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#16  06-05-2014, 05:15 AM |
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Quote: Originally Posted by The Doctor  So...you are suggesting the reel is not even made in Malaysia? Ethiopia? | You aware of the story a few years ago when the Chinese developed the manufacturing park named 'Japan', and were using the "Made in Japan" labels? A lecturer of mine who was Japanland obsessed and was a multi visit Toyota manufacturing / quality assessor for many years told us this verified story. He always told us to "NEVER TRUST A LABEL"... And till this day I still dont... Made in Malaysia seems legit - seen most Shimano gear come out of there - made to a price and most things have that Malaysian made feel; bit like Mamee Noodles...  |
| #17 06-05-2014, 06:32 AM |
 | The Doctor  Big Bream | Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Darwin Posts: 682 | |
Quote: | Originally Posted by SLAZMO You aware of the story a few years ago when the Chinese developed the manufacturing park named 'Japan', and were using the "Made in Japan" labels? | I did not know that. Although I have to say being Chinese myself, I am not surprised that some Chinese companies and people would do that sort of thing. There were, and I am sure there still are many loopholes in the laws and regulations. However, I do not see how is this relate to the topic we were on - a Stella or any other Shimano models made in Japan are undoubtedly made in Japan, loose term in some cases it maybe. But they are not counterfeits with Shimano trademarks, made in some Business and Economical Development Park (that is what we call these areas in China) in some southern coastal cities of China. Yes, maybe some parts used in these reels are not Japanese made (for instance, Daiwa Saltiga bears the made in Japan tag despite some of its bearings are of Thai origin), but the final assembly is, as the tag suggests, in Japan. Because of the globalisation of manufacturing and trading, a lot of the products now have mixed countries of origin. A made in Japan tag does not necessarily mean every step of the manufacturing process and/or every part of the product is made in Japan. To sum up, I am likely to trust that the reel is made in Japan when its label suggests so....unless there are obvious signs suggest it is made in China. And trust me, as a Chinese, I know when I see one |
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| #18 06-05-2014, 06:40 AM |
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Made in Japan vs. parts made in another lower cost country of origin and Assembled in Japan = Made in Japan. Eg: Current Mitsubishi Lancer - assembled in Japan however lots and lots if not all parts made extraneous of Japan and only assembled in Japan to lower costs. Leatherman tools went through some hard times due to their tools having outsourced certain elements which rendered the tool not being totally Made in USA - then they were forced to remove the "Made in USA" stamping, which continues to today on all tools they produce. I think a lot of people should be reading that their Japanland manufactured reels should be re-read as 'Assembled in Japan'. Manufacturers are pricing for something that the consumer is not getting. I stand with this statement until someone can give further info that all Japanese origin reels are entirely made in Japan from japanese materials? Seems legit? Attached Images  | images.jpg (7.1 KB, 119 views) | Last edited by SLAZMO; 06-05-2014 at 06:44 AM. |
| #19 06-05-2014, 07:19 AM |
| The Doctor Big Bream | Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Darwin Posts: 682 | |
Quote: | Originally Posted by SLAZMO Made in Japan vs. parts made in another lower cost country of origin and Assembled in Japan = Made in Japan. ... I stand with this statement until someone can give further info that all Japanese origin reels are entirely made in Japan from japanese materials? | I do not think anyone is going to correct you for saying that. I agree with you fully on that, as indicated in my previous reply. Like I said, the made in Japan tag no longer suggests the product is 100% Japanese - just like a bag of dried mangoes are labeled made in Australia while the mangoes are imported from Philippines. As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if 60% of the parts in a made in Japan reel is sourced from Japan. What the made in Japan label does suggest, hopefully, is that the manufacturing, assembling standard as well as QC are of Japanese standard - whatever that means. It might mean a thing or two ten, twenty years back but after all the Toyota recalls, accidents due to design and manufacturing faults, official apologies followed by more recalls and faults, I am not sure anymore. And do not get started on the design, maintenance and emergency protocols on the Fukushima nuclear power station. What was I on about? Oh right... I guess why I go for the made in Japan tackles, especially reels (as not many JDM rods are actually made in Japan anymore) is because these reels tend to bear better components (you are not going to find Shimano's highest grade CF drive gear on, say a Stradic). And that, Andrew, if my submission of the argumentative essay of the day - surprisingly agreeable and full of baseless arguments. Back to you, Bamm. Last edited by The Doctor; 06-05-2014 at 07:16 PM. |
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| #20 06-05-2014, 07:25 AM |
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| I agree with what you said Its getting too deep at this time of night. |
| #21 06-05-2014, 08:51 AM |
| Nix88 Mature Bream | Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 462 | |
| It could be worst, reels made in Australia imagine the reels coming out of here the names on them like the guilard or the hawke. |
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| #22 06-05-2014, 07:10 PM |
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Nice looking reel that Soare!   __________________ Cheers Jules. |
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| #23 08-05-2014, 05:01 PM |
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| I'm not sure if it really matters that much anymore. The Japanese made models are the very top end ones, and the rest are either made in Malaysia or China. I have a JDM Twinpower and while it is a beautiful reel, I don't think my Malaysian made Biomasters feel poorly made in comparison. I reckon we are pretty lucky these days with the quality of reels now available at reasonable prices. |
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| #24 08-05-2014, 05:31 PM |
| bamm Blue Lip | Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: lake mac/brisbane Posts: 1,177 | |
Quote: | Originally Posted by Delraiser I'm not sure if it really matters that much anymore. The Japanese made models are the very top end ones, and the rest are either made in Malaysia or China. I have a JDM Twinpower and while it is a beautiful reel, I don't think my Malaysian made Biomasters feel poorly made in comparison. I reckon we are pretty lucky these days with the quality of reels now available at reasonable prices. | Defiantly a fair point u make there man but some may disagree |
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