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Post by Vegitofaxx » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:03 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Well Vegeta became a good guy in my book when he killed himself to defeat Majin Boo and did it out of selflessness and not out of pride for the first time in his life. But I have to ask, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful at all, but is the thread meant to be a joke? Because judging from the OP, it seems to be.
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Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:34 pm

Well at the end of battle of gods. Supreme Kai stated that even though earth is flawed and so are humans. They have a certain charm on those that live there. He became a better person because of loving his family and wouldn't admit it but by making friends with goku and the gang. Also when he go rid of those feelings of trying to become stronger then goku and accept his place as number 2. He became a better person. Top User avatar CordonBloo Beyond Newbie Posts: 101 Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:52 pm Location: Worthing UK

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Post by CordonBloo » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:51 pm

I would say it was when he sacrificed himself to take out Boo and failed, that was his retribution moment. Enma said he kept his body around "just incase" but then shortly after Porunga decided Vegeta was a good guy so I'd say it was around there yeah. CORDON BLOO TO THE RESCOO! Top Deathbringer Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie Posts: 376 Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:27 pm Location: United Kingdom

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Post by Deathbringer » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:28 pm

During the Namek Arc he goes from villain to antihero since he's basically forced to work alongside Krillin and Gohan but he's still ruthless and big headed Then in the Android/Cell arcs he becomes even more of a main cast member by having a child with Bulma so he has a responsibility and definitely grows to be more caring The Boo saga is where he releases a lot of pent-up rage against Goku that he has been keeping locked up for years about how he has constantly been surpassed by him, a low level Saiyan, surpassing the Prince of all Saiyans! The arrogance continues to shine through clearly...but eventually he realises that he should be more focussed on his family and he pays for his sins through sacrifice. Of course it doesn't show all of this on the surface because Vegeta doesn't say any of this outright and neither does the story because that would take away the subtlety of one of the best developed characters in all of DB. In fact in Battle of Gods he has resigned himself to training hard but also caring for his family as a citizen of Earth, even allowing his pride to be put on the line to save planet earth by singing the bingo song. And showing he cares for Bulma with "THAT'S MY BULMAAAAAA" So he still does evil things as an antihero but by the end of that whole Majin Vegeta business he goes full-on good guy. :thumbup: Top User avatar DBZAOTA482 Banned Posts: 6995 Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:04 pm Contact: Contact DBZAOTA482 Website Twitter YouTube

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:30 pm

When he and Goku both fought against Kid Boo, and came in terms with Goku being better than him is when he officially became a good guy.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Post by Mystic Tien » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:55 pm

Somewhere post-Buu arc, in Buu arc he still had a lot of pride and arrogance with him, he also didn't hesitate to kill a bunch of men, while Babidi wasn't even controlling him. But somewhere after Buu arc he managed to became a proper good man. Of course he is not an angel, but I think his massacre is done now. He won't kill any human anymore, he found happiness in living with his family and having a close friend and rival right near him, always ready to take a challenge. He is a man who is ready now to fight for his family and Earth, so he may be properly called a changed man and good guy after Buu arc, as we may see in BoG.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:48 pm

I prefer to say on the side of good, than good guy. I dunno I don't see him being good like Krillin, Tenshinhan, or even Piccolo. Vegeta I see someone doing good cause it's convenient to him. If a city blows up, I don't think he'd give a shit as long as it's not someone from his family who died along with it. He's just under good for me. Not evil, but not quite someone I'd call good either. Leans closer to good, but isn't quite there. That's my opinion though. Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter! Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself. Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested. If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them. An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
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Post by Vegitofaxx » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:48 am

dbzfan7 wrote:I prefer to say on the side of good, than good guy. I dunno I don't see him being good like Krillin, Tenshinhan, or even Piccolo. Vegeta I see someone doing good cause it's convenient to him. If a city blows up, I don't think he'd give a shit as long as it's not someone from his family who died along with it. He's just under good for me. Not evil, but not quite someone I'd call good either. Leans closer to good, but isn't quite there. That's my opinion though.
I'd compare him to Alucard(obviously on a much smaller extent) He's on the good side, but he's not a good person(not completely) Here lies a modified Doctor Who qoute. It was killed too early by the moderators. R.I.P. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steam: The Muncher of Da Biscuits. PSN: Joeythekiller123 Playing XenoVerse on Pc. BP = 10370. Primary CaC: Tapaha. Always ready for an invite :D ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jackass, #1 Hellsing fan, Translator for the Danish version of DBM(always two pages ahead of you), Chilling on da forums 8) Top User avatar dbzfan7 Namekian Warrior Posts: 13045 Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:55 am Location: Earth Contact: Contact dbzfan7 Website

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:25 am

Vegitofaxx wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I prefer to say on the side of good, than good guy. I dunno I don't see him being good like Krillin, Tenshinhan, or even Piccolo. Vegeta I see someone doing good cause it's convenient to him. If a city blows up, I don't think he'd give a shit as long as it's not someone from his family who died along with it. He's just under good for me. Not evil, but not quite someone I'd call good either. Leans closer to good, but isn't quite there. That's my opinion though.
I'd compare him to Alucard(obviously on a much smaller extent) He's on the good side, but he's not a good person(not completely)
Well he's not quite Alucard bad as he currently is, but yeah I can see the comparison. Alucard really only fights for whatever Integra says. There's no real good or bad. Vegeta only cares if say Bulma were in trouble. Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter! Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself. Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested. If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them. An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
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Post by Vegitofaxx » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:00 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Vegitofaxx wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I prefer to say on the side of good, than good guy. I dunno I don't see him being good like Krillin, Tenshinhan, or even Piccolo. Vegeta I see someone doing good cause it's convenient to him. If a city blows up, I don't think he'd give a shit as long as it's not someone from his family who died along with it. He's just under good for me. Not evil, but not quite someone I'd call good either. Leans closer to good, but isn't quite there. That's my opinion though.
I'd compare him to Alucard(obviously on a much smaller extent) He's on the good side, but he's not a good person(not completely)
Well he's not quite Alucard bad as he currently is, but yeah I can see the comparison. Alucard really only fights for whatever Integra says. There's no real good or bad. Vegeta only cares if say Bulma were in trouble.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:14 pm

This is how I view Vegeta: Saiyan Saga - Bad Namek saga - Buu saga (Before turning Majin) - Anti Hero and bad when becoming Majin Vegeta Buu saga (After death) - EOZ - Good Bebi Saga - Good and becomes bad when Bebi took over his body Super 17 - Shadow Dragon saga - Good She/Her PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27 LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/ Top User avatar Lord Beerus Namekian Warrior Posts: 21422 Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm Location: A temple on a giant tree Contact: Contact Lord Beerus Twitter YouTube

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:51 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:This is how I view Vegeta: Saiyan Saga - Bad Namek saga - Buu saga (Before turning Majin) - Anti Hero and bad when becoming Majin Vegeta Buu saga (After death) - EOZ - Good Bebi Saga - Good and becomes bad when Bebi took over his body Super 17 - Shadow Dragon saga - Good
Yeah, that sums it up pretty well. Spoiler:
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Post by Vegitofaxx » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:53 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:This is how I view Vegeta: Saiyan Saga - Bad Namek saga - Buu saga (Before turning Majin) - Anti Hero and bad when becoming Majin Vegeta Buu saga (After death) - EOZ - Good Bebi Saga - Good and becomes bad when Bebi took over his body Super 17 - Shadow Dragon saga - Good
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Post by mAcChaos » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:21 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I prefer to say on the side of good, than good guy. I dunno I don't see him being good like Krillin, Tenshinhan, or even Piccolo. Vegeta I see someone doing good cause it's convenient to him. If a city blows up, I don't think he'd give a shit as long as it's not someone from his family who died along with it. He's just under good for me. Not evil, but not quite someone I'd call good either. Leans closer to good, but isn't quite there. That's my opinion though.
But would he let them do it? There's a difference between being emotionally upset by it, and just letting it happen anyway. If a bad guy came and blew up a city Vegeta wouldn't just sit there. [i]"I have yet to show you, young warrior, what I'm truly capable of."[/i] - Cell Top User avatar dbzfan7 Namekian Warrior Posts: 13045 Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:55 am Location: Earth Contact: Contact dbzfan7 Website

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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:39 pm

mAcChaos wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I prefer to say on the side of good, than good guy. I dunno I don't see him being good like Krillin, Tenshinhan, or even Piccolo. Vegeta I see someone doing good cause it's convenient to him. If a city blows up, I don't think he'd give a shit as long as it's not someone from his family who died along with it. He's just under good for me. Not evil, but not quite someone I'd call good either. Leans closer to good, but isn't quite there. That's my opinion though.
But would he let them do it? There's a difference between being emotionally upset by it, and just letting it happen anyway. If a bad guy came and blew up a city Vegeta wouldn't just sit there.
Well no cause then Bulma would get pissed at him. Deep down he really doesn't give a shit. However if Bulma knew he let a city die, then he'd regret it. Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter! Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself. Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested. If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them. An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
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Post by Mystic Tien » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:12 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Deep down he really doesn't give a shit
We don't know it. In Buu arc sure he didn't. But it is not Buu arc anymore.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.
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Post by Logan » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:36 pm

Three big turning points, I think. During the end of the Cell saga when Vegeta apologizes to Gohan for his botched attempt at fighting back. Vegeta never apologizes and certainly never cares about anyone other than himself. When he discovers that Gohan has "died" at the hands of Majin Boo and resolves to avenge him for Goku and atone for letting his ego get in the way. Vegeta finally swallows his pride and admits that Goku is number one. There is no Dragon Ball canon. Top User avatar Hellspawn28 Patreon Supporter Posts: 15654 Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm Location: Maryland, USA

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:22 pm

Vegitofaxx wrote: I would say he's still bad in the beginning of the Namek arc.
Yeah but I think he quickly became a anti hero once he meets Gohan and Kuririn on Namek. She/Her PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27 LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/ Top User avatar dbzfan7 Namekian Warrior Posts: 13045 Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:55 am Location: Earth Contact: Contact dbzfan7 Website

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:22 am

Mystic Tien wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Deep down he really doesn't give a shit
We don't know it. In Buu arc sure he didn't. But it is not Buu arc anymore.
Vegeta ain't Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, or even Piccolo. He's not someone to really be effected if a city was destroyed. Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter! Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself. Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested. If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them. An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
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Post by dae428 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:55 am

I've always thought that Vegeta steadily became good after the events of Cell up until the Boo arc. However, the problem with him was that he was in denial and couldn't really accept that he had become good (good as in actually caring about the people around him (though the idea of good is a bit of a vague notion given that in this day and age I guess there are different interpretations as to what good actually is)) until either during the Boo arc where he sacrificed himself to try to kill Boo or when he finally accepted that Goku was number 1. Top Post Reply Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Direction: AscendingDescending
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