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• Start date Apr 5, 2011
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HistoryCurious

Joined Mar 2011 42 Posts | 0+ Last edited by a moderator: Apr 6, 2011 After several months of being on the computer I find it quite bizarre the amount of bullcrap that is posted on the internet about one of the most known men in history whether you like him or dislike the guy. When growing up I always heard myths about Hitler wanting only blonde hair and blue eyed people which is totally inaccurate and wrong because anybody can put two and two together and realise your hair and eye colour does not determine your race and he wanted a pure "Aryan race" which was Nordic Northern European people regardless of hair or eye colour. Myths about Adolf Hitler which I've came across ; 1) He was Jewish or half Jewish or part-Jewish - totally wrong and an urban myth which several historians have proven to be lies. Ian Kershaw being one of the main people who focus specifically on Hitler. Here's what we know: "Hitler's paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, gave birth to Alois, Hitler's father, in 1837. She was 42 and unmarried at the time and apparently never revealed the father's identity. Five years later she married Johann Georg Hiedler or Hitler (spelling was a bit casual in those days). But Alois kept the surname Schicklgruber until he was 39 years old. In 1876 a new baptismal certificate was issued declaring that Alois's stepfather J.G. Hiedler was in fact his real father. By this time both Maria and J.G. were dead. Why the name change so late in the day nobody really knows, but there is speculation that Alois did it so he could come into an inheritance. At any rate, few researchers today believe J.G. was really Alois's father. Now for the weird stuff. After the war Hitler's former lawyer, Hans Frank, claimed that Adolf told him in 1930 that one of his relatives was trying to blackmail him by threatening to reveal his alleged Jewish ancestry. Hitler asked Frank to find out the facts. Frank says he determined that at the time Maria Schicklgruber gave birth to Alois, she was working as a household cook in the town of Graz. Her employers were a Jewish family named Frankenberger, who had a 19-year-old son. The son, according to Frank, was Alois's father and Hitler's grandfather--which would make the man who inspired the Holocaust one-quarter Jewish. Frank's allegations have vexed historians ever since. The distinguished Hitler scholar Werner Maser was so irritated he claimed Frank made the whole thing up. Others think Frank was telling the truth but that the research he did for Hitler was faulty. It turns out that all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until the 1860s; what's more, so far as can be determined, Maria Schicklgruber never lived in Graz. Frank's source for the Frankenberger yarn was a distant relation of Hitler's, who supposedly had letters exchanged by the Frankenbergers and Maria Schicklgruber. (It's claimed they gave her child support.) But neither the relative nor the letters have ever surfaced, and chances are it's all a crock. So who really was Hitler's grandfather? Werner Maser thinks it was the brother of his legal grandfather, one Johann Nepomuk Hiedler. But that's not all. J. Nepomuk was also the grandfather of Klara Poelzl, Hitler's mom. In other words, J.N. was both Adolph's paternal grandfather and his maternal great-grandfather. I'm not about to tell you any of this was the proximate cause of Hitler's persecution of the Jews, his suicide, or anything else. Still, if you believe Maser, not only was Hitler twisted, so was his family tree." Source: The Straight Dope: Was Hitler part Jewish? These new "DNA results" say likely not proven - 'Hitler was descended from Jews and Africans' DNA tests reveal | Mail Online 2) He had brown eyes - wrong - Adolf Hitler had absolute gorgeous blue eyes. http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/281234-2/ww2+photos+045 Table of Contents: Hitler's Face - Quote from it - He had really big, deep blue eyes, eyes like Fredrick the Great must have had 3) He was not very tall - wrong - Adolf Hitler was 5'8 or 5'9 which back then and even now but more so back then is considered a healthy average male. 4) Hitler had a sexual relationship with his niece, now this is speculated but has never been proven but people call him a pervert, paedophile, nonce which is outrageous. 5) Hitler was a homosexual, wrong Hitler was far from a homosexual and persecuted them. - It has never been proven but speculated. Myth of Hitler/Nazi extermination of homosexuals 6) Adolf Hitler - was he German? Well in the Nationality sense up until 1925 he was Austrian, but he was ethnically German because from an ethnic point of view Austrians are Germans and before the creation of the German Empire in 1871 Austrians were seen as Germans like Bavarians, Prussians, Hessians, etc etc but now have made this miracle of claiming Mozart was Austrian not German when he even called himself German and referred to Germany as his Fatherland and his birthplace was not even part of Austria when he was born, everybody with common sense and a little bit of history know Austrians are Germans for God sake Austria was one of the top German states until 1866 when Prussia kicked them out of Germany against Austria's wishes. Anybody know any other untrue false myths?

Nietzsche

Joined Mar 2011 159 Posts | 0+ New York Sounds like we got a fan here... 1) His grandmother was in fact Jewish. Which can be proven in his journals he wrote while in prison. I believe the quote was, "The thought of it makes me sick, to think i am impure" (Or something like that) 2) He had himself drawn to have blue eyes because that was his idea of a "perfect race" (Blond hair + Blue eyes) He in fact had brown hair and brown eyes. Just like his mother. 3) He was shorter than average, hence why he wore high heeled boots which can be seen on him in almost all of his appearances, also why he stood on a much taller than usual platform while giving his speeches. 4) Wouldn't suprise me. 5) Wouldn't suprise me either. H

HistoryCurious

Joined Mar 2011 42 Posts | 0+

Nietzsche said: Sounds like we got a fan here... 1) His grandmother was in fact Jewish. Which can be proven in his journals he wrote while in prison. I believe the quote was, "The thought of it makes me sick, to think i am impure" (Or something like that) 2) He had himself drawn to have blue eyes because that was his idea of a "perfect race" (Blond hair + Blue eyes) He in fact had brown hair and brown eyes. Just like his mother. 3) He was shorter than average, hence why he wore high heeled boots which can be seen on him in almost all of his appearances, also why he stood on a much taller than usual platform while giving his speeches. 4) Wouldn't suprise me. 5) Wouldn't suprise me either. Click to expand...

Totally wrong he never once mentioned his grandmother being Jewish he never had an ounce of Jewish in him and from an ethnic point he was pure German. Also the rumour is his grandfather was Jewish not his grandmother so you're already making yourself look dumb... He did have blue eyes which has been documented by many many historians and people who were/are alive after WW2 and met him, show me sources he had brown eyes. Only thing brown he had was hair. He was not shorter than average, he was born in 1889, 5'8/9 at that time was normal.

Nietzsche

Joined Mar 2011 159 Posts | 0+ New York

HistoryVeteran said: Totally wrong he never once mentioned his grandmother being Jewish he never had an ounce of Jewish in him and from an ethnic point he was pure German. He did have blue eyes which has been documented by many many historians and people who were/are alive after WW2 and met him, show me sources he had brown eyes. Only thing brown he had was hair. He was not shorter than average, he was born in 1889, 5'8/9 at that time was normal. Click to expand...

"Documented by many historians" - Now how reliable are those "Historians". When Hitler was in power if we wanted Germany to think he was 7'9'' it would have been "documented" that way. If Hitler wanted people to believe that the sky was purple it would have been "documented" that way. And all other documentations that said otherwise would be burned and the authors shot on sight. The fact that they met him proves the point i'm making due to the fact that what he said was law. (As i'm sure they were fans of him as well) He was ashamed of his height, otherwise he would not have worn high heels in all public gatherings. Even though he still was still shorter than many of the men/women he would greet. This can be clearly seen in any footage of him. "Only thing brown he had was hair." - I think you forgot to mention the s*** stain above his upper lip. A

Adalwulf

Joined Mar 2011 211 Posts | 0+ Hitler had ''steel blue eyes'' which can be accounted for by tons of eye witnesses. Joseph Goebbels (Nazi propaganda advertiser) even wrote this in his personal diary. He said something to the effect that Adolf's blue eyes always felt like they were looking right through your soul.

Nietzsche

Joined Mar 2011 159 Posts | 0+ New York Well since the Nazi Propaganda Advertiser Joseph Goebbels said it then it must be reliable. I mean i would trust both. *insert obvious sarcasm here* A

Adalwulf

Joined Mar 2011 211 Posts | 0+ What would he have to gain from lying about it, when a ton of people had the opportunity to verify it for truth. Hmm... that makes a lot of sense.

Nietzsche

Joined Mar 2011 159 Posts | 0+ New York Haha why would i lie, a murderer pig doesn't even deserve someone to lie about him. A

Adalwulf

Joined Mar 2011 211 Posts | 0+ You don't even understand do you... Why would Goebbels purposely lie, when everyone living in NS Germany could make this distinction on their own. Anyone with half a brain could realize it would damage his steady propaganda machine...

Nietzsche

Joined Mar 2011 159 Posts | 0+ New York He would lie as to raise Hitlers tarnished self-image. Even though he couldn't accept the fact that he himself "The Almighty Fuhrer" was Jewish. When we all realize what he was, a coward. Oh and this... And on that note i bid you Auf Wiedersehen. Have a good night. M

mingming

Joined Feb 2011 4,742 Posts | 19+ Los Santos, San Andreas Blue eyes and blonde hair. H

HistoryCurious

Joined Mar 2011 42 Posts | 0+

Nietzsche said: "Documented by many historians" - Now how reliable are those "Historians". When Hitler was in power if we wanted Germany to think he was 7'9'' it would have been "documented" that way. If Hitler wanted people to believe that the sky was purple it would have been "documented" that way. And all other documentations that said otherwise would be burned and the authors shot on sight. The fact that they met him proves the point i'm making due to the fact that what he said was law. (As i'm sure they were fans of him as well) He was ashamed of his height, otherwise he would not have worn high heels in all public gatherings. Even though he still was still shorter than many of the men/women he would greet. This can be clearly seen in any footage of him. "Only thing brown he had was hair." - I think you forgot to mention the s*** stain above his upper lip. Click to expand...

So because you don't like the guy you have to mock him? He wasn't Jewish neither it is speculated and never been proven. Historians have no reason to lie it's their life because by your definition then people who claim Hitler was Jewish are also just ordinary people and want people to believe it Two can play that game... Wow you have to sink that low to insult his tash? Just because you don't agree or personally like the bloke doesn't mean you have to insult him. Wear heels? No he wore military boots and he wasn't ashamed of his height he was in perfect good height and was not ashamed of it. Stating facts doesn't necessarily mean you support him, stop running before you can walk. A

Adalwulf

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HistoryCurious

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mingming said: Blue eyes and blonde hair. Click to expand...

No brown hair and blue eyes as seen, why do people dispute his eye colour? M

mingming

Joined Feb 2011 4,742 Posts | 19+ Los Santos, San Andreas Are you colorblind? Does that look like blue to you? As for his Jewish ancestry, your own source proves it. READ THE TITLE: 'Hitler was descended from Jews and Africans' DNA tests reveal | Mail Online 'Hitler was descended from Jews and Africans' DNA tests reveal | Mail Online H

HistoryCurious

Joined Mar 2011 42 Posts | 0+

mingming said: Are you colorblind? Does that look like blue to you? As for his Jewish ancestry, your own source proves it. READ THE TITLE: 'Hitler was descended from Jews and Africans' DNA tests reveal | Mail Online 'Hitler was descended from Jews and Africans' DNA tests reveal | Mail Online Click to expand...

Pictures are deceiving, it is well known Hitler's eyes are blue. That is also the title of the article the first sentence - Adolf Hitler is likely to have been descended from both Jews and Africans, according to DNA tests. That doesn't prove a single thing...also the guy earlier on said his grandmother was Jewish, the rumour is his grandfather was Jewish, nice contradiction. A

Adalwulf

Joined Mar 2011 211 Posts | 0+ mingming, you clearly do not know the first thing about DNA haplogroups. A person of Scandinavian or British ancestry could have haplogroups matching someone in Asia, with no blood correlation whatsoever. The groupings are just that diverse. M

mingming

Joined Feb 2011 4,742 Posts | 19+ Los Santos, San Andreas

HistoryVeteran said: Pictures are deceiving, it is well known Hitler's eyes are blue. Click to expand...

There, you said it yourself. Give me some evidence to prove his eye color was blue. Don't give me works from his time unless they were written by foreigners.

That is also the title of the article the first sentence - Adolf Hitler is likely to have been descended from both Jews and Africans, according to DNA tests. That doesn't prove a single thing...also the guy earlier on said his grandmother was Jewish, the rumour is his grandfather was Jewish, nice contradiction. Click to expand...

Your source itself is contradictory. You say Hitler was not descended from Jews yet you post an article saying he is. The fact is, this article has clear, scientific, and tested facts that proves he descended from Jews. DNA taken from his relatives point to Jewish blood then unless he was adopted, he must have Jewish blood as well so it does indeed prove something. I have yet to see you offer any evidence against this. M

mingming

Joined Feb 2011 4,742 Posts | 19+ Los Santos, San Andreas

Adalwulf said: mingming, you clearly do not know the first thing about DNA haplogroups. A person of Scandinavian or British ancestry could have haplogroups matching someone in Asia, with no blood correlation whatsoever. The groupings are just that diverse. Click to expand...

And you do? We have nearly identical genetic makeup to monkeys too. According to the evolution theory, we evolved from apes so of course there would be similarities. If scientists endorse this then they must have their reasons. Why don't you argue this with them?

oshron

Joined Jun 2009 3,692 Posts | 3+ western Terranova

HistoryVeteran said: So because you don't like the guy you have to mock him? Click to expand...

hitler opened himself up to mockery when he attacked countries unprovoked, ordered the deaths of over six million people, lost his war, and then committed suicide why, exactly, do you defend him, though? im not trying to accuse you of neo-nazism or being a racist in any way, shape, or form; im just curious

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