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Devil Within
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Asset Joined Aug 14, 2008 Messages 10,537 Points 113 If you have a time machine and travel back to ancient China, you will not be able to communicate with them at all. 古代汉语发音 [video=youtube;Ic5gOgDqZv4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic5gOgDqZv4[/video] Han-Tang Dynasty language 漢-唐朝的普通话 [video=youtube;oFL_nGB9-Ao]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFL_nGB9-Ao[/video] 李白 將進酒 中古漢語朗讀 [video=youtube;sVw9iyq59zo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVw9iyq59zo[/video]
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Asset Joined Aug 29, 2008 Messages 27,436 Points 113 Mandarin is a northern tongue. In fact, when the republic of china was newly formed, a committee voted for it to be the national language... The southern sichuan dialect narrowly lost by 1 vote.. or else we will be speaking like this now [video=youtube;0Y-7Ys5su5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y-7Ys5su5M[/video]
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Asset Joined Jul 17, 2011 Messages 10,331 Points 0 So basically mandarin was never the true language of the Chinese...talk about the northern ah tiong obsession with control. Pprancku
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Loyal Joined Oct 5, 2012 Messages 491 Points 0 What is the big deal? As time changes, language changes according to the people changing - words, pronunciation, usage, meaning, etc. English too underwent much changes and most people today would have difficult time understanding old Shakespeare English. The words 'gay' or 'pussy' we know now has completely different meanings to what the people of 50 years ago would had understood or imputed. BTW, TS, it should not be why ancient Chinese sound like Thai, but why Thai sound like ancient Chinese. A big part of thai culture and language were influenced by Chinese culture and language because the area that is now official Thailand had seen much influxes of Chinese immigrants in the last thousand years, especially those from southern China. Indeed, Thailand, throughout its history has been, on and off, a vassal state of different Chinese dynasties and kingdoms. Inter marriages and the mixing of immigrants to and fro are inevitable. Indeed the Thai language shares many common words as some Chinese dialects, especially Hokkien. Whether the usage of these common words will remain in the years to come, no body knows, as this depends on Chinese thai interaction, language usages, practices, changing contexts, meaning, etc. Rogue Trader
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Asset Joined Aug 29, 2008 Messages 27,436 Points 113The_Hypocrite said: So basically mandarin was never the true language of the Chinese...talk about the northern ah tiong obsession with control. Click to expand...The northerners have always dominated their southern brethren. This is also the same even for India and Europe. In fact, there are only 3 instances in chinese recorded history that south conquered the north and brought dynastic change.
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Loyal Joined Nov 5, 2014 Messages 757 Points 28 Sun Yat Sun was SOUTHERNER Cantonese....... ( or was he Hakka?) Pprancku
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Loyal Joined Oct 5, 2012 Messages 491 Points 0Victory2016 said: Sun Yat Sun was SOUTHERNER Cantonese....... ( or was he Hakka?) Click to expand...Wikipedia - Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866.[2] His birthplace was the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan County (now Zhongshan City), Guangdong Province.[2] He had a cultural background of Hakka[10] and Cantonese. After finishing primary education, he moved to Honolulu in the Kingdom of Hawaii, where he lived a comfortable life of modest wealth supported by his elder brother Sun Mei.
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Loyal Joined Oct 17, 2014 Messages 1,454 Points 38 halo ah hia me understand wright no spick like dat will dye or notDevil Within said: If you have a time machine and travel back to ancient China, you will not be able to communicate with them at all. Click to expand...D
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Loyal Joined Aug 7, 2008 Messages 118 Points 18 Ancient han and tang sound quite similar to Hakka? Wasn't Hakka origin from northern China? The_Hypocrite
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Asset Joined Jul 17, 2011 Messages 10,331 Points 0Victory2016 said: Sun Yat Sun was SOUTHERNER Cantonese....... ( or was he Hakka?) Click to expand...He was a Hakka...s bloody good for nothing that cause the rise of the warlords n promoted the rise of communism..Hakkas n Hokkeins are real scum
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Asset Joined Aug 14, 2008 Messages 10,537 Points 113The_Hypocrite said: He was a Hakka...s bloody good for nothing that cause the rise of the warlords n promoted the rise of communism..Hakkas n Hokkeins are real scum Click to expand...I am not sure about the hakka part, but I agree with you on the part that Sun Yat Sen is a bloody useless prick. He is only symbolic for the revolution but is really useless in bringing China to Democracy. R
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Loyal Joined Aug 15, 2016 Messages 322 Points 0 He was a Hakka...s bloody good for nothing that cause the rise of the warlords n promoted the rise of communism..Hakkas n Hokkeins are real scum in my opinion, teochew and hainanese are the real xxxxx..... Ffrenchbriefs
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Asset Joined Jul 25, 2013 Messages 17,813 Points 113 so basically all the southern and dialect chinese were the real chinese,the han chinese northerners and manchus and mongols are the barbarians. The_Hypocrite
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Asset Joined Jul 17, 2011 Messages 10,331 Points 0 The Cantonese call him a heroic man but not a great man....and true he is not perfect and no one is,,but there are 2 things I have my beef with him,,firstly he could have done better, and lastly the worse thing he ever did was to marry his wife,,,that Soong women who was a true blooded communist...she was instrumental in the rise of the CCP,,,,what a witch and one of the worse in Chinese history.Devil Within said: I am not sure about the hakka part, but I agree with you on the part that Sun Yat Sen is a bloody useless prick. He is only symbolic for the revolution but is really useless in bringing China to Democracy. Click to expand...
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Loyal Joined Jul 28, 2016 Messages 1,947 Points 113frenchbriefs said: so basically all the southern and dialect chinese were the real chinese,the han chinese northerners and manchus and mongols are the barbarians. Click to expand...In my opinion, the modern Japanese, i.e. the: wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_people are Chinese too (the first groups migrated to Japan possibly during the ancient Zhou dynasty), and although they are still far from perfect, they are still the only group of East Asians who have best managed to preserve ancient (especially Tang dynasty) Chinese culture, which is why I look up to them a lot, even though they are not perfect. Just comparing the manners/mannerisms alone of the average Japanese man/woman with the average Chinese man/woman is more than enough proof, in my opinion. :o And no other East Asian nation even comes close. :o Last edited: Oct 11, 2016
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Loyal Joined Apr 26, 2014 Messages 970 Points 28Rogue Trader said: The southern sichuan dialect narrowly lost by 1 vote.. or else we will be speaking like this now Click to expand...I thought it was the cantonese dialect that lost by 1 vote?
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Asset Joined Jul 25, 2008 Messages 63,411 Points 113 hakka were refugees escaping war and famine in the north mah. they set up makeshift fortresses (tulou) 土楼 in the south and ended up living there for centuries. many of the tulou fortresses are still around. can go visit and check them out.
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Asset Joined Jul 19, 2008 Messages 30,580 Points 0Ambulance said: halo ah hia me understand wright no spick like dat will dye or not Click to expand...hello mr chinese dog. Why you acting stupid now?
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Asset Joined Jul 19, 2008 Messages 30,580 Points 0retrenched said: He was a Hakka...s bloody good for nothing that cause the rise of the warlords n promoted the rise of communism..Hakkas n Hokkeins are real scum in my opinion, teochew and hainanese are the real xxxxx..... Click to expand...Heroes????
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Loyal Joined Aug 15, 2016 Messages 322 Points 0Jah_rastafar_I said: Heroes????
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