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Will tabs be 4 or 8 spaces? Mikey Chen Greenhorn Posts: 29 posted 23 years ago

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In http://java.sun.com/docs/codeconv/html/CodeConventions.doc3.html says that tabs must be 8 spaces. But I remember that tabs is 4 spaces from one training course. I am confused. Is it right that indent will be 4 spaces and tabs will be 8 spaces? But in which condition will use tabs or indent? Thanks!

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Marilyn de Queiroz Sheriff Posts: 9109 12 posted 23 years ago

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Generally, you indent code 4 spaces e.g. class MyClass{ public static void main( String[] args ){ // do stuff } } but if the line is too long (more than 80 characters), you indent it 8 spaces (tab) class MyClass{ public static void aVeryLongMethod( new MyClassThatDoesSomething myClassThatDoesSomething , new MyOtherClassThatDoesSomething myOtherClassThatDoesSomething , int aVeryLongIdentifer ) // do something } }

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Mikey Chen Greenhorn Posts: 29 posted 23 years ago

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Thanks!

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William Barnes Ranch Hand Posts: 1067 2 I like... posted 23 years ago

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Tabs are to be avoided at all costs. Since different editors treat tabs differently. Always use spaces to indent your code. (If you are just working my yourself this isn't as important.) And there is no universal standand for how many spaces to indent. But it should be agreed upon if you are working with a group of people.

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Thomas Paul mister krabs Posts: 13974 posted 23 years ago

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Many editors have an option to insert spaces when using the tab key. You should always have that turned on.

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Bert Bates author Posts: 9050 21 posted 23 years ago

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Sun sez: each indent should be four spaces from the last level, and tabs should be eight spaces. So your first indent has to be four spaces, your second indent can be either eight spaces or a tab. The third can be 12 spaces or a tab and four spaces, and so on... So, everyone has a different style, but this is Sun's recommended style - and if you ever take the developer's exam it's the one you better use, even if your company uses a different style. Same is true for things like where to put your curly braces. Don't shoot me I'm just the piano player.

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paul wheaton Trailboss Posts: 24197 ∞ I like... posted 23 years ago

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In the old and moldy days, all tabs were 8 spaces. Then some editors said you could specify how many spaces equaled a tab. So many geeks went with "4", that a lot of editors started making that the default. In the mean time, lots of programs stubbornly insist on 8! So then some poor slob gets a source file where the author has his stuff set up for, say, 4. Half the line are moved with tabs and half with spaces. If the slob in question has all of his stuff fixed at 4 spaces equals a tab, everything is cool! But if he has stuff set for 8, everything comes out all screwy and hard to read. My impression is that everybody is slowly moving back to a tab being the original 8 spaces and people aren't using tabs like that anymore. They use strictly the space character so nobody will see any goofiness.

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Dave Landers Ranch Hand Posts: 401 posted 23 years ago

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Indents are not Tabs and Tabs are not Indents. Indents in code should be done using spaces. Some style guides say 4, some 2, and I even know some who insist on 3. But the "implementation of an indent" uses some number of the SPACE character (ASCII 0x20 or "\u0020" or just " "). A Tab is a single character (known as "HT" or ASCII 0x09 or "\u0009" or "\t"). Often when that character is displayed, it is rendered as some ammount of blank area. It has traditionally been rendered as the equivalent of 8 SPACE characters. More often, it is rendered as "enough SPACE characters to reach the next column that is a multiple of 8 (or N) spaces". And sometimes it is some sort of arrow-like character. Because of the ambiguity in rendering, these Tab characters are worthless for code indention. However, there is a nice big key labeled "Tab" on your keyboard. It would be a shame to let a nice key like that go to waste, especially since it is easier to type than lots of spaces. For this reason, most code editors interpret your pressing of the Tab key as some sort of "Indent" signal. Good editors will take that tab and convert it into the correct number of initial spaces to make a proper indent. PS - Note that a Tab can also be used as a data delimiter (as in something to go between columns of a spreadsheet-to-text output or something. PPS - Tab is also a diet drink marketed by the Coca-Cola company. You might risk copyright/patent violations if you release code containing lots of Tab. US$ 0.02, Dave

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