CQ DXC I thought VW has claimed a 0-60 time of 7.5 seconds for the 24V GTI. How do these guys get 6.5, according to this website? http://www.modernracer.com/vwgtivr6200.html #1 · Feb 19, 2006 I thought VW has claimed a 0-60 time of 7.5 seconds for the 24V GTI. How do these guys get 6.5, according to this website? http://www.modernracer.com/vwgtivr6200.html Sort by Oldest first Oldest first Newest first Most reactions #2 · Feb 19, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (CQ DX) then can drive better then VW or they are goin to 60 kph instead of 60 mph #3 · Feb 19, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (toooofastforu)
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then can drive better then VW or they are goin to 60 kph instead of 60 mph
60 kph would be alot quicker than 6.5 seconds. 60km/h is only 37mph #4 · Feb 19, 2006 I think 6.5 is the time Car and Driver got, too. #5 · Feb 19, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (CQ DX) I can do 0-60 in 5.92 #6 · Feb 19, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (ea187)
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60 kph would be alot quicker than 6.5 seconds. 60km/h is only 37mph
i was being a smartass but thanks #7 · Feb 19, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (toooofastforu)
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then can drive better then VW
This is the test driver for VW: VW's numbers are very underrated #8 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (CQ DX) all cars times are normally off unless there like mustangs and vettes where they are made for speed then they are tested out the ass for more precis readings. Cause i mean like ferri's and **** normally you can't get better then the times listed ormally when it is bone stock at all #9 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (Cptmorgemaker) Yeah. You're all wrong. German car companies are NOTORIOUS for underrating their automobiles. First, most German companies test 0-100km/h. That equates roughly to 0-62.5 miles per hour. With each mph equivalent to about 1/10 of a second in a 6.00 second 0-60 car, that means that to convert 0-100 km/h to mph/h, you actually should deduct about .2 seconds. I.E. VW's time of 7.5s should be reduced to about 7.3s. That said, it is still underrated. There are other factors, probably legal. If VW advertises a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds - they'd have to do clutch drops, etc.. to get it. If someone where to try to duplicate this (and we all know how good we vortexers are at htis type of duplication ) and blow the clutch, VW could be sued for products liability. As a litigant, you would argue that since VW advertised on their website that the 0-60 time of their automobile was 6.5 seconds, and the only way to accomplish that feat was absive driving, then abusive driving was a forseeable use of the vehicle. Therefore, the clutch shouldn't have blown and VW should be liable for all damages incurred. A similar suit was brough against Subaru when the WRX was released. Subi advertised 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and gave out free SCCA memberships. However, people's trannies began exploding. Soon there was a class action suit. THey alleged (rightfully so) that since Subaru had signed them up for a racing league, and had advertised the car as a sports car capable of performning featst aht were only feasible with huge clutch drops, that such use was forseeable and therefore should be covered under an implied warranty of merchantability. I never did hear the outcome of that case, but suffice to say, how many ads do you see today boasting about the STi's performance in specific terms? How many Subi dealerships give out SCCA memberships? (read: none.) VW's website likely means that in normal, non-abusive driving, a driver can get the car to 60 in 7.3 seconds. Car and Driver, and other magazines, use 5k rpm clutch drops, tire heating techniques, and all kinds of transmission-poppin tactics to get their numbers. #10 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (VarLordahl)
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Yeah. You're all wrong. German car companies are NOTORIOUS for underrating their automobiles. First, most German companies test 0-100km/h. That equates roughly to 0-62.5 miles per hour. With each mph equivalent to about 1/10 of a second in a 6.00 second 0-60 car, that means that to convert 0-100 km/h to mph/h, you actually should deduct about .2 seconds. I.E. VW's time of 7.5s should be reduced to about 7.3s. That said, it is still underrated. There are other factors, probably legal. If VW advertises a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds - they'd have to do clutch drops, etc.. to get it. If someone where to try to duplicate this (and we all know how good we vortexers are at htis type of duplication ) and blow the clutch, VW could be sued for products liability. As a litigant, you would argue that since VW advertised on their website that the 0-60 time of their automobile was 6.5 seconds, and the only way to accomplish that feat was absive driving, then abusive driving was a forseeable use of the vehicle. Therefore, the clutch shouldn't have blown and VW should be liable for all damages incurred. A similar suit was brough against Subaru when the WRX was released. Subi advertised 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and gave out free SCCA memberships. However, people's trannies began exploding. Soon there was a class action suit. THey alleged (rightfully so) that since Subaru had signed them up for a racing league, and had advertised the car as a sports car capable of performning featst aht were only feasible with huge clutch drops, that such use was forseeable and therefore should be covered under an implied warranty of merchantability. I never did hear the outcome of that case, but suffice to say, how many ads do you see today boasting about the STi's performance in specific terms? How many Subi dealerships give out SCCA memberships? (read: none.) VW's website likely means that in normal, non-abusive driving, a driver can get the car to 60 in 7.3 seconds. Car and Driver, and other magazines, use 5k rpm clutch drops, tire heating techniques, and all kinds of transmission-poppin tactics to get their numbers.
wow good info? http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif #11 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (VarLordahl) yup, but it's still underestimates hp and a number of other factors as well, whereas other manfactures try to squeeze every last cent of hp and 0-60 times out of thier cars to give stupid buyers the "impression" that thier cars are much faster than the compeition. #12 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (tivs31) Perfectly said Var #13 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (VarLordahl)
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Yeah. You're all wrong. German car companies are NOTORIOUS for underrating their automobiles. First, most German companies test 0-100km/h. That equates roughly to 0-62.5 miles per hour. With each mph equivalent to about 1/10 of a second in a 6.00 second 0-60 car, that means that to convert 0-100 km/h to mph/h, you actually should deduct about .2 seconds. I.E. VW's time of 7.5s should be reduced to about 7.3s. That said, it is still underrated. There are other factors, probably legal. If VW advertises a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds - they'd have to do clutch drops, etc.. to get it. If someone where to try to duplicate this (and we all know how good we vortexers are at htis type of duplication ) and blow the clutch, VW could be sued for products liability. As a litigant, you would argue that since VW advertised on their website that the 0-60 time of their automobile was 6.5 seconds, and the only way to accomplish that feat was absive driving, then abusive driving was a forseeable use of the vehicle. Therefore, the clutch shouldn't have blown and VW should be liable for all damages incurred. A similar suit was brough against Subaru when the WRX was released. Subi advertised 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and gave out free SCCA memberships. However, people's trannies began exploding. Soon there was a class action suit. THey alleged (rightfully so) that since Subaru had signed them up for a racing league, and had advertised the car as a sports car capable of performning featst aht were only feasible with huge clutch drops, that such use was forseeable and therefore should be covered under an implied warranty of merchantability. I never did hear the outcome of that case, but suffice to say, how many ads do you see today boasting about the STi's performance in specific terms? How many Subi dealerships give out SCCA memberships? (read: none.) VW's website likely means that in normal, non-abusive driving, a driver can get the car to 60 in 7.3 seconds. Car and Driver, and other magazines, use 5k rpm clutch drops, tire heating techniques, and all kinds of transmission-poppin tactics to get their numbers.
close but you left out one crucial element of proof: the use of the vehicle has to be a reasonably foreseeable use of the product another important part of a lawsuit such as the one you mentioned (which would not be a products liability case but actually a breach of implied warranty which is a contract cause of action) is that you have to prove a reasonable reliance on the promise. Very difficult to prove, especially when there is a team of Harvard lawyers staring down the barrel at you. Chances are VW underrated the performance of its vehicles for the same reasons companies have been doing it for years, Insurance Premiums. Insurance companies aren't stupid and they take into consideration the performance capabilities of the vehicles they insure when they issue premium estimates. A 7.5 sec (or 7.3) estimate puts the car much closer to the 'middle' class than a 6.5 sec rating (albeit more accurate) which would get it dangerously close to the class A or 5.5-6.5 general rating (very pricey $$) #14 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (boostin2002)
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close but you left out one crucial element of proof: the use of the vehicle has to be a reasonably foreseeable use of the product another important part of a lawsuit such as the one you mentioned (which would not be a products liability case but actually a breach of implied warranty which is a contract cause of action) is that you have to prove a reasonable reliance on the promise. Very difficult to prove, especially when there is a team of Harvard lawyers staring down the barrel at you. Chances are VW underrated the performance of its vehicles for the same reasons companies have been doing it for years, Insurance Premiums. Insurance companies aren't stupid and they take into consideration the performance capabilities of the vehicles they insure when they issue premium estimates. A 7.5 sec (or 7.3) estimate puts the car much closer to the 'middle' class than a 6.5 sec rating (albeit more accurate) which would get it dangerously close to the class A or 5.5-6.5 general rating (very pricey $$)
Without getting into a lega debate with you, I realized I left elements out for simplicity's sake. and yes, I realized that breach of warranty and product liability are 2 separate causes of action. The point I was making, at the very least, was that VW doesn't want to encourage reckless dirivng for any number of liability reasons. I personally believe this is why VW underrates their cars and dealerships are so quick to jump to the (almost as if VW told them to say this...) "THese cars are not sports cars and shouldn't be driven like sports cars." And yes, there was a mass class action suit against Subaru on a products liability basis as well as a contracts basis. I believe that Subi just settled the damn thing - but you'll notice Subaru no longer prints performance numbers in ads, nor do they give out SCCA registrations. You could be right about the insurance thing, but I doubt it. From a sales standpoint, VW would be much better off actually claiming that their GTi is faster than a comparable Civic, Toyota, BMW, or what have you. I find it hard to believe that prospective insurance savings for the buyer plays a huge role in this, especially since most buyer's aren't intelligent enough to enough check varying insurance rates between perspective purchases. #15 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (VarLordahl) this thread is ghey http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif #16 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (boostin2002)
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close but you left out one crucial element of proof: the use of the vehicle has to be a reasonably foreseeable use of the product another important part of a lawsuit such as the one you mentioned (which would not be a products liability case but actually a breach of implied warranty which is a contract cause of action) is that you have to prove a reasonable reliance on the promise. Very difficult to prove, especially when there is a team of Harvard lawyers staring down the barrel at you.
Oh, and it's really not so difficult to envision. If you advertise the car as a performance vehicle, and back that advertisement up with hard statistical figures - it only stands to reason that an expected user would expect to be able to duplicate those figures. It's entirely reasonable for a person to rely on a manufacturer's specs of a car in their usage of the vehicle. You rely on things like fuel capacity, maintenance intervals, etc... Why not performance numbers? Insert Quotes Post Reply
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or they are goin to 60 kph instead of 60 mph 
#3 · Feb 19, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (toooofastforu) 
#6 · Feb 19, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (ea187) 
but thanks 
#7 · Feb 19, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (toooofastforu) 
VW's numbers are very underrated #8 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (CQ DX) all cars times are normally off unless there like mustangs and vettes where they are made for speed then they are tested out the ass for more precis readings. Cause i mean like ferri's and **** normally you can't get better then the times listed ormally when it is bone stock at all #9 · Feb 20, 2006 Re: 24V VR6 GTI tested 0-60 in 6.5 secs?! (Cptmorgemaker) Yeah. You're all wrong. German car companies are NOTORIOUS for underrating their automobiles. First, most German companies test 0-100km/h. That equates roughly to 0-62.5 miles per hour. With each mph equivalent to about 1/10 of a second in a 6.00 second 0-60 car, that means that to convert 0-100 km/h to mph/h, you actually should deduct about .2 seconds. I.E. VW's time of 7.5s should be reduced to about 7.3s. That said, it is still underrated. There are other factors, probably legal. If VW advertises a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds - they'd have to do clutch drops, etc.. to get it. If someone where to try to duplicate this (and we all know how good we vortexers are at htis type of duplication 
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