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Store Page View Stats: Global Achievements Icarus > General Discussions > Topic Details -shhfiftyfive View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 2:44am now - what is deluxe edition? as of right now, the steam store page shows zero info on this, but it is there to purchase... < > Showing 1-15 of 24 comments -shhfiftyfive View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 2:59am nevermind - the info on deluxe is hidden within the beta "more info" section.wow that seems really 'price gouge territory' for this game. my opinion on this type of thing is the game would sell a multitude more copies if the price of content was not insane. but with insane prices you get far less people willing to buy/play the game. and that's really not good for health of a game that operates on party finder lobby to begin game sessions. this game is going to get negative review bombs if this scheme goes forward. you know it.i'll be withholding my purchase due to this scheme that seems to be laid out by the dev team to withhold behind a massive paywall what seems to be core desirable feature (persistent build spaces)... this should be a base game feature. - announcing these play spaces ahead of time that will be available day 1, and not including them in the base game, is anti-consumer. further - it seems simply done just to inflate value of a "season pass" of any kind.but in this case... worse (with a deluxe launch purchase, you're buying expansions sight unseen with no opportunity to refund them if they suck because they are tied to a deluxe edition which means you'll have played base deluxe purchase - 2 hours/2 weeks - long before the expansions ever get released, voiding your chance to refund.) this is just RED FLAG marketing/packaging. i implore the dev team to reconsider these schemes and try to profit via goodwill with a potentially massively large playerbase instead of trying to get rich quick off a much smaller set of players who buy things at insanely obnoxious prices without seeing the product upfront. rather this will erode any goodwill. you will get less copies sold. less players recommending friends to buy. more negative reviews.this is not rocket surgery. surely you can see this. you do not need to wait a year and look back and say yeah that was a big mistake. you should learn this before the mistake is made. Last edited by -shhfiftyfive; 12 Aug, 2021 @ 3:08am #1 Joce View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 3:38am I think they mean the Deluxe version to be more of a Supporters version. In my case it was an instant buy because I loved the trailer and the theme of the game. To you it's a red flag, and to me, it means they are planning on expanding the game in the future and I would like to help them do that. I've said this before here, but a lot of people complaining about the Deluxe version like that is the only version there is. If you think it isn't worth it, then get the normal version, it is a very reasonable $30US (on sale for $27). You can always get the DLC when they come out down the road, if you still enjoy the game.Also, since this is a Beta, and not Early Access, you can refund any time before release, no matter which version you buy. I hope you try it and see if you like it during Beta. #2 -shhfiftyfive View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 3:47am

Originally posted by Joce:a lot of people complaining about the Deluxe version like that is the only version there is.

what the deluxe edition is as of now (minus pre-ordering expansions and waiving your right to refund them) is.... early access to the persistent locations (outposts). and heavily paywalled. and not sold separately at launch as of yet.we may get to buy them down the road after release separately at a decent cost, but that is a pill many will refuse to swallow. the dev team is signalling that they believe the game to be worth far more than the $30 they're selling it for, but don't have the brass to charge people more for the entry. this is like a F2P game scheme that paywalls the core features. except this game isn't free, and people who buy in for $30 will feel cheated when they realize they are going to be asked to fork over a lot more to get the other core features that the dev team deemed a smart move to segment from the base purchase. at their own peril. bad decision. bad faith. Last edited by -shhfiftyfive; 12 Aug, 2021 @ 3:51am #3 Joce View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 4:07am

Originally posted by -shhfiftyfive:what the deluxe edition is as of now (minus pre-ordering expansions and waiving your right to refund them) is.... early access to the persistent locations (outposts). and heavily paywalled. and not sold separately at launch as of yet.we may get to buy them down the road after release separately at a decent cost, but that is a pill many will refuse to swallow.

Normal version gets one Outpost at launch. Deluxe gets two additional. #4 -shhfiftyfive View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 4:15am deluxe is a scam. boiling it down in the most simple terms - buying expansions sight unseen + waiving your right to refund them in the process = is a massive red flag.as far as the outpost situation. it is just the bait. i have little doubt that they will be sold separately later, but the bigger issue is using it to inflate the value of the deluxe to be scamming players into not being allowed to refund the expansions. #5 Joce View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 4:22am

Originally posted by -shhfiftyfive:deluxe is a scam. boiling it down in the most simple terms - buying expansions sight unseen + waiving your right to refund them in the process = is a massive red flag.as far as the outpost situation. it is just the bait. i have little doubt that they will be sold separately later, but the bigger issue is using it to inflate the value of the deluxe to be scamming players into not being allowed to refund the expansions.

Man, I don't know what to tell you. Don't buy deluxe then. I *LOVE* deluxe versions. Why can't I have that? You have a choice, so should I. #6 -shhfiftyfive View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 4:32am

Originally posted by Joce:

Originally posted by -shhfiftyfive:deluxe is a scam. boiling it down in the most simple terms - buying expansions sight unseen + waiving your right to refund them in the process = is a massive red flag.as far as the outpost situation. it is just the bait. i have little doubt that they will be sold separately later, but the bigger issue is using it to inflate the value of the deluxe to be scamming players into not being allowed to refund the expansions.

Man, I don't know what to tell you. Don't buy deluxe then. I *LOVE* deluxe versions. Why can't I have that? You have a choice, so should I.

either way. buying the game under these conditions is just rewarding bad business practices. it is just quite that simple. #7 Aklys View Profile View Posts 12 Aug, 2021 @ 4:33pm

Originally posted by -shhfiftyfive:

Originally posted by Joce:Man, I don't know what to tell you. Don't buy deluxe then. I *LOVE* deluxe versions. Why can't I have that? You have a choice, so should I.

either way. buying the game under these conditions is just rewarding bad business practices. it is just quite that simple.

Personally I have opted out of buying the game, but really the deluxe version isn't bad business practice by pricing. It really needs to be renamed, as mentioned before it is more of a supporter edition. Their communication could be improved through adjusting the naming so that the price is a reflection not of things you get given but more on it's there for those that want to contribute more. Really the biggest issue is communication of their marketing strategy is the issue. Clarity of product explanations on the steam page would be a bigger improvement than price changes. #8 GrimJim View Profile View Posts 15 Aug, 2021 @ 7:12pm Hey shhfiftyfive check out this youtube it might give you a bit more insight into how the devs are planning to release the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bDrcbdFHGk&list=WL&index=31&t=122sfrom what i understand you can refund the game up until it is launched which means being able to play the beta on the planned dates. so you can always just get the base game to give it ago to see how it plays before release kind of like an old school demo, I think the deluxe pack is more of a go fund me style supporters pack type of thing. but yes it is pretty expensive though i would always rather pay more upfront for a game instead of all these little micro transactions or subscriptions through out my play time of the game, That is if the game is actually finished and playable that is, will find out when the beta play through come about if its worth my extra money or not. #9 -shhfiftyfive View Profile View Posts 15 Aug, 2021 @ 10:05pm but the game is releasing "as a finished product" specifically not an early access product.. it is way beyond the gofundme / kickstarter phase that comes before production.i don't want to have to refund before launch just because of the inevitable reality - my friends will not buy the game due to this business model that has yet to be fully realized/revealed. what we do know is that the dev seems to be pushing forward with plans to further monetize all content that releases after launch, instead of releasing it for free.this results in community that suffers and fractures. sales will be low. game will not get strong positive reviews and word of mouth. playerbase will shrink with each (overpriced) paid content drop. #10 -shhfiftyfive View Profile View Posts 15 Aug, 2021 @ 10:11pm what most could get behind is if the base game were to cost more than the up front $30 right now ($40-60), and in doing so, guarantee updates to be free. but that is not the route this game is taking. so be it. we'll wash our hands of it then. there's so many other games to play that are not charging for every bit of content. #11 LorienEllen View Profile View Posts 15 Aug, 2021 @ 10:26pm

Originally posted by -shhfiftyfive:what most could get behind is if the base game were to cost more than the up front $30 right now ($40-60), and in doing so, guarantee updates to be free. but that is not the route this game is taking. so be it. we'll wash our hands of it then. there's so many other games to play that are not charging for every bit of content.

Hi there,Icarus' base game will have free content updates. We do not want players to miss out on the core experience that Icarus, the base game, offers.Yes we are charging for our DLC's (so far there are just two). This will help us continue to develop Icarus into the foreseeable future. DLC's generally come at a cost. Keep in mind that yes we are self-publishing.Yes Outposts are purchasable. We created these for the community members who wish to play without all the dangers that the Icarus base game offers.I hope this helps clarify things. I'm happy to answer more questions!Thank you. #12 Dark Exile View Profile View Posts 26 Aug, 2021 @ 5:54am

Originally posted by -shhfiftyfive:what most could get behind is if the base game were to cost more than the up front $30 right now ($40-60), and in doing so, guarantee updates to be free. but that is not the route this game is taking. so be it. we'll wash our hands of it then. there's so many other games to play that are not charging for every bit of content.

The DLC are paywalled, but then so was arks, and conans, and every other survival game i can think of, creating brand new assets like biomes, creatures is not something you just do for free unless you have money coming in elsewhere to pay for it, like ohhh i dunno, a battlepass or a cash shop.(And no mans sky doesnt count, if they tried to charge for things they promised at launch their company would be dead)The base game comes with an outpost, deluxe just gets two more of different biomes.I mean your money do what you want, but i see nothing wrong with buying the base game and the other things seperately if they "deluxe" sounds like a ripoff, i got it and have no intention of even using outposts /shrug #13 -shhfiftyfive View Profile View Posts 26 Aug, 2021 @ 7:30am

Originally posted by Dark Exile:

Originally posted by -shhfiftyfive:what most could get behind is if the base game were to cost more than the up front $30 right now ($40-60), and in doing so, guarantee updates to be free. but that is not the route this game is taking. so be it. we'll wash our hands of it then. there's so many other games to play that are not charging for every bit of content.

The DLC are paywalled, but then so was arks, and conans, and every other survival game i can think of, creating brand new assets like biomes, creatures is not something you just do for free unless you have money coming in elsewhere to pay for it, like ohhh i dunno, a battlepass or a cash shop.(And no mans sky doesnt count, if they tried to charge for things they promised at launch their company would be dead)The base game comes with an outpost, deluxe just gets two more of different biomes.I mean your money do what you want, but i see nothing wrong with buying the base game and the other things seperately if they "deluxe" sounds like a ripoff, i got it and have no intention of even using outposts /shrug

ark and conan are different game modes than this. they have official servers and very large maps and they don't have 30 minute mission timers... this game has 30 minute co-op missions, then you leave and do another one. it is questionable how this method will hold appeal with no permanence. i had hoped after mission ended, and later you would revisit old areas based on some storytelling progression or just opportunities based on weather and orbit.... otherwise its just like playing a new server for 30 minutes then the only thing you take away is some character exp which is a small prize. i hope to be surprised, but if the game turns out bare bones then that's not going to appeal. Last edited by -shhfiftyfive; 26 Aug, 2021 @ 7:33am #14 Dark Exile View Profile View Posts 26 Aug, 2021 @ 8:39am

Originally posted by -shhfiftyfive:

Originally posted by Dark Exile:The DLC are paywalled, but then so was arks, and conans, and every other survival game i can think of, creating brand new assets like biomes, creatures is not something you just do for free unless you have money coming in elsewhere to pay for it, like ohhh i dunno, a battlepass or a cash shop.(And no mans sky doesnt count, if they tried to charge for things they promised at launch their company would be dead)The base game comes with an outpost, deluxe just gets two more of different biomes.I mean your money do what you want, but i see nothing wrong with buying the base game and the other things seperately if they "deluxe" sounds like a ripoff, i got it and have no intention of even using outposts /shrug

ark and conan are different game modes than this. they have official servers and very large maps and they don't have 30 minute mission timers... this game has 30 minute co-op missions, then you leave and do another one. it is questionable how this method will hold appeal with no permanence. i had hoped after mission ended, and later you would revisit old areas based on some storytelling progression or just opportunities based on weather and orbit.... otherwise its just like playing a new server for 30 minutes then the only thing you take away is some character exp which is a small prize. i hope to be surprised, but if the game turns out bare bones then that's not going to appeal.

If all you have learned about the game is "30 minute missions and you only earn character xp" then might i suggest doing some research.You can do month long drops, and you dont only take away character xp, you also take resources among other things, it seems you read a few things on the store page and didn't really bother much beyond that because you got a bee in your bonnet about pricing.Your loss i spose #15 < > Showing 1-15 of 24 comments Per page: 1530 50 Icarus > General Discussions > Topic Details Date Posted: 12 Aug, 2021 @ 2:44amPosts: 24 Discussions Rules and Guidelines

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