculous. It is akin to the participation trophies given at the youth level.

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• 2017Gooseeggs Dec 10, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Charlotte, NC Joined: Dec, 2013 Posts: 1226

  Same issue in Meck county. I see names listed that I didn't even notice on the field when they played. Great way to make what used to be a honor now nothing more than slightly above average performance gets you a mention

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• capitalwildcat66 Dec 10, 2014 All Star Location: Knightdale, NC Joined: Jul, 2011 Posts: 655

  my bad almost 70...

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• capitalwildcat66 Dec 10, 2014 All Star Location: Knightdale, NC Joined: Jul, 2011 Posts: 655

  Congrats to the GNRC all-conference players......But it looks like almost 50 kids made all conference...wow...either do it right or just stop naming all-conference teams..... I thought it was bad in the past where teams got a set number of slots based on the teams FINISH in the standings.....but this blows that process out of the water......Again this has nothing to do with the young men that busted their tails off all year but geesh...this team is a little excessive...

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• OscarMeyer Dec 9, 2014 All Star Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Oct, 2014 Posts: 400

  Waggle, you don't have a kid playing so why does it bother you so much?

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• 1119 Dec 9, 2014 All Star Location: Hillsborough, NC Joined: Aug, 2010 Posts: 565

  Definitely like the Big 8 Conferences format better, at least the positions are there and you can somewhat breakdown the first and second teams at least with some assumptions.Congrats to the guys of the Big 8.

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• SQ067 Dec 9, 2014 Veteran Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Aug, 2012 Posts: 384

  Players are getting rewarded with playing time and post season awards in Wake County due to parents?

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• Broken Arrow Dec 9, 2014 Towel Boy Location: Durham, NC Joined: Aug, 2012 Posts: 23

  Makes good coaches not want to coach. I understand and agree with all the comments made.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 9, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  The coaches or media need to vote on the best players in the conference based on position. Like DMB said it is just full of skill players in most cases. @oldtimecoach, then they all should get a trophy. Last time I checked this was not pop warner or civitan. No one pays to play.

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• oldtimecoach Dec 9, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Raleigh, NC Joined: Sep, 2008 Posts: 807

  Simple: crazy parents. No coach wants to put up with the grief, or lose his job, because little Johnny didn't make All-Conference.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 9, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  Exactly DMB Pirate.

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• Pirate2010 Dec 9, 2014 Bench Warmer Location: Zebulon, NC Joined: Jun, 2012 Posts: 33

  Wish it was that way, because the way it is now your all conference list is every team's QB, RB, and best WR. The skill player to o-lineman ratio is way too high.

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• Broadway Joe Dec 9, 2014 Sports Legend Location: Smithfield, NC Joined: Apr, 2010 Posts: 1425

  Whatever happened to days when we had a first team all conference and a second team all conference? Whatever happened to the honorable mention? Just looked at the GNRC all conference team and we have the Garner team and 5-8 players from all the other teams. Just go back to the days of putting the best 11 on each side of the ball and put them on the first team along with the best kicker and punter. And do the same for the second team.

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