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Necromancer

• Thread starter Gutavulfus
• Start date Jul 10, 2012

Gutavulfus

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Location: Romae What is the latin word to "necromancer" (or related)? "Umbra profunda sumus, ne nos vexetis, inepti. Non vos, sed doctos tam grave quaerit opus."

Ianus

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I'm not at the point in my latin where I feel confident giving advice, so I won't suggest a translation that I know will be far inferior to those of others. I just wanted to ask if you're looking for a translation that carries the modern idea of someone who brings back the dead and controls them, or if you're looking for the older meaning of someone who summons the dead for communication.

Gutavulfus

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Location: Romae

Ianus dixit: I'm not at the point in my latin where I feel confident giving advice, so I won't suggest a translation that I know will be far inferior to those of others. I just wanted to ask if you're looking for a translation that carries the modern idea of someone who brings back the dead and controls them, or if you're looking for the older meaning of someone who summons the dead for communication. Click to expand...

The older meaning of someone who summons the dead for communication . "Umbra profunda sumus, ne nos vexetis, inepti. Non vos, sed doctos tam grave quaerit opus."

Ianus

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I just noticed you said "to necromancer." Are you looking for a verb or a noun. As far as a noun goes, my dictionary suggests you render by a phrase such as Qui animas mortuorum excitat. The sages of this board will have more useful advice than my dictionary though.

Gutavulfus

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Location: Romae Thank you for the response, Ianus! I'm looking for the noun form. ^^ How the ancient romans called their "necromancers"? "Umbra profunda sumus, ne nos vexetis, inepti. Non vos, sed doctos tam grave quaerit opus." A

Adrian

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Silva Iunior dixit: Thank you for the response, Ianus! I'm looking for the noun form. ^^ How the ancient romans called their "necromancers"? Click to expand...

"Necromancy sensu stricto" was not known to ancient romans (at least from the historical sources I read). The first mentions about "necromancy" come from medieval and early-renaissance sources. Words necyomantia/necromantia/nigromantia - late, post-classical/ecclesiastical/early renaissance latin(derrived from greek νεκρομαντεία (nekromanteía), meaning necromancy; bringing dead to life. I olny found two references in my old history books : nigromans, necromans. non-classical/ecclesiastical latin (VI-X) - vivificator (he who brings to life /casts life into dead matter)

Godmy

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Location: Bohemia Another non-classical option could possibly use the verb "animo,are" (to give life) - maybe animator, but this is very rare - Fully Digital Forcellini + Attico-Latin / Lat-Att. dictionaries POST·NVBILA·PHOEBVS​

Gutavulfus

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Location: Romae

Adrian dixit: "Necromancy sensu stricto" was not known to ancient romans (at least from the historical sources I read). The first mentions about "necromancy" come from medieval and early-renaissance sources. Words necyomantia/necromantia/nigromantia - late, post-classical/ecclesiastical/early renaissance latin(derrived from greek νεκρομαντεία (nekromanteía), meaning necromancy; bringing dead to life. I olny found two references in my old history books : nigromans, necromans. non-classical/ecclesiastical latin (VI-X) - vivificator (he who brings to life /casts life into dead matter) Click to expand...

Godmy dixit: Another non-classical option could possibly use the verb "animo,are" (to give life) - maybe animator, but this is very rare Click to expand...

Wow! Thank you, these words will help me! But, what was the name that the romans used to a person that "talk with dead people"? Like the kardecists, for example... I see that in the Holy Bible (maybe in the vulgata I'll find it) the King Saul consult an "witch" that comunicate with the spirits of the deads, but I don't remember the book... I'll keep searching, but if you know, please tell me. Thanks! "Umbra profunda sumus, ne nos vexetis, inepti. Non vos, sed doctos tam grave quaerit opus." A

Adrian

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Silva Iunior dixit: Wow! Thank you, these words will help me! But, what was the name that the romans used to a person that "talk with dead people"? Like the kardecists, for example... I see that in the Holy Bible (maybe in the vulgata I'll find it) the King Saul consult an "witch" that comunicate with the spirits of the deads, but I don't remember the book... I'll keep searching, but if you know, please tell me. Thanks! Click to expand...

These ancient witches supposedly had powers much like our modern imaginings do, indeed they were probably the source of the information passed through the centuries. Aside from concocting evil poisons, witches were believed to be able to summon the dead, influence the elements, the weather and even to move the stars and the moon through enchantments. Some witches possessed the ability to shape-shift, most commonly into a screech owl. These witches were called Strigae (sing. Strix). ​Read more at Suite101: Roman Witches: Ancient Witchcraft and the Religious Power of Magic in Rome | Suite101.com http://suite101.com/article/roman-witches-a131156#ixzz20KFLRlee​ Click to expand...

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Adrian

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Silva Iunior dixit: Wow! Thank you, these words will help me! But, what was the name that the romans used to a person that "talk with dead people"? Like the kardecists, for example... I see that in the Holy Bible (maybe in the vulgata I'll find it) the King Saul consult an "witch" that comunicate with the spirits of the deads, but I don't remember the book... I'll keep searching, but if you know, please tell me. Thanks! Click to expand...

Vide etiam: http://lucite.org/lucite/archive/history_-_witchcraft/oxford university press magic, witchcraft, and ghosts in the greek and roman worlds.pdf

Gutavulfus

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Location: Romae Thank you, Adrian! Apparently I found in the "Biblia Sacra" these relacted words: python, -onis (familiar spirit/demon possessing soothsayer; soothsayer; snake slain at Delphi) and hariolus, -i (soothsayer; prophet). Apparently, the ancient romans called the "necromancers" of "soothsayers", it was all "the same thing"... I think, but I could be wrong! "Umbra profunda sumus, ne nos vexetis, inepti. Non vos, sed doctos tam grave quaerit opus." E

echidnas brown

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Location: litore aureo Exodus 22:18 maleficos non patieris vivere 1 Sam 28:7 has specifically mulierem habentem pythonem And also from 1 Sam 28 magos qui tacet consentire videtur

Gutavulfus

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Location: Romae Gratias tibi ago, Cinefacte! "Umbra profunda sumus, ne nos vexetis, inepti. Non vos, sed doctos tam grave quaerit opus." You must log in or register to reply here. Share: Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email Link

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