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| 02-21-2018, 11:21 AM | #1 |
| smkuma New Member 23Rep 23Posts Drives: Lexus ES 300 Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: USA iTrader: (0) | Buying new 2018 X5 vs new 2018 X3 I am thinking to buy new 2018 X3 with Premium package and Driver Assistance package. I am also wondering if it is worth it to buy new 2018 X5 with Premium package and Driver Assistance package instead for about $8000 more. While me and my wife do not really need a bigger vehicle as we own Honda Odyssey. But I am attracted to X5's 6 cylinder engine compared to 4 cylinder engine in X3. Does X5 comes with HUD, navigation, Panaromic moon roof as standard. Also does X5 drives smoother compared to X3. I believe X3 is completely redesigned new generation vehicle starting 2018. Is that case with X5 too? Please help me justify the rationale if/ why should I stick with X3 instead of X5 or vice-versa |
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| 02-21-2018, 11:31 AM | #2 |
greg2step X3 Owner/Driver   214Rep 785Posts Drives: 2018 X3 M40i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Baltimore, Maryland, USA iTrader: (0) Garage List2018 BMW X3 M40i (G01) [0.00] | new X5 i believe is due out 2019 I had one as a loaner few weeks ago when my 2011 X3 was in for air bag recall. its a lot of fun to drive, def bigger than the X3 and heavier. when you figure weight difference performance is comparable. When faced with same question, my decision was much easier, the X5 doesn't really fit in my townhouse garage where as X3 fits nicely  pretty sure i am ordering a new X3 soon. __________________ 2018 X3 M40i G01 | Phytonic Blue | Mocha | Premium+Exec | Driver Assist | Adaptive M Suspension 2011 X3 XDrive35i F25 l Deep Sea Blue l Mojave Leather l Sport, DHP, Premium, Nav/Technology, Cold Weather, Convenience [traded in] 2008 328XI E91 Sportwagon l Sparkling Graphite [traded in] |
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| 02-21-2018, 12:44 PM | #3 |
Colinv6 Colonel   4168Rep 2,878Posts Drives: 2020 M4 comp, Mexico / Opal Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Scotland iTrader: (0) | I also can’t decide on weather to go for a last of the line X5M, or wait an indefinite period for the new X3M... There’s some big discounts on current X5M in the UK but buying a soon to be replaced model doesn’t sit well with me... |
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| 02-21-2018, 02:14 PM | #4 |
MichiganMike First Lieutenant  153Rep 371Posts Drives: 20 BMW X3 M40 23 BMW X4 M40i Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0) Garage List2023 BMW X4 M40i [0.00]2020 X3 M40i [0.00] | Quote: Originally Posted by smkuma  While me and my wife do not really need a bigger vehicle as we own Honda Odyssey. But I am attracted to X5's 6 cylinder engine compared to 4 cylinder engine in X3. Does X5 comes with HUD, navigation, Panaromic moon roof as standard. Also does X5 drives smoother compared to X3. I believe X3 is completely redesigned new generation vehicle starting 2018. Is that case with X5 too? Please help me justify the rationale if/ why should I stick with X3 instead of X5 or vice-versa | If you prefer the 6 cylinder engine, you can get one in the 2018 X3 M40i. This trim level has received excellent reviews. One writer said: "I think the BMW X3 M40i is the most enjoyable current BMW to drive and that includes M cars like the famous M2." http://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/01/co...review-bmw-x3/ The 2018 X3 was redesigned this year. Production of the current X5 will end in July 2018 and a redesigned 2019 X5 will arrive later in the year. http://www.bmwblog.com/2018/01/13/ne...hird-row-seat/ |
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| 02-21-2018, 03:54 PM | #5 |
| RCtennis3811 Lieutenant 493Rep 539Posts Drives: N/A Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0) | What do you really need a 6-cylinder for that a turbo 4 cannot do these days? For most people, it's enough. If you're looking for a top-notch more than an SUV driving experience, then by all means get the amazing X3 M40i; just know it's more expensive than what you're looking for. But if you're looking for a regular 6-cylinder X5 vs a regular 4-cylinder X3, just get the X3. |
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| 02-22-2018, 01:55 PM | #6 |
| MichiganMike First Lieutenant 153Rep 371Posts Drives: 20 BMW X3 M40 23 BMW X4 M40i Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0) Garage List2023 BMW X4 M40i [0.00]2020 X3 M40i [0.00] | Quote: | Originally Posted by RCtennis3811 What do you really need a 6-cylinder for that a turbo 4 cannot do these days? | The B48 turbocharged 4 cylinder is a fine engine, but it does not make a great exhaust note and lacks the linear power delivery of the B58 I-6 engine. Some suggest the B48 sounds like a tractor engine. http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1325101 In contrast, the BMW in-line 6 cylinder engine is legendary for its smooth performance and lack of NVH. The B58 engine has received almost universal praise. In my opinion, the I-6 engine greatly enhances the driving experience. http://wardsauto.com/engines/bmw-s-n...ts-even-better |
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| 02-22-2018, 05:48 PM | #7 |
| RCtennis3811 Lieutenant 493Rep 539Posts Drives: N/A Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by MichiganMike The B48 turbocharged 4 cylinder is a fine engine, but it does not make a great exhaust note and lacks the linear power delivery of the B58 I-6 engine. Some suggest the B48 sounds like a tractor engine. http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1325101 In contrast, the BMW in-line 6 cylinder engine is legendary for its smooth performance and lack of NVH. The B58 engine has received almost universal praise. In my opinion, the I-6 engine greatly enhances the driving experience. http://wardsauto.com/engines/bmw-s-n...ts-even-better | For the average owner, especially the OP who is trying to stay within a set budget , there's no reason to think the 4-cylinder turbo won't perform just as good as the 6-cylinder for his needs. For a set price point, he's better off getting an X3 xDrive30i with some options than a comparably priced X5 s/xDrive35i for the same price if the main concern is I4 vs I6. |
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| 02-22-2018, 09:25 PM | #8 |
| edcrane Second Lieutenant 102Rep 200Posts Drives: M235i, X3 M40i Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by RCtennis3811 For the average owner, especially the OP who is trying to stay within a set budget , there's no reason to think the 4-cylinder turbo won't perform just as good as the 6-cylinder for his needs. For a set price point, he's better off getting an X3 xDrive30i with some options than a comparably priced X5 s/xDrive35i for the same price if the main concern is I4 vs I6. | I was an average owener that bought a 2015 x3 with the 4 cylinder (N20) and after subsequebtly experiencing the I6 in the m235i (N54) grew to strongly dislike the 4 cylinder to the point that I just couldn’t bring myself to drive the X3 if there were any option at all. The diesel like clattering and labored feeling when you pass at higher speeds just was not super pleasant. They may have addressed some of this with the new 4 cylinder. But given that OP has interest in I6, I’d encourage him to try an M40i if that’s within the realm of the possible. |
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| 02-23-2018, 02:41 AM | #9 |
| RCtennis3811 Lieutenant 493Rep 539Posts Drives: N/A Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by edcrane I was an average owener that bought a 2015 x3 with the 4 cylinder (N20) and after subsequebtly experiencing the I6 in the m235i (N54) grew to strongly dislike the 4 cylinder to the point that I just couldn’t bring myself to drive the X3 if there were any option at all. The diesel like clattering and labored feeling when you pass at higher speeds just was not super pleasant. They may have addressed some of this with the new 4 cylinder. But given that OP has interest in I6, I’d encourage him to try an M40i if that’s within the realm of the possible. | I hated the N20; went with an Audi Q5 2.0T over the old X3. This time around, the new I4 in the X3, plus the added sound insulation on the new model, makes it pretty quiet for what it is. Frankly, OP is looking at an $8K difference between an X3 with what he wants "but only" with a 4-cylinder vs an X5 the way he wants. Is an 8K price difference for the two models really justifiable? Probably not, considering neither is an M-performance model. |
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| 02-23-2018, 03:40 AM | #10 |
OJ MINI Private  66Rep 61Posts Drives: M3 G80 X-Drive Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Czech iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by Colinv6 I also can’t decide on weather to go for a last of the line X5M, or wait an indefinite period for the new X3M... There’s some big discounts on current X5M in the UK but buying a soon to be replaced model doesn’t sit well with me... | Hi, same here in Czech. Big discounts on X5M but I tell you man. Definitely wait for the X3M it will be absolute blast. Based on how M40i drives. The real M thing will be top-notch experience. And I will envy you with my M40i  |
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| 02-23-2018, 09:38 AM | #11 |
| MichiganMike First Lieutenant 153Rep 371Posts Drives: 20 BMW X3 M40 23 BMW X4 M40i Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0) Garage List2023 BMW X4 M40i [0.00]2020 X3 M40i [0.00] | Quote: | Originally Posted by RCtennis3811 For the average owner, especially the OP who is trying to stay within a set budget , there's no reason to think the 4-cylinder turbo won't perform just as good as the 6-cylinder for his needs. For a set price point, he's better off getting an X3 xDrive30i with some options than a comparably priced X5 s/xDrive35i for the same price if the main concern is I4 vs I6. | I see this differently. The OP was considering buying the X5 for $8K more than the X3 and asked for input. It does not appear the OP's budget is limited to a set price, but value for the money is a consideration. While $8K is a significant amount of money, it is only about 15% of the vehicle purchase price. At this point in life, I am willing to pay this type of premium to get a car I will enjoy for the next several years rather than compromise. YMMV. My priorities are such that I would pick the newly redesigned G01 X3 over the soon to be replaced F15 X5. I fully expect that the G05 X5 when introduced later this year will be a significant upgrade in technology and handling, so buying an outdated F15 X5 model at this point in the cycle is not appealing to me. Plus, I do not need the space in the X5 and find its larger size detracts from my driving experience. The comfort seats available in the X5 are appealing, but not enough to justify other trade-offs and additional expense. I have owned three BMWs with an inline 6, a 2003 530i with N52 engine, a 2010 535i wagon with the N54 engine and a 2016 X3 35i with the N55 engine. Even my wife, who sees cars primarily as transportation, loved the smooth and linear power of the in-line 6 to the point where she drives her own X3 35i. I have taken test drives in 2016 and 2018 X3 vehicles with the N20 and B48 4 cylinder turbo and felt something important was missing from the driving experience in each vehicle. While the 6 cylinder X3 costs more to own and operate, some of this premium will likely to be recovered when the the vehicle is sold or traded. I am willing to pay a premium for the 6 cylinder engine in the X3, but acknowledge that others may have different priorities or budgetary constraints. |
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| 02-23-2018, 11:51 AM | #12 |
kozzi Pygocentrus Piraya  971Rep 1,011Posts Drives: 2021 BMW X3MC Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (0) Garage List2021 BMW X3MC [9.50] | Quote: | Originally Posted by smkuma I am thinking to buy new 2018 X3 with Premium package and Driver Assistance package. I am also wondering if it is worth it to buy new 2018 X5 with Premium package and Driver Assistance package instead for about $8000 more. While me and my wife do not really need a bigger vehicle as we own Honda Odyssey. But I am attracted to X5's 6 cylinder engine compared to 4 cylinder engine in X3. Does X5 comes with HUD, navigation, Panaromic moon roof as standard. Also does X5 drives smoother compared to X3. I believe X3 is completely redesigned new generation vehicle starting 2018. Is that case with X5 too? Please help me justify the rationale if/ why should I stick with X3 instead of X5 or vice-versa | If you have not done so, go and test drive the X3 M40i and come back to report. When it is all said and done, if space is not an issue for you....X3 M40i all the way. It is not even close from the tech/features that come standard to performance and driving dynamics on the X3 M40i. I am sure you can get some great deals on the current generation X5 but I bet you would be surprised at which one comes in less expensive. Good Luck! __________________ kozzi  2021 BMW X3MC Donington Grey Metallic / Sakhir Orange & Black Extended Merino Leather / Aluminum Carbon Structure |
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| 02-23-2018, 04:09 PM | #13 |
perry8912 Second Lieutenant  102Rep 239Posts Drives: bmw x5 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Calgary, AB iTrader: (0) | space differences, X1 https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/x-mo...fications.html X3 https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/x-mo...fications.html X5 https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/x-mo...fications.html From x1 to x5, shoulder room are the only main difference, the rest( legroom and head room) are not that important.... |
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| 02-23-2018, 04:30 PM | #14 |
woodchuck1 Private First Class  19Rep 181Posts Drives: 2013 X3 X-drive 35i Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0) | Re: 4 vs 6 cylinder. I just had a 2018 X1 service loaner with the same 4 cylinder as the X3 for a few days. It felt like a slug compared to my 6 cylinder 2013 X3 35i. There's no comparison. My opinion is that the silky smooth 6 almost doubles the driving pleasure. My wife, on the other hand, couldn't care less which engine she had. Smooth, well balanced inline 6s were nearly the identity of BMW for decades. They were their claim to fame. I was surprised when they went heavily to 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury models like the 5 series. Stuff changes. Two liter turbo 4s are almost the universal engine these days. |
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| 02-23-2018, 04:53 PM | #15 |
| woodchuck1 Private First Class 19Rep 181Posts Drives: 2013 X3 X-drive 35i Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by RCtennis3811 Frankly, OP is looking at an $8K difference between an X3 with what he wants "but only" with a 4-cylinder vs an X5 the way he wants. Is an 8K price difference for the two models really justifiable? Probably not, considering neither is an M-performance model. | The MSRP of a base X3 M40i is $11,800 more than the MSRP of the X3 30i. That's a rather hefty $3950 for each additional cylinder!  Seriously, you really have to want that engine to order an M40i unless you're laundering money for the Russians and you don't care about value. It is a very, very nice engine though. |
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| 02-23-2018, 04:53 PM | #16 |
| cvee Second Lieutenant 153Rep 214Posts Drives: New BMW X3 Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Australia iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by woodchuck1 Re: 4 vs 6 cylinder. I just had a 2018 X1 service loaner with the same 4 cylinder as the X3 for a few days. It felt like a slug compared to my 6 cylinder 2013 X3 35i. There's no comparison. My opinion is that the silky smooth 6 almost doubles the driving pleasure. My wife, on the other hand, couldn't care less which engine she had. Smooth, well balanced inline 6s were nearly the identity of BMW for decades. They were their claim to fame. I was surprised when they went heavily to 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury models like the 5 series. Stuff changes. Two liter turbo 4s are almost the universal engine these days. | Apart from the fact that smaller engines today have a lot of power with turbo etc, the other factor is economy AND emissions. There may come a time when emission standards are so strict that a 6cyl engine will be unworkable. |
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| 02-23-2018, 04:57 PM | #17 |
| woodchuck1 Private First Class 19Rep 181Posts Drives: 2013 X3 X-drive 35i Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by woodchuck1 The MSRP of a base X3 M40i is $11,800 more than the MSRP of the X3 30i. That's a rather hefty $3950 for each additional cylinder! Seriously, you really have to want that engine to order an M40i unless you're laundering money for the Russians and you don't care about value. It is a very, very nice engine though. | Sorry, math error. That's $5900 per additional cylinder. Good thing I'm not doing taxes. |
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| 02-23-2018, 05:08 PM | #18 |
Max Well Colonel  5135Rep 2,660Posts Drives: '22 BG X3MC, '20 BSM X3MC Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Southeast USA iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by cvee Apart from the fact that smaller engines today have a lot of power with turbo etc, the other factor is economy AND emissions. There may come a time when emission standards are so strict that a 6cyl engine will be unworkable. | Apologies in advance as my Physics knowledge has diminished over the years. But if mpg is similar between 2 vehicles, does it not imply that the same amount of petrol has been used to derive the energy needed to propel the vehicle? And shouldn't the emissions from said units of petrol be identical, whether it is a 4- or 6- or 8- or 12- cylinder engine? I ask this in earnest, as I just don't see how that would be possible, that two vehicles could have the same economy in exactly the same conditions of speed, acceleration, road grade, tire pressure, ... yet have different emissions? |
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| 02-23-2018, 08:01 PM | #19 |
| edcrane Second Lieutenant 102Rep 200Posts Drives: M235i, X3 M40i Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by woodchuck1 The MSRP of a base X3 M40i is $11,800 more than the MSRP of the X3 30i. That's a rather hefty $3950 for each additional cylinder! Seriously, you really have to want that engine to order an M40i unless you're laundering money for the Russians and you don't care about value. It is a very, very nice engine though. | When the 30i is similarly equipped, the delta drops to something like $6k -- i.e., 11k doesn't just give you a better engine, you also get, among other things, substantially better brakes. If you're focusing just on the engine, I think $6k is a bargain for something like a 50% increase in HP and torque. Even at $11k, if you disregard the other stuff you're getting, I think it's a pretty good deal. That said, some folks don't care at all about power or engine feeling, so maybe for them it wouldn't be worth any upcharge. I don't personally know why those folks would be drawn to BMW in the first instance, but I'm sure there are some out there. |
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| 03-02-2018, 01:18 AM | #20 |
antixian Enlisted Member  8Rep 41Posts Drives: car Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: streets of compton iTrader: (0) Garage List2003 Nissan 350z [0.00]2006 BMW 330i [0.00]2017 BMW X3 xDrive 35i [0.00] | i just bought a 2017 x3 35i and i test drove a 2018 30i. i can definitely feel the difference in power and i got a retired loaner with 7500 miles on it. i saved 15k easily and have every option except adaptive cruise control and m sport. i am in love with this inline 6 cylinder and it really gets up when you floor it. i think it is pretty weak that they have the 2018 as a 4 cylinder or for 15k more you can get the base m40i which is 6 cylinder, and thats with no sweet upgrades. the price difference does not seem justified to me because i didnt want to spend close to 70k and its really not that great of a difference. also something i noticed about the 2018 30i was the idle engine noise - on the one we looked at it sounded like a knocking sorta noise like a diesel but it wasnt since it was a gas engine. i dont hear that on the one i bought. i love the 2018 redesign of the backend cargo area with all the super useful and well thought out changes/conveniences (as well as the cool ambient lighting). my suggestion if you want the inline 6 cylinder go with a 2017 35i and save some money. but goodluck finding a good deal on one as they seem harder to find. Last edited by antixian; 03-02-2018 at 12:49 PM.. Reason: remembered some stuff |
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| 03-02-2018, 08:11 AM | #21 |
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| 03-02-2018, 09:00 AM | #22 |
jjl First Lieutenant  241Rep 381Posts Drives: '24 Porsche Macan S Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by antixian i think it is pretty weak that they have the 2018 as a 4 cylinder or for 15k more you can get the base m40i which is v6, and thats with no sweet upgrades. the price difference does not seem justified to me because i didnt want to spend close to 70k and its really not that great of a difference. | The starting base MSRP difference between the M40i and xDrive30i is $12k, but if you spec the 30i with comparable equipment the difference nets out to closer to $6k. For that extra $6k you get an additional 107hp, M Sport Exhaust, M Sport Brakes, M Sport suspension, variable ratio steering, 19" wheels standard, and, subjectively, a driving experience that is night and day different every time you step in the car. So, to me, no brainer to go with the M40i. But people's priorities and budgets differ, so to each their own. __________________ '24 Macan S Prior: '21 X3 M40i Dark Graphite/Black '18 X3 M40i Carbon Black/Cognac '15 X5 xDrive 30i M Sport Space Gray/Mocha |
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