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Post by Kirmie » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:03 pm

I've seen hay vs grass in FS22 debated before and even tried to look around for that info myself. Figured I should write something up for anybody else interested in the same information.
  • Hay weighs less than grass in both loose and bale form. For loose grass is 300 kg per m3 while hay is 70 kg per m3 making hay ~23.3% of the weight of grass in loose form. For a 180 cm round bales grass is 171.33 kg per m3 while hay is only 54.44 kg per m3 making hay ~31.8% of the weight of grass in bale form. That's a big difference in weight for anything where weight matters.
  • Hay is worth about 20% more per average on hard compared to grass. Specifically I've seen an average of $45 per m3 for grass and $56 per m3 of hay. That's a rather large increase in selling price difference.
  • Grass bales contain less liters than hay bales. For 180 cm round bales grass is 7500 l while hay is 9000 l. That means a 180 cm round bale holds 20% more hay than grass. That means that converting to hay can reduce the total number of bales you would need to create for a field. Making storage and transport easier.
Where this gets really interesting is when you combine those points. The RBM2000 bale loader can hold 24 180 cm round bales and weighs 6.8 t in the default setup. Using the average sell price I've seen that means a fully loaded RBM2000 with grass 180 cm round bales would weigh 38 t and the bales would sell for $8,500. If that same situation was switched to hay the RBM2000 would weigh 18.56 t and sell the hay for $12,096. All in all if you are selling the product and then hay has the downside of needing to be tedded, but makes up for it by both significantly reducing the amount of bales needed to transport when using bales, reducing the weight to make acceleration and handling for transport better, and increasing the value of the product. There are still times where grass will be the better choice, but sometimes it might be worth it to go out of your way for hay. Top ScotsDude73 Posts: 802 Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:18 am

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Post by ScotsDude73 » Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:41 pm

Kirmie wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:03 pm I've seen hay vs grass in FS22 debated before and even tried to look around for that info myself. Figured I should write something up for anybody else interested in the same information.
  • Hay weighs less than grass in both loose and bale form. For loose grass is 300 kg per m3 while hay is 70 kg per m3 making hay ~23.3% of the weight of grass in loose form. For a 180 cm round bales grass is 171.33 kg per m3 while hay is only 54.44 kg per m3 making hay ~31.8% of the weight of grass in bale form. That's a big difference in weight for anything where weight matters.
  • Hay is worth about 20% more per average on hard compared to grass. Specifically I've seen an average of $45 per m3 for grass and $56 per m3 of hay. That's a rather large increase in selling price difference.
  • Grass bales contain less liters than hay bales. For 180 cm round bales grass is 7500 l while hay is 9000 l. That means a 180 cm round bale holds 20% more hay than grass. That means that converting to hay can reduce the total number of bales you would need to create for a field. Making storage and transport easier.
Where this gets really interesting is when you combine those points. The RBM2000 bale loader can hold 24 180 cm round bales and weighs 6.8 t in the default setup. Using the average sell price I've seen that means a fully loaded RBM2000 with grass 180 cm round bales would weigh 38 t and the bales would sell for $8,500. If that same situation was switched to hay the RBM2000 would weigh 18.56 t and sell the hay for $12,096. All in all if you are selling the product and then hay has the downside of needing to be tedded, but makes up for it by both significantly reducing the amount of bales needed to transport when using bales, reducing the weight to make acceleration and handling for transport better, and increasing the value of the product. There are still times where grass will be the better choice, but sometimes it might be worth it to go out of your way for hay.
Cows will be 40% productive at producing milk if fed grass only. 80% if you feed them hay only. 100% if you feed them Total Mixed Ration which hay is a ingredient of making Total Mixed Ration so making the effort to make hay as well as silage is worth it because you will produce more milk. Silage and hay is so easy now we now even have drying and fermenting silos as mods for all platforms. Just dump the grass in and either dry it into hay or ferment it into silage. A feed mixer only requires hay and silage to make TMR. Straw is not really required as for mineral feed I dont see the point. The large cow barn with the mixer requires hay, straw, silage and mineral feed to make TMR. For me the whole point of baling grass is that are meant to be wrapped and fermented into silage bales. The other thing is I make hay and silage to feed animals. IMO feed your animals with it is more beneficial and more profitable when you can take milk and make cheese or butter or make sugar and make chocolate at the dairy. Sheep only require grass. Wool can be spun into fabric and then tailored into clothing resulting in a higher profit. Top Jimbob0704 Posts: 336 Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:55 pm

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Post by Jimbob0704 » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:32 pm

Yeah and that is where it becomes completely unrealistic, cows fed only grass are only 40% effective at producing milk????? That’s complete BS as all the farmers around me only feed cows grass during the summer months, so those figures are way off Owner of YouTube channel FS landscaping https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVa5pA ... kqx5eVXmxw Top vovovo Posts: 53 Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:30 pm

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Post by vovovo » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:48 pm

That's what always bothers me also, fresh grass should have the highest effectiveness Top Illinois Farmer Posts: 4923 Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:34 pm

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Post by Illinois Farmer » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:47 pm

Alfalfa has higher protein levels than grass, so it would more effective. To me, hay is alfalfa with a mixture of some type of grass, Timothy, Kentucky bluegrass, etc. Grass is just grass with no alfalfa. I think the game misses out on stuff by calling dried grass, hay. Jimbob, I would put money on the line that those farmers have a mixture in there, unless they are on pasture. Vovovo, you can wish grass to be the highest effectiveness, but the data doesn't support it. It is a marketing scheme that cows on grass feed only taste better than cows with some corn. Just like black angus taste better than red angus or don't get me started with the lies about gmos. Here is a little date for you: https://extension.unr.edu/publication.a ... nt%20fiber. 1300 acre farm, finish out just about 10,000 hogs a year, 200 cattle, and xbox one and pc user. Top Noraf Posts: 2407 Joined: Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:53 pm Has thanked: 43 times Been thanked: 14 times

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Post by Noraf » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:10 pm

I remember back in the days, you could taste it on the milk when the cows had been released out into the pastures after the winter. Modern productions have changed that :hi: FS25 Bug-tracker - NB! This needs a separate account than to the forum one, as it's a separate system! How to post your log Giants Discord Posting pictures How-to The patches and Bug-tracker blogpost Just remember, if the world didn't su.., we'd all fall of... Top vovovo Posts: 53 Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:30 pm

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Post by vovovo » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:08 pm

I think i have to specify myself. For me, "grass" is anything that's green and grows on the field, since that what it means in my native language. It's more of a general name than something specific, you can point to alfalfa and say, that's grass, you can point to clover and say, that's grass. What i meant by it, was like you said alfalfa mixed with something. Alfalfa mixed with something is what grass means to me :D Top Illinois Farmer Posts: 4923 Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:34 pm

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Post by Illinois Farmer » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:58 pm

vovovo wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:08 pm I think i have to specify myself. For me, "grass" is anything that's green and grows on the field, since that what it means in my native language. It's more of a general name than something specific, you can point to alfalfa and say, that's grass, you can point to clover and say, that's grass. What i meant by it, was like you said alfalfa mixed with something. Alfalfa mixed with something is what grass means to me :D
Yeah that makes sense. Maybe the game thinks that way too, and just separates wet from dry with the word hay. 1300 acre farm, finish out just about 10,000 hogs a year, 200 cattle, and xbox one and pc user. Top chale8 Posts: 168 Joined: Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:49 pm

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Post by chale8 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:24 pm

Kirmie wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:03 pm Grass bales contain less liters than hay bales. For 180 cm round bales grass is 7500 l while hay is 9000 l. That means a 180 cm round bale holds 20% more hay than grass. That means that converting to hay can reduce the total number of bales you would need to create for a field. Making storage and transport easier.
This I take exception to, a litre is a measure of volume, two objects of identical physical size cannot have different volumes. I'm totally happy with a 180cm hay bale being lighter than a 180cm grass bale but in terms of litres they're going to be the same and it's nonsensical to pretend otherwise. What were Giants thinking here? Top Illinois Farmer Posts: 4923 Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:34 pm

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Post by Illinois Farmer » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:40 pm

That's not exactly true. The hay bale is more because you can compress more or fit more into it than a wet grass. Take two cups, fill one with a bunch of m&ms and the other stuff with a couple feathers. They both fit into the cup, but take a different amount to fill the cup up. 1300 acre farm, finish out just about 10,000 hogs a year, 200 cattle, and xbox one and pc user. Top Mwal Posts: 3270 Joined: Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:59 pm

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Post by Mwal » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:53 pm

chale8 wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:24 pm This I take exception to, a litre is a measure of volume, two objects of identical physical size cannot have different volumes. I'm totally happy with a 180cm hay bale being lighter than a 180cm grass bale but in terms of litres they're going to be the same and it's nonsensical to pretend otherwise. What were Giants thinking here?
Imagine it’s the measurement of the volume of what went into the bale and what will come out when you cut it open, that’s actually the measurement you’re reading on screen, the loose volume. Top chale8 Posts: 168 Joined: Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:49 pm

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Post by chale8 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:00 pm

Mwal wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:53 pm
chale8 wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:24 pm This I take exception to, a litre is a measure of volume, two objects of identical physical size cannot have different volumes. I'm totally happy with a 180cm hay bale being lighter than a 180cm grass bale but in terms of litres they're going to be the same and it's nonsensical to pretend otherwise. What were Giants thinking here?
Imagine it’s the measurement of the volume of what went into the bale and what will come out when you cut it open, that’s actually the measurement you’re reading on screen, the loose volume.
OK loose volume makes it make sense, I was thinking in terms of the volume of the bale itself. Top deerefarm Posts: 611 Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:08 pm Location: Canada Contact: Contact deerefarm

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Post by deerefarm » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:19 am

Illinois Farmer wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:40 pm That's not exactly true. The hay bale is more because you can compress more or fit more into it than a wet grass. Take two cups, fill one with a bunch of m&ms and the other stuff with a couple feathers. They both fit into the cup, but take a different amount to fill the cup up.
Thanks now all I want are some M&M's :biggrin2: You can keep the cup of feathers regardless of what they weigh. Have been playing FS since FS 2011 came out and still going strong. *thumbsup* Check out Dairy Air Farms https://www.youtube.com/c/DairyAirFarms Top Illinois Farmer Posts: 4923 Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:34 pm

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Post by Illinois Farmer » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:40 pm

I had some m&m's last night with popcorn ha. 1300 acre farm, finish out just about 10,000 hogs a year, 200 cattle, and xbox one and pc user. Top dwight44b Posts: 8 Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:40 pm

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Post by dwight44b » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:12 am

ScotsDude73 wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:41 pm
Kirmie wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:03 pm I've seen hay vs grass in FS22 debated before and even tried to look around for that info myself. Figured I should write something up for anybody else interested in the same information.
  • Hay weighs less than grass in both loose and bale form. For loose grass is 300 kg per m3 while hay is 70 kg per m3 making hay ~23.3% of the weight of grass in loose form. For a 180 cm round bales grass is 171.33 kg per m3 while hay is only 54.44 kg per m3 making hay ~31.8% of the weight of grass in bale form. That's a big difference in weight for anything where weight matters.
  • Hay is worth about 20% more per average on hard compared to grass. Specifically I've seen an average of $45 per m3 for grass and $56 per m3 of hay. That's a rather large increase in selling price difference.
  • Grass bales contain less liters than hay bales. For 180 cm round bales grass is 7500 l while hay is 9000 l. That means a 180 cm round bale holds 20% more hay than grass. That means that converting to hay can reduce the total number of bales you would need to create for a field. Making storage and transport easier.
Where this gets really interesting is when you combine those points. The RBM2000 bale loader can hold 24 180 cm round bales and weighs 6.8 t in the default setup. Using the average sell price I've seen that means a fully loaded RBM2000 with grass 180 cm round bales would weigh 38 t and the bales would sell for $8,500. If that same situation was switched to hay the RBM2000 would weigh 18.56 t and sell the hay for $12,096. All in all if you are selling the product and then hay has the downside of needing to be tedded, but makes up for it by both significantly reducing the amount of bales needed to transport when using bales, reducing the weight to make acceleration and handling for transport better, and increasing the value of the product. There are still times where grass will be the better choice, but sometimes it might be worth it to go out of your way for hay.
Cows will be 40% productive at producing milk if fed grass only. 80% if you feed them hay only. 100% if you feed them Total Mixed Ration which hay is a ingredient of making Total Mixed Ration so making the effort to make hay as well as silage is worth it because you will produce more milk. Silage and hay is so easy now we now even have drying and fermenting silos as mods for all platforms. Just dump the grass in and either dry it into hay or ferment it into silage. A feed mixer only requires hay and silage to make TMR. Straw is not really required as for mineral feed I dont see the point. The large cow barn with the mixer requires hay, straw, silage and mineral feed to make TMR. For me the whole point of baling grass is that are meant to be wrapped and fermented into silage bales. The other thing is I make hay and silage to feed animals. IMO feed your animals with it is more beneficial and more profitable when you can take milk and make cheese or butter or make sugar and make chocolate at the dairy. Sheep only require grass. Wool can be spun into fabric and then tailored into clothing resulting in a higher profit.
I just been feeding cows mod ready made tmr from bag pallets. Zero production with that,, so do hay bails and silage only then is straw required separately that's for there bedding right i don't see straw being used. It says pigs can be sold for profit how so let them age for a while? As for sheep just feed them hay bails then? Top 17 posts 1 2 Post Reply
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