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BFG AT KO2 in the snow

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by joejm14, Nov 12, 2018.

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1. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:08 PM #1

   #1 joejm14 [OP] Member

   Joined: Feb 2, 2018 Member: #243232 Messages: 19 Gender: Male

   First test in snow today and I am not impressed with the traction at low acceleration and breaking, especially into a turn. Stock tires seemed much better, which I am very surprised about. Maybe it’s just me. Anyone else feel unimpressed by the KO2s in snow?

   joejm14, Nov 12, 2018 #1 NickleCityTaco likes this.
2. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:11 PM #2

   #2 Grossomotto Complete 3rd Member

   Joined: Mar 13, 2018 Member: #247175 Messages: 8,447 39.9526° N, 75.1652° W Vehicle: 2017 4WDV6LB6MT

   Back in my Colorado days I used to go skiing on them, seriously they packed up with snow and were dangerous. Then I just bought studded tires.

   Grossomotto, Nov 12, 2018 #2 Breakfast_taCOs, casadetrevino and NickleCityTaco like this.
3. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:17 PM #3

   #3 Cclogan8 Well-Known Member

   Joined: Oct 1, 2016 Member: #198683 Messages: 193 Gender: Male First Name: Mike Logan, Utah Vehicle: 16 Taco DCLB Its getting bad, Im almost broke.

   There are so many different types of snow conditions out there. I pull my snowmobile trailer up a very steep unmaintained canyon 2-3x’s a week during winter months in ever changing snow conditions. I pull past many other trucks stuck in the snow with my ko2’s on many occasions. IMO they are as good as they get until you go with a dedicated snow tire. To each their own. You obviously had a different experience than I, but you may have a very different type of snow than what I tend to see here in northern utah, which is generally a very dry and deep snow.

   Cclogan8, Nov 12, 2018 #3 Jukeboxx13, GIANTSteps, here4cake and 6 others like this.
4. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:21 PM #4

   #4 Tacoma2020 Well-Known Member

   Joined: Sep 9, 2018 Member: #265725 Messages: 1,320 Gender: Male

   Cclogan8 said: ↑

   There are so many different types of snow conditions out there. I pull my snowmobile trailer up a very steep unmaintained canyon 2-3x’s a week during winter months in ever changing snow conditions. I pull past many other trucks stuck in the snow with my ko2’s on many occasions. IMO they are as good as they get until you go with a dedicated snow tire. To each their own. You obviously had a different experience than I, but you may have a very different type of snow than what I tend to see here in northern utah, which is generally a very dry and deep snow.Click to expand...

   What tire pressure do you run?

   Tacoma2020, Nov 12, 2018 #4 Hunter gatherer and peavey02 like this.
5. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:22 PM #5

   #5 Cclogan8 Well-Known Member

   Joined: Oct 1, 2016 Member: #198683 Messages: 193 Gender: Male First Name: Mike Logan, Utah Vehicle: 16 Taco DCLB Its getting bad, Im almost broke.

   In the winter I run at 30psi.

   Cclogan8, Nov 12, 2018 #5 Tacoma2020 likes this.
6. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:23 PM #6

   #6 Bishop84 Well-Known Member

   Joined: Dec 17, 2015 Member: #172494 Messages: 12,821 Gender: Male

   They have great characteristics the first 2 years due to the compound, as they age and wear they can appear "good" but everything under 7/32nds is junk on all terrains.

   Bishop84, Nov 12, 2018 #6 crashnburn80 likes this.
7. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:24 PM #7

   #7 crashnburn80 Vehicle Design Engineer

   Joined: Jun 6, 2015 Member: #156893 Messages: 14,915 Gender: Male Kirkland, WA Vehicle: 2003 DCSB TRD OR 5spd

   In my experience they do great when new, by 30k miles they still look good but slick weather performance is awful. So I just flip them for a new set at 30k.

   crashnburn80, Nov 12, 2018 #7 Captainskidmark and SR-71A like this.
8. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:47 PM #8

   #8 minium Well-Known Member

   Joined: Dec 28, 2016 Member: #205885 Messages: 698 Gender: Male Vehicle: 2017 Inferno Tacoma TRD Off Road

   At 20k miles I put on a set of KO2s, replacing the stock Wranlgers. I noticed the same thing, the stock tires were pretty impressive in the rough winter we had in Oregon 2017. The KO2s are decent, but not as good. That being said the wranglers are over priced and ugly. I will probably go Duratracs for my next set. This is plowed and unplowed highway driving, with moderate ice. Minimal off-road / deep snow.

   minium, Nov 12, 2018 #8
9. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:52 PM #9

   #9 DavesTaco68 Well-Known Member

   Joined: Oct 22, 2016 Member: #200391 Messages: 3,360 North Thompson, BC Vehicle: 2013 Tacoma TRD - ICON UCAs, BP51/Kings, SCS wheels, 285s, Leer 100XR canopy. Greenlane aluminum winch bumper, Smittybilt X20 winch. Trying Falken AT3w now, Really like BF KO2s.

   I've used my KO2s though the winter and had no problems here in BC. I do run a true winter tire DMV2 once it gets bad here now.

   DavesTaco68, Nov 12, 2018 #9 pcledrew and doublethebass like this.
10. Nov 12, 2018 at 8:56 PM #10

    #10 TexasTacoma713 Well-Known Member

    Joined: Oct 19, 2015 Member: #167065 Messages: 1,770 PNW Vehicle: 2024 OR

    Bishop84 said: ↑

    They have great characteristics the first 2 years due to the compound, as they age and wear they can appear "good" but everything under 7/32nds is junk on all terrains.Click to expand...

    This is very true

    TexasTacoma713, Nov 12, 2018 #10 Jukeboxx13 likes this.
11. Nov 12, 2018 at 9:00 PM #11

    #11 Stocklocker Well-Known Member

    Joined: May 15, 2017 Member: #219125 Messages: 12,809 Gender: Male Vehicle: 17TRDORDCSBAT

    joejm14[OP] initial post: ↑

    First test in snow today and I am not impressed with the traction at low acceleration and breaking, especially into a turn. Stock tires seemed much better, which I am very surprised about. Maybe it’s just me. Anyone else feel unimpressed by the KO2s in snow?Click to expand...

    Exactly my experience. The stock wranglers, with decent tread, are better snow tires than K02. The “severe snow” triple-peak snowflake rating is utter bullshit on K02. They must have paid someone off. They are as good as any generic all-season in the snow, but no better.

    Stocklocker, Nov 12, 2018 #11 twitchhero and shakerhood like this.
12. Nov 12, 2018 at 9:01 PM #12

    #12 Tacoma2020 Well-Known Member

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    Any recommendations for tires that still perform good in snow and mud after 2 years or 30k miles?

    Tacoma2020, Nov 12, 2018 #12 Anton338 likes this.
13. Nov 12, 2018 at 9:05 PM #13

    #13 Stocklocker Well-Known Member

    Joined: May 15, 2017 Member: #219125 Messages: 12,809 Gender: Male Vehicle: 17TRDORDCSBAT

    Tacoma2020 said: ↑

    Any recommendations for tires that still perform good in snow and mud after 2 years or 30k miles?Click to expand...

    I think that’s a tall order. Decent snow tires are too soft to run all year, so if you put 20K on them when it isn’t cold out, they’ll be pooched. Having said that, guys do seem to have success with Duratracs in the snow and year-round. I’m going for a true winter tire and K02 for the rest of the year.

    Stocklocker, Nov 12, 2018 #13 Anton338 likes this.
14. Nov 12, 2018 at 9:16 PM #14

    #14 Tacoma2020 Well-Known Member

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    Stocklocker said: ↑

    I think that’s a tall order. Decent snow tires are too soft to run all year, so if you put 20K on them when it isn’t cold out, they’ll be pooched. Having said that, guys do seem to have success with Duratracs in the snow and year-round. I’m going for a true winter tire and K02 for the rest of the year.Click to expand...

    It was mostly curiosity. Ft.Worth doesn’t get much snow. We have plenty of mud between droughts.

    Tacoma2020, Nov 12, 2018 #14 Stocklocker[QUOTED] likes this.
15. Nov 12, 2018 at 9:21 PM #15

    #15 shackley Well-Known Member

    Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Member: #29970 Messages: 1,310 Gender: Male First Name: Steve Albuquerque, New Mexico Vehicle: 2018 TRD Pro MT Super White RCI rock sliders, Goodyear Ultraterrains 265/70/R16, BAK X2 tonneau

    Cclogan8 said: ↑

    There are so many different types of snow conditions out there. I pull my snowmobile trailer up a very steep unmaintained canyon 2-3x’s a week during winter months in ever changing snow conditions. I pull past many other trucks stuck in the snow with my ko2’s on many occasions. IMO they are as good as they get until you go with a dedicated snow tire. To each their own. You obviously had a different experience than I, but you may have a very different type of snow than what I tend to see here in northern utah, which is generally a very dry and deep snow.Click to expand...

    That's my experience in NM with our dry snow.

    shackley, Nov 12, 2018 #15 Rogues Gambit likes this.
16. Nov 12, 2018 at 9:23 PM #16

    #16 Stocklocker Well-Known Member

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    Tacoma2020 said: ↑

    It was mostly curiosity. Ft.Worth doesn’t get much snow. We have plenty of mud between droughts.Click to expand...

    Duratrac might be a good choice for you then. It’s considered closer to a true mud-terrain tire than the k02.

    Stocklocker, Nov 12, 2018 #16 Uscgamecock7 and Tacoma2020[QUOTED] like this.
17. Nov 12, 2018 at 9:26 PM #17

    #17 NMTrailRider Well-Known Member

    Joined: Sep 28, 2009 Member: #23469 Messages: 5,292 New Mexico

    Tacoma2020 said: ↑

    Any recommendations for tires that still perform good in snow and mud after 2 years or 30k miles?Click to expand...

    Michelin Defender MS.

    NMTrailRider, Nov 12, 2018 #17 Woofer2609, taco abbo and Tacoma2020[QUOTED] like this.
18. Nov 12, 2018 at 9:51 PM #18

    #18 COOutlaw Old Guy-fan of: Shotguns,Birddogs,Flyrods,Whiskey.

    Joined: Mar 19, 2015 Member: #151349 Messages: 42 Gender: Male First Name: John Colorado Vehicle: 2019 DCLB TRD OR CEMENT None yet

    I live at 7800' elevation in Colorado, on the same snow plain as monument hill and palmer divide, we see a little snow here, I drive 4 miles of poorly maintained, winding, mountain, dirt roads and then highway almost daily. We get about 80+ inches of snowfall annually on normal years....Denver gets about 50". We also see temps that are far colder and deal with ice quite a bit more. My experience has been that KO2's work very well on heavier vehicles (I had a Dodge Cummins 2500 that loved that tire)....not so much on lighter rigs, this may be due to load ratings like E's being run on the lighter rigs instead of softer sidewalls that allow bow for a more pronounced tread footprint...I also don't believe the tread compound is as soft and grippy after it wears down a bit- harder as it nears the tire carcas (again requiring more weight down pressure for similar traction). I was once at a tire manufacturer's conference and spoke with an engineer that equated it to this: a 100 lb woman walks across a hardwood floor in high heels and leaves indents from the heels, a 300lb guy walks across the same hardwood floor in tennis shoes and never leaves a mark....its about the downward force applied to each size of surface of contact. In all weather tires they need a tread designed to A) Disperse water and packed in snow (self cleaning channels not blocked tread edges) B) Siping to allow the tread to flex and separate for traction. C) a softer tread compound to remain pliable when cold. D) a tread designed to apply adequate down force at all times for maintained traction while not separated enough (mud tires) to effect the contact footprint (most rubber meeting the road while still cleaning and not packing). Lighter vehicles (yes the Tacoma is a lighter vehicle by comparison to the other 50% of Larger vehicles) require a more careful matching of tires (IMO) to insure the weight available utilizes the tires full potential...and although we all like the durability of heavier weight rated, tougher sidewall, tires...a softer, passenger weight rated tire, will almost always provide better on road contact traction than "off road" tires on a vehicle of this weight. Just watch a Jeep wrangler on 35" mud tires try and go down an iced over mountain highway pass sometime. Point being: If we choose to run "combination" on/off road tires we need to understand the compromise- they are better off road, they are not as good on road, nor, are they usually equal to or better than dedicated snow tires in winter, and often, because of the tread spacing, are not equal to an all season tire ON road. Deeper snow off road or dirt roads- they are superior. The choice is facing the reality of looks vs primary need vs function (compromise of tires ability). In a perfect world we'd have sweet looking, E rated, mud tires, that were speed rated to 150mph, hugged curves like formula one cars, stopped in 30' on ice, had zero road noise, tracked like skis in snow and rain, and lasted 80,000 miles. In lieu of this fantasy, we pay our money and take our chances. But sometimes what works best, is hard to accept. With that, the KO2's are probably an average winter performer on this weight of vehicle, average meaning there are some better and some worse - other "C" rated or "P" rated options would likely be better "winter" performers. FWIW. YMMV. Outlaw out.

    COOutlaw, Nov 12, 2018 #18 FJ to Taco, 000doodie000, casadetrevino and 16 others like this.
19. Nov 12, 2018 at 10:02 PM #19

    #19 stealthmode Well-Known Member

    Joined: Dec 7, 2014 Member: #143869 Messages: 2,517 Gender: Male Alberta Vehicle: 2016 Short N Stubby Bed- MGM Front and Rear lifts Tires ECGS bushing Lots of other crap +HP sticker

    Cant believe people are saying anything positive about the stock tires....lol.

    stealthmode, Nov 12, 2018 #19 TacoQwan, Akaudrey, Mully and 2 others like this.
20. Nov 12, 2018 at 10:52 PM #20

    #20 Stocklocker Well-Known Member

    Joined: May 15, 2017 Member: #219125 Messages: 12,809 Gender: Male Vehicle: 17TRDORDCSBAT

    stealthmode said: ↑

    Cant believe people are saying anything positive about the stock tires....lol.Click to expand...

    If you had seen what I saw last winter running alongside a truck still on stock wranglers in a blizzard you would not laugh. It’s a knee-jerk reaction to write off the wrangler Kevlars. They don’t look amazing, but they are a sleeper.

    Stocklocker, Nov 12, 2018 #20 casadetrevino, minium, Pirate1975 and 4 others like this.

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