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mixing ammonia + peroxide together

Discussion in 'Skulls and Skeletons' started by ace man, Jul 13, 2007.

1. Jul 13, 2007 #1

   ace man New Member

   1,080 1 U.s.A

   any body ever mix ammonia and peroxide together, i did this recently and am amazed at how much better it worked,its like by mixing em' seems to boost the cleaning power of both chemicals and the peroxide didn't wear out as fast as it does when i use it straight . i put a dirty dark raccoon skeleton in within 2 days it was super clean and really bright white.seemed so fast, before when using just peroxide it would take alot longer to whiten and i would always have to change out the peroxide a few times.

2. Jul 13, 2007 #2

   Becky P One must believe the glass is half full.

   15,352 5 Waco,Texas

   Is it safe to mix???

3. Jul 13, 2007 #3

   weasel New Member

   2,151 2 HBT Oklahoma (State champs 08)

   what....I have never changed a skull out of peroxide even watered down 3% always before 2 day it was white as it was getting but i've been haveing some grease issues so i may try a little of this.

4. Jul 13, 2007 #4

   weasel New Member

   2,151 2 HBT Oklahoma (State champs 08)

   also i think wacbravo said within either liek 36 or 48 hours its as white as your getting.

5. Jul 13, 2007 #5

   bulldog4949 "Mounting your Memories"

   5,473 4 TEXAS

   Never tried mixing them together. I wil have to give it a try. And you are talking about whitening right? Not degreasing!! Some people may get confused!! ;D

6. Jul 13, 2007 #6

   cyclone Posts: 400001

   4,365 712 West Virginia

   You might want to state the concentrations that you are using. Ammonia, ammonium hydroxide, is not compatable with strong oxidizers...Hydrogen peroxide is a strong oxidizer. If you are mixing 3% peroxide with over the counter strength ammonia you may not have problems. If someone should mix the higher concentrations of peroxide available with stronger ammonia , you might just get a boom! When you mess with the higher concentrations of peroxides, you are really playing around with rocket science! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide (scroll to "USE AS PROPELLANT") I wouldn't be all that surprised to find that your skull degrades severly as a result. an excerpt from the msds: MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET Ammonium Hydroxide Solution VAPOR DENSITY (air = 1.0): 0.596 @ 60F (NH3 gas) EVAPORATION RATE: <1 COMPARED TO: Ether % VOLATILES: 100 FLASH POINT: Not flammable (Flash point method and additional flammability data are found in Section 5.) 10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY NORMALLY STABLE? (CONDITIONS TO AVOID): Stable under normal conditions. Heat releases NH3 gas without violence in the absence of incompatible materials. INCOMPATIBILITIES: Strong oxidizers, including halogens. Acids: hydrochloric, hydrofluoric, nitric and sulfuric. Also reacts with acrolein, acrylic acid, dimethyl sulfate, gold, silver nitrate, silver oxide, silver oxide plus ethyl alcohol, hypochlorites of calcium or sodium, mercury, propylene oxide, iodine.

7. Jul 14, 2007 #7

   weasel New Member

   2,151 2 HBT Oklahoma (State champs 08)

   LOL if someones useing 70–98+% peroxide to whiten they are melting skulls........

8. Jul 14, 2007 #8

   ace man New Member

   1,080 1 U.s.A

   just mixed about 5o/5o regular ammonia and 3% peroxide really worked great at degreasing and super whitening with real speedy results , give it a try you should see a difference

9. Jul 14, 2007 #9

   Pete E New Member

   96 2

   As Cyclone said, this sort of thing can be *very* dangerous. For instance the two key ingredients which featured in the London tube bombs of a couple of years back was a mix of Hydrogen Peroxide and Acetone, two chemicals commonly mentioned on these forums. The resulting explosive from this mix is known as TATP, is extremely unstable and rose to fame as the material of choice for the Muslim Suicide Bombers in various places around the world. In fact as Hydroxide Peroxide is such a strong oxidizer it is an ingredient of a number of different DIY explosives..One of the common aspects is that the mixing temperature is often critical ie it often needs to be mixed over a bed of ice so that the resulting chemicals are at least reasonably stable and don't explode during production... I doubt 3% Hydrogen Peroxide would explode as such, but in some circumstances it might react violently enough to end up in your eyes or covering your face ect... Other fairly common household chemicals can also be dangerous when mixed..some give off chlorine gas when combined, which is pretty nasty stuff and could be fatal in a confined area, so it pays to be very careful with this DIY sinktop chemistry...

10. Jul 14, 2007 #10

    joeym Old Murphey

    15,570 14,057 Chunky, Mississippi

    Good advice Pete E. When I was a kid, there were instances of women being killed by cyanide from mixing toilet bowl cleaners. I'm not sure which ones. Randomly mixing chemicals is a recipe for disaster.

11. Jul 14, 2007 #11

    booker81 New Member

    308 0 MI

    FWIW ammonia and bleach is your standard DIY chlorine gas accident waiting to happen. It ain't pretty.

12. Jul 14, 2007 #12

    Kastaway Taxidermist, Pioneer of Freeze Drying 1969

    1,199 113 Bedford, Ohio

    I have been using 35% peroxide, but when I went to get another 55 gal drum, they only had 50%. I needed to do a bison skull, soaked it for only 2 hours and was great!. Wondered if I should cut it, and if so, can I use city tap water. How much? I know it needs special care for it is very powerful if it will do a large bison skull that quick.

13. Jul 14, 2007 #13

    booker81 New Member

    308 0 MI

    Did you read the peroxide article in the lastest breakthrough mag? Your post sounds just like the beginning of it....

14. Jul 14, 2007 #14

    George The older I get, the better I was.

    35,014 6,142 Magnolia, Delaware

    I just saw this post and was just about to start screaming when I saw that LUCKILY, Cyclone had already responded. I have to admit, it never ceases to amaze me the number of taxidermists who insist on playing with chemicals without a freaking CLUE as to the dangers they're exposing themselves AND THEIR FAMILIES to. Things so mundane as dry ice placed in a sealed container or pouring baking soda into vinegar can create explosive reactions. Some of you people need a wake-up call.

15. Jul 14, 2007 #15

    Becky P One must believe the glass is half full.

    15,352 5 Waco,Texas

    I didn't think it was safe, that's why I questioned it. And after seeing that article in Breakthrough, my peroxiding went outside. I was looking around the shop and saw all these metal thingies that could just jump off into the peroxide and I'd never know 'til it was too late.

16. Jul 14, 2007 #16

    hampshire New Member

    4,480 0 Lumberton, TX

    If you ever see what peroxide in its pure state can do you will never look at it the same. One of the refineries at Chocolate Bayou (can't mention the name) makes peroxide. It is processed just as liqioud oxygen. Pure sealed enviornment never open to the air until it is diluted. They had a dip shizit put some on his hand it ate it to the bone.

17. Jul 14, 2007 #17

    mk -30 below

    3,784 2 IL

    George said:

    I just saw this post and was just about to start screaming when I saw that LUCKILY, Cyclone had already responded. I have to admit, it never ceases to amaze me the number of taxidermists who insist on playing with chemicals without a freaking CLUE as to the dangers they're exposing themselves AND THEIR FAMILIES to. Things so mundane as dry ice placed in a sealed container or pouring baking soda into vinegar can create explosive reactions. Some of you people need a wake-up call.Click to expand...

    george good thing people post up things instead of calling others on the phone that way others can scrutinize wether it is safe or not. i think you know the post i was talking about with that whole laurier thing.

18. Jul 14, 2007 #18

    Old Fart Active Member

    4,948 8 Minnesota

    And people wonder why it's hard to get insurance for a taxidermy shop.......If I worked as an insurance agent, I know I wouldn't touch em either.

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