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View Stats: Global Achievements NieR:Automata™ > General Discussions > Topic Details Epithet Lost View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:20pm fate of mankind [spoiler] And I do mean huge spoilers so if you haven't finished playthrough 2 please don't continue.I'm confused about how the resistance are oblivious to the fact that humans are extinct. I say this because in the forest reinforcement mission a guy talks about cooking for the humans once they return, so he still thinks humans existed. Of course it's possible that nobody told him about it, but you would think word about the extinction of mankind would spread pretty fast.The YoRHa created the council of humanity as a bluff, but since YoRHa was only created recently they would not be able to suppress the news from androids on the surface. Last edited by Epithet Lost; 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:38pm < > Showing 1-13 of 13 comments Mepho View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:26pm Humanity has been exctinct for millennia by the time this game takes place in, and androids are shown to have various issues with memory plus they can be rewritten or manipulated.The Pearl Harbor mission also shows "earth-dwelling" androids didn't know about YoRHa in the first place too, so while the game doesn't state any particular reason for the resistance to be oblivious as to mankind's fate, you have plenty to pick to your liking. #1 Epithet Lost View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:38pm

Originally posted by Mepho:Humanity has been exctinct for millennia by the time this game takes place in, and androids are shown to have various issues with memory plus they can be rewritten or manipulated.The Pearl Harbor mission also shows "earth-dwelling" androids didn't know about YoRHa in the first place too, so while the game doesn't state any particular reason for the resistance to be oblivious as to mankind's fate, you have plenty to pick to your liking.

I read the YoRHa archinve entry again and noticed something I didn't the first time. YoRHa simply came out of nowhere and declared to the resistance on Earth that mankind is not extinct but had remnants on the moon. The resistance bought it and that's why they think mankind is not extinct. Last edited by Epithet Lost; 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:49pm #2 Suzaku View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:42pm Anyone that finds out is either immediately told to keep it a secret, have their memory wiped, or executed. Even if they manage to get away, they either stay silent about it, or nobody would believe them. #3 Tawnee Stone View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:43pm The Resistance is not YorHa so they have no knowledge of it and why would they, and since it's such a guarded secret it goes without saying nobody without proper clearance should know about it. When those moon broadcasts started happening I assume that every android would take it at face value because there is no way to tell if it's true or not apart from actually going to the moon. It was literally a morale boosting excercise because androids were giving up due to no motivation of a better future.You can kind of understand this as the media these days shows us what they want to show us to push their own agenda, and most of us take it as the whole truth. For instance, and this is used as a example - 10 killed in a ISIS bombing - Little boy killed in car crash - President Trump does a thing - Sport - Here is a puppy on a skateboard aww how cute - End broadcast. It is extremely disconnected from reality how media and news is shown. Look at all these terrible things that happened, but cheer up here is a cute thing that will make you forget about it! Sorry about the rant but surely you understand how information is controlled and distributed. They don't report the hundreds of thousands of deaths due to America and it's allies bombing muslim countries, just the deaths on our side, as if we aren't terrorists to them and we wonder why so many people hate us. 2E's mission is to literally silence 9S when he learns the truth about humanity to prevent this information leaking out and compromising the mission, but since she is gone there is nobody to stop him. He doesn't tell anybody except A2 in the end because he is on the warpath and has no reason to tell anybody. Last edited by Tawnee Stone; 23 Apr, 2017 @ 8:19pm #4 Epithet Lost View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:44pm

Originally posted by Suzaku:Anyone that finds out is either immediately told to keep it a secret, have their memory wiped, or executed.

By whom? It was never mentioned that the resistance respond to a central command, they were always described as "local resistance". Of course that doesn't disprove the possibility. #5 Big Boom Boom View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 7:21pm

Originally posted by SeniN:

Originally posted by Suzaku:Anyone that finds out is either immediately told to keep it a secret, have their memory wiped, or executed.

By whom? It was never mentioned that the resistance respond to a central command, they were always described as "local resistance". Of course that doesn't disprove the possibility.

By the E type YoRHa, there's a red head E type that you encounter in a sidequest in 2nd playthrough as 9S. #6 Epithet Lost View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 8:07pm

Originally posted by Big Boom Boom:By the E type YoRHa, there's a red head E type that you encounter in a sidequest in 2nd playthrough as 9S.

But we are talking about way before YoRHa existed. Mankind went extinct in the 4200s, YoRHa didn't exist until recently.(I don't remember which sidequest you mean though) Last edited by Epithet Lost; 23 Apr, 2017 @ 8:07pm #7 lPaladinl View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 8:14pm Mankind was extinct before Automata's history even started.The first NieR spoils that part of Automata. #8 Mepho View Profile View Posts 23 Apr, 2017 @ 9:29pm

Originally posted by SeniN:But we are talking about way before YoRHa existed. Mankind went extinct in the 4200s, YoRHa didn't exist until recently.(I don't remember which sidequest you mean though)

That's exactly why it's plausible that "people" don't know much about it. Humanity would be something akin to a legend of the past, and they dwelled on earth so figure this:You are living an empty existence of mere survival figthing against an enemy which you know very little about, for reasons forgotten.Mysterious and powerful "new models" pop out of nowhere and tell you they are from the moon (which you know nothing about except it's there in the sky, basically) where the last remnants of humanity fled sometime in the past.What would you do at that point. Wouldn't you believe them, if anything to restore hope? To give yourself purpose? Last edited by Mepho; 23 Apr, 2017 @ 9:30pm #9 Big Boom Boom View Profile View Posts 24 Apr, 2017 @ 6:35am

Originally posted by SeniN:

Originally posted by Big Boom Boom:By the E type YoRHa, there's a red head E type that you encounter in a sidequest in 2nd playthrough as 9S.

But we are talking about way before YoRHa existed. Mankind went extinct in the 4200s, YoRHa didn't exist until recently.(I don't remember which sidequest you mean though)

What makes people think that all the androids you encountered in game exist in 4200s? For all we know these Devola & Popola could have their memory altered and overwritten by a pair of D&P from 4200s that launched the Replicant data onto the moon. Other than Devola & Popola none of the rest of the androids ever mentioned being that old. #10 khermerker View Profile View Posts 24 Apr, 2017 @ 12:37pm

Originally posted by Mepho:

Originally posted by SeniN:But we are talking about way before YoRHa existed. Mankind went extinct in the 4200s, YoRHa didn't exist until recently.(I don't remember which sidequest you mean though)

That's exactly why it's plausible that "people" don't know much about it. Humanity would be something akin to a legend of the past, and they dwelled on earth so figure this:You are living an empty existence of mere survival figthing against an enemy which you know very little about, for reasons forgotten.Mysterious and powerful "new models" pop out of nowhere and tell you they are from the moon (which you know nothing about except it's there in the sky, basically) where the last remnants of humanity fled sometime in the past.What would you do at that point. Wouldn't you believe them, if anything to restore hope? To give yourself purpose?

Wait a min.. that is ... ok seems kinda possible but... actually if you change some parts of this.. you get god... again.. but well all people that understood the god-humanity thing on plot knowsPD:BTW androids at some point knew that humans were exticnt as a rumor.. and actually they stop to fight and will stop "living".. "all needs something to fight for" Commander before satelite go boom #11 Xoninum View Profile View Posts 24 Apr, 2017 @ 2:13pm

Originally posted by SeniN:And I do mean huge spoilers so if you haven't finished playthrough 2 please don't continue.I'm confused about how the resistance are oblivious to the fact that humans are extinct. I say this because in the forest reinforcement mission a guy talks about cooking for the humans once they return, so he still thinks humans existed. Of course it's possible that nobody told him about it, but you would think word about the extinction of mankind would spread pretty fast.The YoRHa created the council of humanity as a bluff, but since YoRHa was only created recently they would not be able to suppress the news from androids on the surface.

There are no androids left alive to tell the newer models besides Devola and Popola models or at least willing/can remember. The androids are hard wired with the singular task to protect mankind until they have been implanted with a human soul.“Androids literally cannot imagine life without humans which is by design an effective failsafe installed by the humans as a precaution and is always transferred to any new model”. Whereas Devola and Popola units were designed to find a cure for the black scrawl which effected the androids body and find a cure for the White Chlorination Syndrome that was killing all the humans in the first place. The humans would undergo a process called Gestalt that would save the souls of the humans by freeing them from their bodies making them unable to contract W.C.S. then later placing them into a replicant body a.k.a the androids after the cure of the White Chlorination Syndrome was developed. Yonah “from the first game” being the last known specimen of an active gestalt makes her also the last known human because all the other souls had soured and turned into shades. Making them unable to be planted into a host. After the fall of mankind most of the remaining androids did not take the news well. Most like 9S had mental breakdowns and turned volatile, getting themselves killed, while others took their anger out on the remaining Devola and Popola units and rebuilt themselves and built a community. “In a way since the Devola and Popola units were placed in all major cities they could be the reason why all the androids didn’t go insane and could move on. They were punching bags but still..”. Because the androids could not overcome their basic programing the remaining androids took it upon themselves to collect whatever they could find on and about the humans and protect it instead. Resulting in the data base that would soon be moon bound.It was not until the aliens showing up that things had to change. The androids that had survived this long came together to fight the aliens and later to be known as the “Resistance”. The androids of this time were not fighting units and had much the same amount of battle prowess as any ordinary human. They began to make upgrades to themselves, make new models, and create the advanced ground network to combat the alien threat but were out matched. This leads Emil to start cloning himself to give the resistance a chance at a plan to create YoRHa which had an A.I responsible for developing an android model capable of defeating the aliens and protecting the moon base. “I know Emil said that the more he cloned himself the more he forgot about everything that happened but I’m not so sure the Resistance didn’t erase his memory on purpose along with theirs”. The newer models would still be built with the purpose of protecting mankind because of the failsafe program. The Resistances voluntarily erased their memories for self-preservation, they did not know how strong the new units would be but they did know what effect that learning the truth had. They didn’t want to risk a YoRHa unit finding out the truth and going AWOL and destroying them or the moon base. The A.I was programed to keep coming up with newer and more deadly models until the alien threat was gone. Once that happened the A.I would introduce a logic virus that put all units under the A.I’s control so it can either dispose of them or instruct them in making the models that will replace them and then kill them. Leaving the moon base and what is left of mankind to be protected by the android generation that killed the aliens. Sorry for the BIG BANG explanation but to fully understand the answer you have to know the history. lol Last edited by Xoninum; 24 Apr, 2017 @ 2:17pm #12 Mepho View Profile View Posts 24 Apr, 2017 @ 2:52pm

Originally posted by khermerker:Wait a min.. that is ... ok seems kinda possible but... actually if you change some parts of this.. you get god... again.. but well all people that understood the god-humanity thing on plot knowsPD:BTW androids at some point knew that humans were exticnt as a rumor.. and actually they stop to fight and will stop "living".. "all needs something to fight for" Commander before satelite go boom

Well the game encompasses so many philosphical concepts that it's hard to list each and every one (and surely enough I've missed some myself).The "everyone needs a purpose" idea is reinforced multiple times through the game. For resistance members, YoRHa, networked and non-networked machines. And if I remember correctly each time it is invalidated (I.E. it was a deception for YoRHa; a fault for networked machines) and substituted by something new (I.E. breaking the cycle for A2 and 9S; building the ark for networked machines). Those who fail to "renew their purpose", usually because they depend on it completely after making sacrifices towards such purpose, die, kill themselves or ask to be killed.I must admit it is the first time I see a game deal with such themes so well. Those that say this would have only been possible through a game (and not for instance a movie or a book) are imho totally right.The original Nier was something very much alike from what I gathered, but sadly I only watched reviews and lore recaps, never played it myself. #13 < > Showing 1-13 of 13 comments Per page: 1530 50 NieR:Automata™ > General Discussions > Topic Details Date Posted: 23 Apr, 2017 @ 4:20pmPosts: 13 Discussions Rules and Guidelines

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