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MP 7,1Windows 11 on Boot Camp (no TPM 2.0)?
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LEOMODE

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Original poster Jun 14, 2009 566 58 Southern California Hi, has anyone tried installing Windows 11 beta on 7,1? I already have Windows 10 installed and when I ran the upgradability check tool, it said since there is no TPM 2.0 installed Windows 11 is impossible. But I think this can be an error as it seems like Windows 11 supports even older Intel CPU’s, but I might be wrong as this is Xeon processor. Any experience sharing will be great. Thanks. velocityg4

velocityg4

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Dec 19, 2004 7,345 4,735 Georgia Although I haven't tried it. There's apparently already a workaround to bypass the TPM 2.0 requirement. As this is new YMMV. winaero.com

How to install Windows 11 without TPM 2.0

Yow you can install Windows 11 without TPM on unsupported hardware using ISO or perform an upgrade. It won't do TPM, Secure Boot, and other checks. winaero.com
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goMac

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Apr 15, 2004 7,664 1,696 For once Microsoft dropped support for a Mac Pro before Apple did.
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Staff member Dec 7, 2002 21,615 5,626 New Zealand The trick that apparently works on the leaked version may or may not work on the actual betas, let alone the actual release version of Windows 11. It's probably best to wait for the official betas next week before conjecturing too much...
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goMac

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Nermal said: The trick that apparently works on the leaked ISO may or may not work on the actual betas, let alone the actual release version of Windows 11. It's probably best to wait for the official betas next week before conjecturing too much... Click to expand...
Microsoft has stated that the betas may work on a machine without TPM 2.0, but the final will not. They could always change their mind though, or Apple could update the firmware to supply TPM 2.0 functionality.
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Aug 9, 2006 824 390 What about the 5,1 , does that work with windows 11 ?
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Weisswurstsepp

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goMac said: ... or Apple could update the firmware to supply TPM 2.0 functionality. Click to expand...
No, they can't. TPMs are more than firmware, they require a hardware TPM module which Macs simply don't have. So unless Microsoft decides to remove the TPM 1.2 requirement or a workaround will be found then intel Macs won't be able to run Windows 11. Edit: I stand corrected. Last edited: Jul 3, 2021 AppleGeezer

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Apr 12, 2021 8 8 Newer intel processors support Intel Platform Trust Technology (PTT), which is implemented in the processor itself and does not use a dedicated TPM chip. On a Windows machine this is something typically toggled in BIOS. Whether Apple can or will enable this in Bootcamp is another question. Note also that VMWare Fusion can configure a virtual TPM for its guests: see (https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-F...UID-317480E5-8478-4284-96DE-3B65387D1592.html).
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May 12, 2016 18 5 Didn't Intel start to integrate the TPM into their chips in the last few years (as per response above). May not matter for many reasons, one being there is very little incentive for Apple and Microsoft to deal with a niche crowd (yes, I am in that crowd, but I don't expect anything).
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goMac

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Weisswurstsepp said: No, they can't. TPMs are more than firmware, they require a hardware TPM module which Macs simply don't have. So unless Microsoft decides to remove the TPM 1.2 requirement or a workaround will be found then intel Macs won't be able to run Windows 11. Click to expand...
AppleGeezer said: Newer intel processors support Intel Platform Trust Technology (PTT), which is implemented in the processor itself and does not use a dedicated TPM chip. On a Windows machine this is something typically toggled in BIOS. Whether Apple can or will enable this in Bootcamp is another question. Note also that VMWare Fusion can configure a virtual TPM for its guests: see (https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-F...UID-317480E5-8478-4284-96DE-3B65387D1592.html). Click to expand...
What they said. Apple could probably roll a firmware update if they wanted to. PTT may even be able to be implemented purely in firmware.
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Jul 7, 2020 373 651 Finally, it has come to be. The longterm future of all well-functioning, Apple abandoned, unsupported Intel Macs is just LINUX. ;)
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LEOMODE said: Hi, has anyone tried installing Windows 11 beta on 7,1? I already have Windows 10 installed and when I ran the upgradability check tool, it said since there is no TPM 2.0 installed Windows 11 is impossible. But I think this can be an error as it seems like Windows 11 supports even older Intel CPU’s, but I might be wrong as this is Xeon processor. Any experience sharing will be great. Thanks. Click to expand...
Yes I have tried installing windows 11 the leaked version and the new current dev beta, I found a way to by pass that. Kazuto

Kazuto

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Nermal said: The trick that apparently works on the leaked version may or may not work on the actual betas, let alone the actual release version of Windows 11. It's probably best to wait for the official betas next week before conjecturing too much... Click to expand...
It works for both leaked and betas I have tried, and windows 11 was successfully installed. Plus windows 11 is also functioning as expect with little bugs ( well based on my experience, some issues can occur later on) Yebubbleman

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LEOMODE said: Hi, has anyone tried installing Windows 11 beta on 7,1? I already have Windows 10 installed and when I ran the upgradability check tool, it said since there is no TPM 2.0 installed Windows 11 is impossible. But I think this can be an error as it seems like Windows 11 supports even older Intel CPU’s, but I might be wrong as this is Xeon processor. Any experience sharing will be great. Thanks. Click to expand...
Windows 11 won't support the CPU from the iMac Pro. At least, it's not listed as being one of the supported CPUs. I'm pretty sure the Mac Pro does have a supported CPU and that the only limitation you're encountering is that Apple hasn't enabled TPM 2.0 support in their firmware. Unless this crosses wires with the T2 in conflicting ways, this is totally something Apple should be able to enable in a firmware update.
Weisswurstsepp said: No, they can't. TPMs are more than firmware, they require a hardware TPM module which Macs simply don't have. So unless Microsoft decides to remove the TPM 1.2 requirement or a workaround will be found then intel Macs won't be able to run Windows 11. Click to expand...
As others have said, all of the CPUs in Microsoft's list of supported Intel CPUs for Windows 11 have integrated TPM 2.0 support. That was a big reason for Microsoft limiting support for Windows 11 to those CPUs to begin with.
cybercylon said: Didn't Intel start to integrate the TPM into their chips in the last few years (as per response above). May not matter for many reasons, one being there is very little incentive for Apple and Microsoft to deal with a niche crowd (yes, I am in that crowd, but I don't expect anything). Click to expand...
Apple wouldn't need to do all that much here. I'd say the effort they put into updating the trackpad driver on T2 Intel MacBook Airs and Pros was more work than merely flipping on the TPM 2.0 switch in their firmware ought to be. I'd be much more worried about drivers support. But then again, it's not like Apple would need to make drivers for anything other than 2018-2020 Intel Macs (as no Mac released in 2017 or earlier meets Microsoft's processor requirements for Windows 11 anyway). B

Borowski

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Oct 22, 2018 305 99 Installing is possible, if you unpack the Windows 11-image and extract the file "install.esd" (or install.wim) and displace the same file in same location in an older x64-image. The hardware-check is executed from the newer installation-setup, so it works (at this time!) w/ older setup. Updates don't affect the installed Win 11. T

theluggage

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TimmuJapan said: Finally, it has come to be. The longterm future of all well-functioning, Apple abandoned, unsupported Intel Macs is just LINUX. ;) Click to expand...
To be fair, the same is now true of a lot of PC hardware that MS have just thrown under a bus. Still, Windows 10 will be around until 2025 or so...
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LEOMODE said: Hi, has anyone tried installing Windows 11 beta on 7,1? I already have Windows 10 installed and when I ran the upgradability check tool, it said since there is no TPM 2.0 installed Windows 11 is impossible. But I think this can be an error as it seems like Windows 11 supports even older Intel CPU’s, but I might be wrong as this is Xeon processor. Any experience sharing will be great. Thanks. Click to expand...
Please tell me how you installed Win10 on a 7,1. I have tried many methods but have been unable to get it to boot to windows after the first part of the install. Usually says something about not finding the drive or unable to boot the partition. I am installing on the internal 2TB SSD. BTW, I did start a thread on this and did not receive any help. Thanks, Robert robotica

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Jul 10, 2007 1,259 1,414 Edinburgh I think since the TPM is build into the hardware thats already there it would be an easy thing for apple to do to just enable the TPM thats built into the CPUs, at the very least for the officially supported window 11 CPU's. I have a 2018 Mac Mini that meats all the requirements except the TPM right now. Synchro3

Synchro3

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Jan 12, 2014 1,987 851 If Apple does not update the firmware to activate support for the TPM 2.0 standard, no one probably won’t be able to run Windows 11 on it — at least not officially. The i7-8700B of the Mac Mini 2018 has the TPM 2.0 implemented, however it's not activated. WhyNotWin11 Tool: mac mini 2018 tpm.PNG Last edited: Jul 11, 2021 cobra521

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Dec 14, 2016 397 137 FL Synchro3, I tried the web site WhyNotWin11.com and got so many warnings about possible viruses etc that I chickened out. Besides, if I clicked on the download button, nothing happened. Is there a different site I could use? Tom PS: Never mind! I got the file at github. The results under VMWare are more negative, as the red boxes not only appear for TPM Version, but also for Boot Method, DirectX + WDDM2, Disk Partition Type, Secure Boot and Storage available. Oh, well... Last edited: Jul 12, 2021 Synchro3

Synchro3

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cobra521 said: Synchro3, I tried the web site WhyNotWin11.com and got so many warnings about possible viruses etc that I chickened out. Besides, if I clicked on the download button, nothing happened. Is there a different site I could use? Tom PS: Never mind! I got the file at github. The results under VMWare are more negative, as the red boxes not only appear for TPM Version, but also for Boot Method, DirectX + WDDM2, Disk Partition Type, Secure Boot and Storage available. Oh, well... Click to expand...
Here you go: https://www.computerbase.de/downloads/systemtools/whynotwin11/ inooodevil

inooodevil

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LEOMODE said: Hi, has anyone tried installing Windows 11 beta on 7,1? I already have Windows 10 installed and when I ran the upgradability check tool, it said since there is no TPM 2.0 installed Windows 11 is impossible. But I think this can be an error as it seems like Windows 11 supports even older Intel CPU’s, but I might be wrong as this is Xeon processor. Any experience sharing will be great. Thanks. Click to expand...
Follow these steps to bypass Windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirements:
  1. Install Windows 11 via bootable installation media we created via Rufus. If your system hardware doesn’t meet the Windows 11 requirements. You will see the following message stating: “This PC can’t run Windows 11.“
  2. If the above message appears on your screen when installing Windows 11. Press Shift + F10 keys on your keyboard to launch the command prompt window. Type “Regedit” in the command prompt and hit enter to launch the Windows Registry Editor.
  3. Navigate to the following when the registry editor opens: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup
  4. Right-click on the setup folder, and from the submenu, select New>Key.
  5. Name the key you created “LabConfig” when prompted and hit enter.
  6. Right-click on the LabConfig key and select New > DWORD (32-bit) value. Name the value you created BypassTPMCheck. Create two more values with the following names: BypassRAMCheck BypassSecureBootCheck
  7. Now double-click on each value you created and set the date to 1 for each.
  8. After configuring all three values under the LabConfig key, close the registry editor.
  9. Next, in the Command Prompt window, type “Exit” and hit enter to close the window.
  10. Now that you are back at the message stating, “This PC can’t run Windows 11,”. On the Windows Setup window, click the back button as shown below.
  11. Doing so will take you back to the screen, prompting you to select the Windows version you want to install.
  12. Proceed without worrying about hardware requirements and install Windows 11. if you are still facing problems then you can go to yehiweb and read it with screenshots
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MisterAndrew

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Sep 15, 2015 2,920 2,431 Portland, Ore. I installed Windows 11 on a PC. It's really awful. I went back to Windows 10. So don't feel bad if your Mac doesn't support it and it's best not to install Windows on a Mac. At least not in UEFI mode because it pollutes the firmware with Secure Boot certificates.
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damienbutt

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Oct 28, 2016 69 161 Is there an up-to-date way of bypassing the TPM requirement as of today for updating an existing Bootcamp installation to Windows 11? I have been trying but failing. Tried all the regedit hacks. They don't work, for me at least. B

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Oct 22, 2018 305 99 Perhaps it work as described in my posting few month ago. Do an inplace-upgrade instead and disconnect internet before starting.
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