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User avatar roscaifed Newbie Posts: 31 Joined: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:40 pm Location: Bradford, United Kingdom

When exactly does Goku learn to fly?

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Post by roscaifed » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:00 pm

Throughout most of DB and the start of Z Goku doesn't seem to be able to fly. There are a couple of occasion where it looks like he may be flying but it seems to be more of a high jump. It seems to me like he randomly just gained the ability to fly during the saiyan saga. Is there something I'm missing? maybe part of the manga or a filler episode that I have forgotten Top User avatar Kamiccolo9 Namekian Warrior Posts: 10370 Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 pm Location: Regensburg, Germany

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:01 pm

roscaifed wrote:Throughout most of DB and the start of Z Goku doesn't seem to be able to fly. There are a couple of occasion where it looks like he may be flying but it seems to be more of a high jump. It seems to me like he randomly just gained the ability to fly during the saiyan saga. Is there something I'm missing? maybe part of the manga or a filler episode that I have forgotten
The first time we see him fly is during the fight with Piccolo during the 23rd Budokai. Personally, I think that's when he first learned to do it, but he may have learned while training with Kami. Champion of the 1st Kanzenshuu Short Story Tenkaichi Budokai Kamiccolo9's Kompendium of Short Stories
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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:04 pm

I think he learned this ability from his training with Kami. He probably just thought it'd be a good idea for the element of surprise. If not that, it probably used up too much energy at that point. "First I whip it out! Then I thrust it! With great force! Every angle...! It penetrates! Until...! With great strength...! I... ram it in! In the end... We are all satisfied... And you are set free...!" ~Dante~ Top User avatar freezamite Banned Posts: 392 Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:57 pm

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Post by freezamite » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:07 pm

I think that the most safe bet is that he learned to fly during the training with Kami. But as weird as it could seem, Goku was never comfortable fighting on the air even when in terms of ki mastering he was without any doubt the best on the series only rivalled by Krilin and of course Mystic Gohan (but he had the help of a god) who ended surpassing him, so this is why he only flew on very specific circumstances until the fight against Vegeta and even when he fought Freezer he avoided flying as much as he could. From there onwards I think that he was as comfortable fighting on the air as he was on the ground, so maybe this is something he got completely used to during the 3 years of training to fight the androids. Top User avatar DBZGTKOSDH Namekian Warrior Posts: 12401 Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm Location: Greece

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:53 pm

He learned it on-spot during his fight with Piccolo, but I guess he studied it during his training with Kami.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them. Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Tyro » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:24 pm

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Post by Jackal puFF » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:24 pm

I'm sure he learned it from Kami. I don't think he was that good at it though.. Or not really comfortable flying.. He was still using nimbus during the saiyan arc. Or you know he was just doing that so he wouldn't waste energy.. Listen to my new song :) https://open.spotify.com/artist/11ztclIGl8JomGApKSvECe Top User avatar Draken Banned Posts: 1608 Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:01 am

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Post by Draken » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:29 pm

But if he learned it from Kami, how come Goku didn't learn the style of flying Piccolo used that was less energy draining and faster? Top User avatar Tyro Patreon Supporter Posts: 1648 Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 12:04 pm Location: USA

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Post by Tyro » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:41 pm

Draken wrote:But if he learned it from Kami, how come Goku didn't learn the style of flying Piccolo used that was less energy draining and faster?
Who said Piccolo's style of Bukujutsu used less ki and was faster than average? Top User avatar Draken Banned Posts: 1608 Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:01 am

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Post by Draken » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:54 pm

Tyro wrote:
Draken wrote:But if he learned it from Kami, how come Goku didn't learn the style of flying Piccolo used that was less energy draining and faster?
Who said Piccolo's style of Bukujutsu used less ki and was faster than average?
The fact that Piccolo could use it easily before anyone else? Top rereboy Namekian Warrior Posts: 10262 Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:42 pm

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Post by rereboy » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:56 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I think he learned this ability from his training with Kami. He probably just thought it'd be a good idea for the element of surprise. If not that, it probably used up too much energy at that point.
He goes out of is way to avoid fallling out of bounds during that tournament by shooting Kamehamehas and even spinning like a tornado, which seems much more complicated and energy consuming than simply flying. He even dodges a Ki blast from Piccolo while in the air by firing an attack that changes his direction in the air instead of just using the flying technique to do it. So, I believe that he mastered it on the spot as a means to avoid Piccolo's final attack since he had no arms or legs usable at that point. Top User avatar Saiga Kicks it Old-School Posts: 8311 Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:36 pm Location: Space Australia

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Post by Saiga » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:32 am

I think he knew it and reserved it as a trump card. Even in the Saiyan arc, he still uses Kinto'un instead of flying, and when he flies from Kaio's back to the Otherworld Check-in station he uses up a lot of his energy. That's after his training, before hand he couldn't even fly there. Meanwhile, the Super Kamehameha doesn't cause any noticeable drop in his stamina, so regular Kamehamehas are probably of no concern to him. I definitely think they're more efficient than flight at that stage for Goku. I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it! Top User avatar Draken Banned Posts: 1608 Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:01 am

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Post by Draken » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:39 am

And it looks cooler :lol: Top User avatar Tyro Patreon Supporter Posts: 1648 Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 12:04 pm Location: USA

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Post by Tyro » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:59 am

Draken wrote:The fact that Piccolo could use it easily before anyone else?
That can also mean he's more proficient with the technique. He doesn't do anything at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai that we haven't seen before and keeping up with Kintoun in the early Saiyan arc is something that we only see him do. Flight has a lot to do with how strong your ki is and Piccolo has always been stronger than the other characters who use this technique, like Tenshinhan. Who's to say he couldn't keep up with Kinto'un in the early Saiyan arc, especially if we could make him as strong as Piccolo was at that point. I just don't see anything implying that Piccolo's flight was superior in the ways you've mentioned to anyone else equal in strength. Top User avatar Friezacooler Regular Posts: 694 Joined: Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:13 am

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Post by Friezacooler » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:01 am

Goku fly's using his tail when fighting Mr Roshi in a tournament, and Roshi destroys the moon in the Process. :wtf: :shock: Top User avatar Draken Banned Posts: 1608 Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:01 am

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Post by Draken » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:20 am

Pretty sure they said somewhere Piccolo uses a different style of bukujustsu than the rest of the cast. Top User avatar Kamiccolo9 Namekian Warrior Posts: 10370 Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 pm Location: Regensburg, Germany

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:34 am

Draken wrote:Pretty sure they said somewhere Piccolo uses a different style of bukujustsu than the rest of the cast.
The Special Attack Dictionary says that Piccolo (as well as other aliens) use the "same principles as bukujutsu" to fly. Whatever that means.
Bukujutsu First Appearance: Chapter 119 Category: ki manipulation People: Krillin, Son Goku, Son Gohan, Son Goten, Chaozu, Tenshinhan, Videl, others Special Characteristics: As a unique technique of the Tsuru-sen School, it seems that Tsuru-sennin is the one who thought it up. By emitting ki from the entire body, one moves as if fluttering through the air. It’s a basic ki manipulation technique, on par with the ki blast. Like Videl, anyone can do it merely be learning how to use ki. Also, Krillin and Goku learned this technique through self study. The speed the user moves through the air with Bukujutsu is related to their level of skill and the extent of their ki. Those aliens who can fly, such as Piccolo, move through the sky using the same principle as Bukujutsu. Kame-sennin never used this technique, perhaps because he had Kinto-un and Baby Gamera. (Daizenshuu 4, p.113)
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Post by rereboy » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:23 am

Saiga wrote:I think he knew it and reserved it as a trump card.
That implies that he purposely hid it during the whole tournament, actively using other more complicated and energy consuming ways of not falling off the bounds, just because he thought there would come a occasion where flying without the opponent expecting would be really advantageous. It seems rather farfectched... In fact, notice how Goku rescued Kami from inside of Piccolo. Even in this occasion, when rescuing Kami was absolutely vital, Goku didn't fly, he just jumped and used a blast to launch himself into Piccolo's mouth. Goku is a fighting genius capable of copying and using many techniques after seeing them. It seems much more likely that Goku, deprived of the use of his arms and legs, knew that his only chance was to fly like Tenshinhan, and so he figured it the technique on the spot. Btw, Goku did the exact same thing regarding Taiyōken in that tournament. I doubt that he actually practiced that technique on purpose. He just noticed that Tenshinhan was using his eyes too much so he used it. Top User avatar Draken Banned Posts: 1608 Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:01 am

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Post by Draken » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:29 pm

Well if Goku's most powerful version of Kamehameha that he charged with all intents and purposes to kill Piccolo hardly seemed to drain him of energy, I don't think random generic kamehameha's would drain much energy either. Top User avatar Kamiccolo9 Namekian Warrior Posts: 10370 Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 pm Location: Regensburg, Germany

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:31 pm

Draken wrote:Well if Goku's most powerful version of Kamehameha that he charged with all intents and purposes to kill Piccolo hardly seemed to drain him of energy, I don't think random generic kamehameha's would drain much energy either.
Less energy than flying? Seeing as Videl, of all people, is capable of basic flight later on, energy consumption shouldn't have been a concern for Goku if he was capable of flying all throughout the fight. Champion of the 1st Kanzenshuu Short Story Tenkaichi Budokai Kamiccolo9's Kompendium of Short Stories
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