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#1 (permalink) Old Sun Oct 19, 2008, 09:23pm
TViglione TViglione is offline Official Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1
Snap Infraction During a High School Football game the opposing teams center snapped the ball earlier than anticipated by his teammates because he was the only player to move on the snap. The ball touched the QB's hands and then fell to the ground. The ball was recovered by a defensive lineman. In my book, that is considered a fumble and the ball should have gone to the defense, however, the ref called a five yard penalty due to a "snap infraction" and the offense maintained the ball. Which is the correct call? Reply With Quote
#2 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 04:44am
JugglingReferee JugglingReferee is offline Fav theme: Roundball Rock Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Near Dog River (sorta) Posts: 8,558
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Originally Posted by TViglione View Post During a High School Football game the opposing teams center snapped the ball earlier than anticipated by his teammates because he was the only player to move on the snap. The ball touched the QB's hands and then fell to the ground. The ball was recovered by a defensive lineman. In my book, that is considered a fumble and the ball should have gone to the defense, however, the ref called a five yard penalty due to a "snap infraction" and the offense maintained the ball. Which is the correct call?
CANADIAN RULING: Assuming that the Ready For Play whistle had in fact been blown in, it is a fumble and first down for the team currently on defense - team B. __________________ Pope Francis Reply With Quote
#3 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 07:01am
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Originally Posted by TViglione View Post During a High School Football game the opposing teams center snapped the ball earlier than anticipated by his teammates because he was the only player to move on the snap. The ball touched the QB's hands and then fell to the ground. The ball was recovered by a defensive lineman. In my book, that is considered a fumble and the ball should have gone to the defense, however, the ref called a five yard penalty due to a "snap infraction" and the offense maintained the ball. Which is the correct call?
Nothing you have said would lead me to believe this was an illegal snap. __________________ I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more cowbell! Reply With Quote
#4 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 07:32am
Forksref Forksref is offline Official Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: N.D. Posts: 1,829
The only infraction was that B got the short end of the stick. No foul here. Just a snapper who didn't know the count and B suffers. Reply With Quote
#5 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 08:19am
FTVMartin FTVMartin is offline Official Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: MI Posts: 175
There was nothing illegal about the snap. It was just early. That's a fumble. Reply With Quote
#6 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 08:37am
Ed Hickland Ed Hickland is offline Official Forum Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Posts: 1,130
NFHS 2-39 SNAP Art. 1...A snap is the legal act of passing or handing the ball backwards from its position on the ground. Art. 2...The snap begins when the snapper first moves the ball legally other than adjustment. In a snap, the movement must be quick and continuous backward motion of the ball during which the ball immediately leaves the hand(s) of the snapper and touches a back or the ground before it touches an A lineman. Art. 3...The snap ends when the ball touches the ground or any player. Where was this not a snap? It is possible it was ruled a snap infraction if the snapper did not make a continuous movement. You had to be there! __________________ Ed Hickland, MBA, CCP [email protected] Reply With Quote
#7 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 09:08am
wwcfoa43 wwcfoa43 is offline Official Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 183
Perhaps the official was thinking NFL rules. Prior to the 2008 season in the NFL, a snap that hit the ground prior to touching the QB was a 5 yard illegal procedure penalty. Of course, even this does not match the OP because the poster said the QB touched it which would have been a fumble even in the NFL pre-2008. Reply With Quote
#8 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 11:51am
mikesears mikesears is offline Official Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 1,319
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Originally Posted by TViglione View Post During a High School Football game the opposing teams center snapped the ball earlier than anticipated by his teammates because he was the only player to move on the snap. The ball touched the QB's hands and then fell to the ground. The ball was recovered by a defensive lineman. In my book, that is considered a fumble and the ball should have gone to the defense, however, the ref called a five yard penalty due to a "snap infraction" and the offense maintained the ball. Which is the correct call?
Not having the benefit of seeing the play, I have a couple of questions. Did the snapper double pump? Did the snapper let go of the ball immediately? Was there something else that could have caused the ball to remain dead? A snap must meet several requirements to be legal and if it doesn't, the ball remains dead. __________________ Mike Sears Reply With Quote
#9 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 12:53pm
LeRoy LeRoy is offline Official Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Posts: 69
Fumble --- B's Ball Reply With Quote
#10 (permalink) Old Mon Oct 20, 2008, 04:37pm
LDUB LDUB is offline Official Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,643
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Originally Posted by TViglione View Post The ball touched the QB's hands and then fell to the ground. The ball was recovered by a defensive lineman. In my book, that is considered a fumble
In the rule book, that is considered a muff Reply With Quote
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