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03-31-2018, 03:51 AM
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The Batlord Zum Henker Defätist!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Beating GNR at DDR and keying Axl's new car Posts: 48,199
Classic rock bores = hair metal bores Apparently. __________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
03-31-2018, 03:54 AM
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grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201
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Originally Posted by The Batlord Classic rock bores = hair metal bores Apparently.
It's funny how every few months some guy comes on here just bursting from anger about how some lame boring music apparently got killed by some newer lame boring music. I like the touch of conspiracy theory in this one though. __________________ A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.
03-31-2018, 04:02 AM
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Nick1976 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 151
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Originally Posted by grindy It's funny how every few months some guy comes on here just bursting from anger about how some lame boring music apparently got killed by some newer lame boring music. I like the touch of conspiracy theory in this one though.
Today, in 2018, rock songs almost never get anywhere close to the top 10, whereas from the 70s to about 1993, hard rock regularly topped the charts. It's an incredible failure to market the music. And it wasn't really too little, too late. In the middle of the grunge era, freakin' Meat Loaf managed to have one of the biggest albums of the year and a #1 hit. There was still demand for melodic rock. So what if the kids were only interested in alternative? SOMEONE was buying melodic rock CDs, and requesting them on MTV. The demand didn't dry up, the supply did. So what ended up happening is that almost every melodic rock fan just went back to their old CD and tape collection and gave up on new music. I'm sure most of you have dealt with this before, a metalhead who listens to Iron Maiden and Megadeth and Metallica, but as hard as you try, you can barely convince him to try listening to something new, because he gave up on new music 20 years ago! I only focus on it because I'm wondering what MTV and the labels were thinking. There was no reason to stop playing traditional hard rock, but they did it with only a few exceptions. It's very unusual behavior for the industry to just summarily end what worked for 20 years and then switch to something totally different. And although it isn't written about much, I think they did realize their mistake, because around 1998 we resumed what I'd consider a normal evolution of the pop music industry. Hanson, N'Sync, Britney, and the Backstreet Boys came out, and all of a sudden the industry realized, "Hey, they still do love shallow, happy, poppy, sugary pop!" That 1992-1996 period is just such an aberration, it's as if the whole music industry and quite a few fans went insane for no particular reason, rejecting everything that had come before and becoming totally devoted to what became a pretty short fad. Grunge didn't just lead to the death of hair metal. It led to the death of melodic hard rock and heavy metal in general, at least for a decade, and took hard rock from a widely popular and diverse fanbase to a niche market.
03-31-2018, 04:09 AM
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Nick1976 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 151
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Originally Posted by Maajo So was hair metal, and metal then lol. If you can say grunge is classic rock revival, then you can say it for any rock genre pretty much. Also, the bands that represent the genre are diverse whether you're willing to admit it or not. Nirvana draws a lot of influence from post-punk and 60s garage, Soundgarden is most influenced by 70s rock like Led Zeppelin, and Alice In Chains sounds like if you mashed Guns N Roses style song writing and musicianship with the slowed down gritty metal of Black Sabbath or The Melvins. Eventually they all sounded like Pearl Jam, but before that there was some decent variety.
Personally, i don't consider GNR hair metal. Even though they came out of that scene and might have looked like a hair metal band at first, musically, they took more inspiration from blues and punk as opposed to pop and glam that many hair metal bands featured in their music. lyrically, i think they were more sophisticated than any hair metal group, and Axl is a much better singer than any hair metal group. So because of these reasons, i think that GNR is hard rock, not hair metal in which they are commonly categorized as. what do you think? The narrative, largely created and driven hard by rock critics, that grunge killed hair metal is a complete myth. Many of those bands were already on their death bed, and bands like Guns N' Roses, Def Leppard and Bon Jovi still did well after grunge exploded. And what's great is that hair metal has aged well as a fun part of rock history, while grunge, by and large, died a quick death, and ended up having no more than a handful of bands that are still looked fondly upon. Iron Maiden to me, is one of THOSE bands that fills multiple musical needs for me. Metal, melody, and prog are all filled out in one convenient British package. I have enormous respect for that band. They have held up remarkably well through the years, never becoming caricatures of themselves. Their material may have aged better than Priest.
03-31-2018, 04:10 AM
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03-31-2018, 04:13 AM
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The Batlord Zum Henker Defätist!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Beating GNR at DDR and keying Axl's new car Posts: 48,199
You sound like you have very shallow taste in music. Plenty of metal after grunge hit. And do not sully the name of Britney with your heathen tongue. __________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
03-31-2018, 04:14 AM
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grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201
__________________ A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.
Originally Posted by The Batlord You sound like you have very shallow taste in music. Plenty of metal after grunge hit. And do not sully the name of Britney with your heathen tongue.
Absolutely. If anything, metal mutated and branched off into a thousand different directions during the 90's. A very important decade for getting to the wealth of metal and related styles we can enjoy now.
03-31-2018, 09:07 AM
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Neapolitan carpe musicam Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Les Barricades Mystérieuses Posts: 7,710
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Originally Posted by The Batlord You sound like you have very shallow taste in music. Plenty of metal after grunge hit. And do not sully the name of Britney with your heathen tongue.
It is spelt "Britny Fox," Mr. grammar Nazi. __________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by mord Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.
"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº? “I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac. “If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle. "If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon "I look for ambiguity when I'm writing because life is ambiguous." Keith Richards
03-31-2018, 10:01 AM
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Nick1976 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 151
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Originally Posted by MicShazam Absolutely. If anything, metal mutated and branched off into a thousand different directions during the 90's. A very important decade for getting to the wealth of metal and related styles we can enjoy now.
Heavy metal over it's 50 years of existence has branched out into many sub genres. But Metal is falling. After 50 years it has become nothing but distortion and screaming about death, sex and anti-religion. This is pathetic. And so metal is decaying and falling to pop music. Unless the next generation of heavy metal musicians have something NEW! to offer the genre it's going to become a thing of the past. The metal we hear today has no distinct qualities. It's just this band trying to be as good as all the other bands, and so they end up sounding almost the same. There's no creativity involved. This saddens me to see metal die. I want to be able to enjoy newer music. But I can't unless new bands actually offer something original.
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