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Dissent

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10 Year Joined Sep 27, 2012 Threads 270 Messages 3,785 Location Sweetwater, TN (East of Knoxville) I almost bought a fire extinguisher today but came across a new company from Italy selling a new type of extinguisher. They sell here in the US now. Anyone seen or used one of these? Looks like it was a hit at SEMA this year. Element - Fire Extinguishers :bounce:

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10 Year Joined May 13, 2015 Threads 1 Messages 137 Location Varies by season One thing I don't see addressed on their FAQ's or elsewhere is expiration dates. They have no information at all about how many years/months the extinguisher will be good for. It says "longer lasting". This refers to how many seconds it will discharge, not it's expected lifespan. '97 80 series - 40th Edition, but with wrong interior, a lift and some 315s 285s now. Lots of pinstriping by ScrubOak and some dents by SidewaysSlides.

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20 Year Joined May 19, 2005 Threads 59 Messages 1,733 Location Small Waves, FL Motorist in safety-conscious European countries carry these, sure they are good enough. 97 LX450 (¼ million+ miles) pretty much stock KN4TDR "Very few vehicles in existence can survive neglect as well as a Land Cruiser." cruiserdan "LC's don't wear D Rings on the front--we do the pulling out, we don't get pulled out--got it?" Kevin P.

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10 Year Joined Sep 27, 2012 Threads 270 Messages 3,785 Location Sweetwater, TN (East of Knoxville) Their FAQ states: DOES ELEMENT REQUIRE SERVICE & DOES IT EXPIRE? Element's solid construction, no moving parts, and lack of compressed gas (unlike a traditional fire extinguisher) means it will never need any service or upkeep. In addition the solid chemical that makes up the Element extinguisher has no effective expiration. FAQ Page: Frequently Asked Questions :bounce:

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15 Year Joined Dec 7, 2007 Threads 111 Messages 20,730 Location Medford, OR Same as the FireStryker used in AUS

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10 Year Joined Sep 27, 2012 Threads 270 Messages 3,785 Location Sweetwater, TN (East of Knoxville)

NLXTACY said: Same as the FireStryker used in AUS View attachment 1797437 Click to expand...

Good, bad, other? :bounce:

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Joined Mar 25, 2002 Threads 24 Messages 1,053 Location Kamiah ID Looks like a one use item. So 50 seconds of discharge and go buy another one. So no multiple uses like a trigger operated fire extinguisher. CRUZILA 75 FJ40, DRENGR 95 FZJ80 N

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Dissent said: Good, bad, other? Click to expand...

I’ve never used nor have seen it used. Back when I was researching extinguishers for my FEM this didn’t even come up or else I would have gotten one.

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10 Year Joined Sep 27, 2012 Threads 270 Messages 3,785 Location Sweetwater, TN (East of Knoxville)

NLXTACY said: I’ve never used nor have seen it used. Back when I was researching extinguishers for my FEM this didn’t even come up or else I would have gotten one. Click to expand...

Wonder if this would clear the seat on an LX mounted FEM. :bounce:

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Dissent said: Wonder if this would clear the seat on an LX mounted FEM. Click to expand...

Judging by the photos these are smaller in diameter than typical 3” extinguishers and about the same length. ewillis

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NLXTACY said: Judging by the photos these are smaller in diameter than typical 3” extinguishers and about the same length. Click to expand...

Website says 11.75" long and 1.2" diameter. There's also a snazzy magnetic mount for $15 that would work with the FEM. I'll likely go this route... 1994-3" Dobinson Tapered'd/wits' end'd/ARB'd/Harrop'd/Prinsu'd/DC Fab'd/WK'd/Cruisin'd/LRA 24 Aux'd 2006 GX470 DD and stock...for now JULES That’s what I’ve been sitting here contemplating. First, I’m gonna deliver this case to Marsellus. Then, basically, I’m gonna walk the earth. VINCENT What do you mean, walk the earth? JULES You know, like Caine in “KUNG FU.” Just walk from town to town, meet people, get in adventures.

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10 Year Joined Sep 27, 2012 Threads 270 Messages 3,785 Location Sweetwater, TN (East of Knoxville) That would clear the low electric seat on the LX? I found mounting a plate under the sunroof controls and mounting the extinguisher between the sunroof controls and the sunroof would be handy too. :bounce:

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Dissent said: That would clear the low electric seat on the LX? I found mounting a plate under the sunroof controls and mounting the extinguisher between the sunroof controls and the sunroof would be handy too. Click to expand...

Do you have any pics? 1997 tripple locked LX450, armour, 4:88's, t-case gears, 4 in lift 1977 Celica GT (sold) fj558 longterm build on lx450 chassis, m101cdn Past 4wds: 1985 BJ70, 1985 BJ60, 1990 HZJ73, 1966 Landrover 88, 1970 Landrover lightweight, 1969 3 door landrover 109

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10 Year Joined Sep 27, 2012 Threads 270 Messages 3,785 Location Sweetwater, TN (East of Knoxville)

gofast said: Do you have any pics? Click to expand...

No, just came across it today and imagining where I could mount one I envision a plate mounted under that sunroof control panel sticking out a few inches, just shy of the opening and that would be agreat, out of the way place for one. Thinking about buying a couple. Bummer they aren't refillable but 50 sec runtime is nicer than 3-4 squirts of Halgard at 150% of the price. There's a larger model with longer runtime too. I can't really get a sizable extinguisher up front even with the FEM because my seat would hit it. The LX electric seat is lower than the 80. :bounce:

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10 Year Joined Feb 4, 2015 Threads 67 Messages 2,853 Before spending your money I'd contact NFPA first to see what they think of this type of extinguisher, they pretty much write the fire codes, so if they say it's good to go, then I'd buy it. https://www.nfpa.org/standard_items...&keyword=d981c579-0d48-57f7-a675-3b1ba2231c5c Last edited: Mar 9, 2019 1994 FZJ Land Cruiser, 3 X locked, all stock 2000 Tacoma TRD, 5 speed, rear locker, all stock

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Rifleman said: Before spending your money I'd contact NFPA first to see what they think of this type of extinguisher, they pretty much write the fire codes, so if they say it's go to go, then I'd buy it. https://www.nfpa.org/standard_items...&keyword=d981c579-0d48-57f7-a675-3b1ba2231c5c Click to expand...

I read through a lot of test results from this link and it's fascinating. They don't test Potassium Nitrate (KNO3) which is what Element claims is their extinguishing method. Closest test was Potassium Acetate which is quite different. Seems to be a new product type on the market. From what I've seen Element is affected by wind, just like Halotron, but seems extremely effective based on the videos and independent testing I've seen. Here's a Porsche focused conversation and testing results, the Element company chimed in quite a bit on findings too: Testing Element fire extinguisher - Pelican Parts Forums Here's some technical data about how Element's product works: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/3...tOperationDescription.pdf?9543567154874779486 :bounce:

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15 Year Joined May 6, 2007 Threads 352 Messages 3,413 Location San Juan Puerto Rico Website www.facebook.com For $80.00, better be good. My truck caught fire once, and a $20.00 Kidde A,B,C extinguisher from COSTCO did put it away. I just went and got another one. Unless lack of room in the vehicle is the problem, I dont see why spend $80.00 on something that hopefully you never need to use. Also, did some research and the element is not in the top 5. Maybe is because is so new. If in doubt, go to the fire station, talk to the experts, show them the element and they can give you an unbiased opinion. Blue 76 FJ40 stock, gone in 2000. White 92 FJ80 "El Tractor Dos" :4" Ironman Suspension,Ironman bumper, Superwinch LP10000, BFG KO2 315.75.16. Gray 92 FJ80 aka "La Tractorcita" : ARB bumper. BFG KO2 33.10.50.15. 83 FJ60 "El Tractor "(RIP) 2009 . 2000 Green UZJ100(daughter's) ARB bumper, BFG KO2 275.75.16. alia176

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20 Year Joined Aug 21, 2003 Threads 853 Messages 16,704 Location Tijeras, NM I watched the video and looked like you have to get pretty close to the fire to put it out. Not sure if that's always feasible during a hot fire but good for a small fire that's just starting to catch. The size is nice, for sure. ~Ali~ '96 FZJ80 - Dobinsons 3" springs/Ironman 4x4 foam cell PRO shocks/Whiteline F&R sway bars/315s/locked/4.56s/aired/wired / Witt's End Turbo making the 80 great again. '03 4Runner Sport V8 - 2" lift/Bilstein shocks/Bilstein 6112 coil overs/ICON rear springs/NWTI front+rear bumper/aired/wired '97 4Runner SR5 (daughter's) - springs from 5th gen, mildly lifted, more to come

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jvazquez53 said: For $80.00, better be good. My truck caught fire once, and a $20.00 Kidde A,B,C extinguisher from COSTCO did put it away. I just went and got another one. Unless lack of room in the vehicle is the problem, I dont see why spend $80.00 on something that hopefully you never need to use. Also, did some research and the element is not in the top 5. Maybe is because is so new. If in doubt, go to the fire station, talk to the experts, show them the element and they can give you an unbiased opinion. Click to expand...

Good point but I don't like the caustic yellow powder in my $20 Kidde I have in the truck now. The price point is closer to the Halgard (Halon replacement) which is about $150-200 for comparable capacity but far less run time. It's too new for any lists, just came out in January this year. I don't have much room up front but don't want anything smaller than a 2.5lb with a 5lb backup. I've put a few fires out and those 1lb and 1.5lbs go so quick!

alia176 said: I watched the video and looked like you have to get pretty close to the fire to put it out. Not sure if that's always feasible during a hot fire but good for a small fire that's just starting to catch. The size is nice, for sure. Click to expand...

I read through the responses to those videos on that Porsche site and they said that these require a new approach to fighting fires. Ideally, you'd flood the area slowly and walk in while it gobbles up oxygen. The videos are inexperienced people using the product. Fairly effective given that. Their rep said you light it and slowly approach the fire and it consumes oxygen slowly and eventually creates a no burn area where the fire just has to go out. The Porsche guys chipped in $10 to buy a test unit. I oughtta bring this up to the local club and see if we can do a test fire to see how effective it is.

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10 Year Joined Sep 27, 2012 Threads 270 Messages 3,785 Location Sweetwater, TN (East of Knoxville) One more point for any fire extinguisher, it should be treated just like insurance. We all pay for it but hope we won't need it. Nobody says, "Nah, I'm not paying for it, it's a ripoff!" :bounce:

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