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Which of the following dual kits would be "best" to choose if not overclocking? CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 CMK16GX4M2Z3600C18 3600MHZ C18 CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 3200MHZ C16 Would either of these be "safe" to buy if not on the QVL?
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Neo Cyrus Ancient Guru
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It's generally safe to use something not on the QVL list but don't expect the full performance you would get otherwise... as for which one, it depends on what the rest of the system is. Since you're aiming for 2x8GB, it shouldn't be too hard to find something on the QVL list.
Neo Cyrus, Apr 26, 2022 #2
Freeman Master Guru
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testcy said: ↑
Which of the following dual kits would be "best" to choose if not overclocking? CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 CMK16GX4M2Z3600C18 3600MHZ C18 CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 3200MHZ C16 Would either of these be "safe" to buy if not on the QVL?Click to expand...
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x 8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 CMK16GX4M2D3600C16 I got this with CL16. On first boot its 2130mhz, with XMP 3600mhz. Not sure about ''if not on QVL''.
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ibizadr Member Guru
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You need to see which one of them have b die chips, search about that after that take it and you will take 3600 CL 16 easy
ibizadr, Apr 27, 2022 #4
testcy Guest

ibizadr said: ↑
You need to see which one of them have B-Die chips, search about that after that take it and you will take 3600 CL 16 easyClick to expand...
I can't find any confirmation that these have B-Die, does anyone know what die they have?
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Freeman Master Guru
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testcy said: ↑
I can't find any confirmation that these have b die, does anyone know what die they have?Click to expand...
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
Freeman, Apr 28, 2022 #6
testcy Guest

Freeman said: ↑
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/Click to expand...
I already searched and they are not listed, so the question about their die remains. I found PVS416G400C9K and PVS416G400C6K, but these are 4000Mhz and more expensive.
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ibizadr Member Guru
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Why you go to corsair? Gskill was one of the best ram brands with most of them kits come with B-die. Try to find some gskill 3200 c14 or 3600 c14.
ibizadr, Apr 28, 2022 #8
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ibizadr said: ↑
Why you go to corsair? Gskill was one of the best ram brands with most of them kits come with B-die. Try to find some gskill 3200 c14 or 3600 c14.Click to expand...
Not necessarily, Corsair are just like Gskill, they speed bin their RAM modules, two kits can be rated the same but use different ICs (and at worst, ram modules can even have different ICs within the same kit, or even on the same module though the latter is very rare to happen and only typically happens on value budget RAM). Why do I say this? It happened to me, I got some GSkill 3600MHz CL16 ram, reportedly was supposed to be B-die ram, turns out I landed Hynix DJR ram (and I used the bdie finder as well).
Truder, Apr 28, 2022 #9
testcy Guest

ibizadr said: ↑
Why you go to corsair? Gskill was one of the best ram brands with most of them kits come with B-die. Try to find some gskill 3200 c14 or 3600 c14.Click to expand...
I have been using Corsair for years with no problems. From what I saw, 3200 C14 and 3600 C14 are too expensive. What about 3200 C16 such as the one in the link below? https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/184/1536110922/F4-3200C16D-32GVK-QVL
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Truder Ancient Guru
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testcy said: ↑
From what I saw, 3200 C14 and 3600 C14 are too expensive. What about 3200 C16 such as the one in the link below? https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/184/1536110922/F4-3200C16D-32GVK-QVLClick to expand...
Those timings look indicative of Hynix CJR or JJR - if you're going to go with the cheaper stuff, go with 3600 C18
Truder, Apr 28, 2022 #11
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Truder said: ↑
Those timings look indicative of Hynix CJR or JJR - if you're going to go with the cheaper stuff, go with 3600 C18Click to expand...
Such as CMK16GX4M2Z3600C18?
testcy, Apr 28, 2022 #12
ibizadr Member Guru
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Try to find some 16 16 16 ram kit
ibizadr, Apr 28, 2022 #13
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@testcy When truth meets reality is the ram stuff is bs,normal people being tricked by bs is all propaganda to me. I actually only 4K PC Game so any BIOS is fine and any CPU clocks and Ram is fine.I do run all core overclocks up to 5600Mhz when PC gaming but truth is I get same FPS at 4900Mhz - 5600Mhz and changing Ram G1 CL14 4000Mhz to G2 CL17 4000Mhz is the same,it is all for E-peen but real world difference there is none. P-Core 5300Mhz Vs P-Core 4900Mhz E-Core 4000Mhz E-Core 3700Mhz Ring 4200Mhz Ring default 3600Mhz 1920x1080 Avg 96.94 Vs 96.03 Min 77.15 75.66 Max 123.98 123.57 Stop being fooled by people here some older stuff,with actual memory settings.Low resolutions and I could post 50 videos EG YouTube
bobnewels, Apr 29, 2022 #14 Freeman likes this.
Valken Ancient Guru
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@bobnewels - Can you show Min and 1% with both RAM? The whole point of faster RAM with lower latency in gear 1 is to uplift that, not necessarily peak FPS.
Valken, Apr 29, 2022 #15 bobnewels likes this.
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Valken said: ↑
@bobnewels - Can you show Min and 1% with both RAM? The whole point of faster RAM with lower latency in gear 1 is to uplift that, not necessarily peak FPS.Click to expand...
I sure could with 1%lows Would you like video like in post #14 showing 1% lows or a different video showing 1% lows. Tell me exactly what you would like to see and I will do it.
bobnewels, Apr 29, 2022 #16 Valken and Freeman like this.
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I sure could with 1%lows Would you like video like in post #14 showing 1% lows or a different video showing 1% lows. Tell me exactly what you would like to see and I will do it.Click to expand...
Regarding RAM, I only want to see 1% lows, Min , average and peak FPS. We want to see how close 1% to average really is ideally above 60 FPS.
Valken, Apr 30, 2022 #17
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@testcy Have you decided on what you are actually going to buy yet for system,GPU.If you list you are buying Intel DDR4 or AMD DDR4 or you going with Intel DDR5,maybe someone can give you a better answer. Also sorry to be throwing out some benchmarks and taking over the thread when your looking for answers. I am 99% assuming your looking for the cheap side for the new PC Gear and Ram purchase will not really make a big difference and the DDR4 Ram 3600Mhz CL14 expensive ,CL16 cheaper,CL18 cheapest should be fine for your needs. Now if you only play one game at low resolutions on lowest setting then Ram would make a difference Valken said: ↑
Regarding RAM, I only want to see 1% lows, Min , average and peak FPS. We want to see how close 1% to average really is ideally above 60 FPS.Click to expand...
Well thanks for the reply,I am sure you seen the video before but I took a screen shot. In the video it has all the Ram timing settings at end of video ,voltages and 0.1%low,1%low,avg,real time fps are shown in video. I left out minimum/maximun fps readings because I get these comments about minimum/maximun fps do not mean anything .I can only show what I done.I get that it may be hard to read.Top part of video is live recording and bottom part is the raw data by Msi afterburner results I added after in editing the video. As you also may know live recording the games/benchmarks in real time results can be up to 10%-15% lower than a capture card and inconsistent across many runs of games/benchmarks. I am not trying to be Ram preacher b ut I do try at times to help some people out After a couple years when the video posted was done I did not save nor include min,max msi recorded data.AMD has the biggest crap about how ram affects performance. I say tune the Ram and your good. Msi results at end of benchmark AMD 3800X 2933Mhz vs 3866Mhz 1920x1080 2933Mhz vs 3866Mhz AVG Pass 6 112.6 FPS vs 114.5 FPS 1% LOW 73 FPS vs 1% LOW 76 FPS
bobnewels, Apr 30, 2022 #18 Valken and Freeman like this.
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Truder said: ↑
Those timings look indicative of Hynix CJR or JJR - if you're going to go with the cheaper stuff, go with 3600 C18Click to expand...
Is CJR, JJR or anything else from Hynix really bad? bobnewels said: ↑
Have you decided on what you are actually going to buy yet for system,GPU.If you list you are buying Intel DDR4 or AMD DDR4 or you going with Intel DDR5,maybe someone can give you a better answerClick to expand...
I have a few choices in mind, but I have not decided yet and this is why I am asking about buying something not on the QVL.
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Truder Ancient Guru
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testcy said: ↑
Is CJR, JJR or anything else from Hynix bad? I have a few choices in mind, but I have not decided yet and this is why I am asking about buying something not on the QVL.Click to expand...
I had a bad experience with 32GB 3200MHz CL16 JJR ram with my 3700X. Random times my computer wouldn't start up and I had to reseat the ram to get it going again and eventually, the ram actually died. I've got 32GB 3600MHz CL16 DJR ram now and I have no problems with stability at all now
Truder, May 1, 2022 #20