Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II Review
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Introduction
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82%Overall scoreJump to conclusion Canon's PowerShot G5 X Mark II is a high-end compact camera with a versatile lens, great controls and a modern 1"-type sensor. For a small camera, we find the grip to be generous and secure, and the updated processor combines with the new sensor for some seriously responsive performance. The pop-up electronic viewfinder is a nice touch and the camera also comes with fast burst shooting as well as good-quality 4K video.
Recent VideosIn creating the G5 X Mark II, Canon has clearly taken more design inspiration from the G7 X lineup than the original G5 X. Gone from the old camera is the centrally mounted viewfinder and fully articulating screen, but the new camera is more svelte and pocketable as a result. Plus, Canon has extended the lens' zoom reach while maintaining a fast aperture range, which is a nice bonus. On the not-so-good side of things, for some reason Canon has decided that 24p video recording is unnecessary, there's no microphone jack, some customization options are limited, and the small battery means you'll likely want to carry a spare if you're a heavy shooter.
Key specifications:
- 20MP 1"-type stacked CMOS sensor
- 24-120mm equiv. F1.8-2.8 lens
- Pop-up electronic viewfinder and flash
- Touchscreen tilts up 180° and down 90°
- 8fps burst shooting with autofocus, 30fps Raw burst mode
- 4K/30p, 1080/60p video recording with IS (no 24p options)
- 1080/120p slow motion video with no audio or autofocus
- Wi-Fi + Bluetooth wireless connectivity
- USB 3.1 (with USB-C connector) for data transfer and charging
- 230-shot battery life (180 using the EVF) per CIPA standard
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| Out-of-camera JPEGISO 125 | 1/1000 sec | F4Photo by Jeff Keller |
The G5 X Mark II looks, in many ways, to be a near-ideal travel or family camera for enthusiast photographers that like having a dedicated camera with them at all times - does it live up to this promise? Time to dig in and find out in our full review.
What's new and how it compares
 | The G5 X II looks a lot like a cross between Canon's own G7 X III and Sony's RX100-series - here's how it compares inside and out. Read more |
Body, controls and handling
 | On the G5 X II, Canon's fitted one of the nicest grips we've ever used on such a small camera - but there's more to it. Read more |
Image quality
 | Take a deep-dive into the G5 X II's image quality, including how its lens performs. Read more |
Autofocus, Raw burst and video performance
 | Autofocus and video performance from the G5 X II are pretty good - but are they enough to stand out among strong competition? Read more |
Conclusion
 | Canon's PowerShot G5 X Mark II earns a solid silver award - here's the full story. Read more |
Sample gallery
 | From camping to cats and the occasional dog, we've got a full sample gallery from the G5 X II for your perusal. See the gallery |
- 1 Introduction
- 2 What's new and how it compares
- 3 Body, controls and handling
- 4 Image quality
- 5 Autofocus, Raw burst and video performance
- 6 Conclusion
- 7 Sample gallery
- 8 Specifications
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Lion-O Having to pull the viewfinder out after popping it up is a dealbreaker for me. Also, I've heard that it's easy to accidentally push in, which turns it off. I guess this is an older Sony design. I do like the fast lens, and the grip looks great, but otherwise, this just seems like an inferior Sony RX100. For 900 bucks, I'd expect better.
Like0Sep 20, 2022permalinkPeter in Canberrathis is so unbelievably ugly in comparison to its predecessor ...
Like0May 16, 2021permalinkAndyyyUgly? I think it looks great. At least Canon knows how to align perfectly the flash and EVF "cuts", something always bothered me on Sony's.
Like2Apr 16, 2023permalinkNed Heeger-BrehmDoes anyone have any information on the possibility of shooting while charging from an external battery? I am interested in doing long star time lapse photos in the backcountry. I don’t understand why this couldn’t be supported using the USB-C port with PD. If anyone has a connection at Canon I think this would be a big improvement and a leapfrog over the Sony RX100 line which I believe does not support it either.
Like0Feb 28, 2021permalinkNYCman530Trying to figure out why DP Review gave the G5X ll a lower low light score on the graph than the Panasonic ZS200, which has a slower lens.
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Rambow .... Because the sensor is performing worse even with the bright lens??
Like3Jun 21, 2020*permalink
cute_girl_emily In the table on page 2, it'd make more sense to highlight the G7X's nonexistent viewfinder in red, rather than the LX100's field sequential type, since you can always choose not to use it on the LX100.
Like4May 6, 2020permalink
paolobenve Canon had to squeeze out the lens + sensor system in order to get the 5x zoom: raw images at 8.8mm show black corners, and they are not in the jpg because of the stretching applied with len correction.
This explains why the photos taken at the wide angle focal lenght present a quite significant distortion at their corners.
A 8.8mm (24 mm equivalent) raw photo is usable without lens correction only cropping out of it a good 30%.
Like0Jan 4, 2020permalinkmaniquetI’m now testing the Fuji XF 10. Don’t like the handling and controls. But unlike the G5, the pictures are way above those taken with my iPhone. In other words I hate it but I love the pictures coming out of it.
Like0Dec 21, 2019permalinkmaniquetCanon GX 5 mk IIAfter three months of use...I still find that this camera offers the most pleasant feeling in hand and best control set up (specialy the wonderfully responsive touch sceen) that I’ve ever had in hand.BUT...Being accustomed to the look of the pictures coming out of my Fuji cameras, specialy the X-T30, I’ve come to admit that not one single picture I took with the GX5, happened to struck me. Not even close. No magic! In other words, no keepers.While I understand the fact the sensors are in different sizes an classes, I remember having been charmed with images out of cameras equipped with even smaller sensor. Not to mention that the Canon is as expensive as an X-T30!
IQ is a technical category of jugement in the photography world. It refers to something specific. But a lovely picture, a picture that delights your eyes and mind, is something that is not entierly thechnicaly explainable. And it is something my little Canon is not able to give me.
Like2Dec 21, 2019permalink
Fiduratur Thanks a lot! I was looking for THAT comparison.As a Fuji shooter I'll keep my money and continue to enjoy my X-T2 and X70.Still waiting for a true X30 successor with 1" sensor...
Like4Dec 21, 2019permalink
Yannis1976 Maybe you need to shoot RAW and dedicate more time into PP? I am also a Fuji user, but the G5X II has many advantages for a small size, take everywhere camera...
Like5May 16, 2020permalinkmaniquetSold it long ago and no regret. Replaced with the Fuji XF10. For half the price and every picture is a keeper.
Like0May 21, 2020permalinkTrivets12I am interested to read your opinion. I use a Canon RP but would love something even smaller which leads me to Fuji. I would be buying a used body and prime. What lens do you use on your xt30?
Like0Oct 7, 2022permalinkPhilyOne nice trick of the g5x II is its electronic ND filter which can be left to engage automatically if you fancy both a shallow depth of field and a slow speed in bright day light
Like1Dec 5, 2019permalinkBenjamin JehneIt's a real ND filter, not an electronic. But yes, this thing helps a lot. :)
Like2Dec 27, 2019permalinkargumonUsing the compare tool to compare the G5Xm2 with the LX10, for high-ISO RAW it looks like the G5Xm2 shows significant less noise. From the pictures, I would say that the noise level of the LX10 at ISO1600 better matches the G5Xm2 at ISO3200, than having both on ISO3200.It is hard to believe, that one of two similar spec'ed cameras differ that much in noise performance. Both ISO3200 are shot at f/4.0, but the Canon at 1/2500, the Panasonic at 1/1250. Not sure what that means, could anyone pls explain? Thx
Like2Oct 11, 2019permalink
Lucas_ Does this Canon uses Sony's the famous 1" sensor from the RX100 xx ... series?
Like0Sep 30, 2019permalinkBenjamin JehneYes, it does.
Like1Nov 21, 2019permalinkaegarciaI read elsewhere the comment that camera makers of 1" cameras are targeting the same consumers. False. Canon with the G5x iii is targeting consumers with $800 to spend while Sony with RX100 vii have consumers who have $1200 to spend. I for one do not even bother looking up the features of a $5000 cameras because not having that kind of money for a camera I would just be wasting my time. As I said before, comparison must be apples with apples. Its common sense that for $1200 one gets a better AF system than if one only had $500.
Like7Sep 28, 2019permalinkChristos CloudIf you look at the features of a $5000 camera and later you find some of them at a $800 camera, this would be some important information.
Like1Oct 18, 2019permalinkLucas_ Features performance and/or reliability on cheaper cameras sometimes are rather limited.
Like0Nov 21, 2019*permalinkperry rhodanIm at a loss here. This canon is substantially better in IQ compared to any RX100(x). By a very larger margin. Its miles better. It completely trounced the Sony's. Mind you I have the RXIV. Recently sold the g5x(1) because of the so-so lens and lack of speed. Still find it stupid the canon lost the hotshoe, fully articulating screen and the sturdy EVF. But the IQ is certainly there. GAS, 😁
In the comparing DPR bars the sony RX100IV JPEG is better then this canon. While the RAWS are equal. Serious?
Like4Sep 27, 2019*permalinkYannis1976 I have had several 1" cameras including the G7X I and II, the LX10 and the RX100 III and VI. In my case the Sony lenses were the sharpest and RAW IQ the best from Sony. In the end however I didn't keep any 1" camera...
Like1May 16, 2020permalinkRambow Extremely difficult to believe, since:1. The canon design is obviously copying the rx100.2. It uses a sony sensor.3. Lens performance looks to be streched to the limit in order to provide more zoom.4. In terms of performance, the rx100 series are the reference cameras in the compact camera segment since 2012, despite their high price and other companies' attempts at challenging that.
As a side note, the macro performance of the canon lens seems to be better than what a rx100 would provide. Canon colors/WB are also more accurate.
Like2Jun 21, 2020permalinkmferenczPhone cameras haven't made this extinct yet?
Like0Sep 24, 2019permalinkLucas_ Naahhh!!
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LoneTree1 Panasonic LX100 II has better image quality, it looks like.
Like2Sep 22, 2019permalink
BrentSchumer ..and isn't pocketable...and has less zoom...and is a different product segment.
A cheap mirrorless and good prime are better than the LX100, but that would also be missing the point.
Like9Sep 23, 2019permalinkLoneTree1 A cheap mirrorless and good prime are better than just about every P&S I can think of.
Like3Sep 23, 2019permalinkBrentSchumer Except for size, which is the whole point of compact cameras. Also, that good prime is worthless if the user needs zoom.
Like7Sep 23, 2019permalinkLoneTree1 If they combined a Panasonic GM5 with a Pentax DA 40 f/2.8 XS? I wish.https://www.dpreview.com/products/panasonic/slrs/panasonic_dmcgm5https://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/lenses/pentax_xs_40_2
Like0Sep 24, 2019permalinkEwanMCOh and it has faster focusing, better battery life, better at wide angle shots and far superior at night shots over the GX5 to boot ... if any these things are of any importance?
Like0May 6, 2020permalink
tbcass "Autofocus tracking unavailable while shooting bursts"
Interesting. The only time I find AF tracking useful is when shooting bursts. Sony should put a lens like this on an RX100 model.
Like3Sep 19, 2019*permalinkfpink3The last image of the camera on page 3 shows that the vanes covering the lens are thin and vulnerable. If these vanes are like the similar ones on my G7X, the vanes will bend. It happens if you keep the camera in a travel bag thinking it's protected if "closed up". The similar vanes on my G7X bind and don't open and close properly because they are metal and are now slightly bent. My Sony RX100 has vanes that are more recessed. I've handled this camera (and my RX100 II) MUCH more than the Canon and never had a problem. DP Review really needs to look at functional design details like this. It's a serious flaw that renders the camera unusable (at least when the vanes don't fully open).
Like1Sep 19, 2019permalinklarkhonI'm not sure how DPReview could review durability (and still deliver reviews only a few days after release). It is also highly dependent on how people are using their camera.
I'd say this is quite the same as with the iPhone's bendgate: a phone shouldn't bend in a backpocket but is sitting on your phone a standard use case? Those vanes are supposed to protect the lens from dust, and 'save' the lens, should the worse occur.Now if a manufacturer is doing things better, it's a shame Canon is not doing the same. And I've heard about it happening to other people as well.
Like1Oct 1, 2019permalinkpbug56Viewfinder gone. Articulating screen gone. The latter, in particular, means I'll never give a second thought about buying it. That screen lets me do a lot of things I can't physically due with my G5x or G11. What does Canon have against these screens?
Like1Sep 19, 2019permalink
Carey Rose The viewfinder is there, just retractable.
Like6Sep 19, 2019permalinkBrentSchumer An articulating screen would be impossible to fit into this form factor, and using it on such a tiny camera would be frustrating.
Canon (rightly) surmised that there is almost no market for large body 1" cameras with limited zoom, so they used the product name for an RX100 clone.
Like0Sep 23, 2019permalinkmaniquet« there are a wealth of options for the Movie Record button, decidedly fewer for the 'star' button » I haven’t found no way to assing a fonction of my choice to those two buttons. Anybody can help?
Like0Sep 19, 2019permalink
requa On the last screen of the wrench menu, choose Custom Functions (C.Fn), then go to screen 4 of that menu, press Set, then choose the button to be modified.
Like0Sep 28, 2019permalinkmaniquetTanks
Like0Sep 30, 2019permalinkGestureYes, at $600, might be of some interest.
Like3Sep 16, 2019permalinktkbslcIt's a compact, so just wait 18 months or so.
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john Clinch Actually they just seem to get me expensive, even used
Like04 months agopermalinkjam005Doesn't hit the mark. Increase the size of the display Canon.
Like1Sep 16, 2019permalinkfoxfire_71I have a Question about the G5X II jpeg image Quality (at the final scoring bars). In the review it is written that the jpeg quality of the G5X II has improved over the G7X II and if I read the text at image quality it looks like the jpegs should be sharper/better than previous models.
Hoever if I compare the scoring bars of the G5X II with the G7X II for the jpeg image quality It shows that the G7X II (2016) gets a better score (very small but still). Do I miss something?
Like3Sep 15, 2019permalink
Stig Nygaard Probably that G7XII was reviewed in 2016 and G5XII in 2019. The scores are to be seen relatively to the standard/expections at the time of the review, so scores from 2016 and 2019 can not be directly compared.
Like5Sep 16, 2019permalinkperry rhodanBut.. DPR states that scoring in the same category IS compatible between camera's. Sooo.. I do think you are correct, but then it completely undermines the scoring bars. They are completely useless.
Like0Jun 19, 2020permalinkPedroMZpop up viewfinder slows down the process of street photography . If you leave it up I take it that the camera remains on and thus drains the battery. It is also one more thing that can fail. Surely a built in one is better even if it means the camera is 1cm taller.
Like2Sep 15, 2019permalinkNextShowForSureWhy do you assume the camera cannot be turned off with the EVF up? I doubt if they would disable the on/off button or standby mode just because the EVF is up.I agree that it is a pity that canon did not stick to the old design but probably they had to go with the tide here.I have just bought the old Mk I as the pleasant handling outweighs the micro image analysis and speed for my particular needs and I rarely use RAW. I believe they are keeping the old Mk I running in production which is good. it would be nice if they could get the new sensor and processor in the old body but it is not going to happen.These major course changes in design are difficult to come to terms with as with the G1X III.
Like4Sep 15, 2019*permalinkClayton1985@PedroMZ... it is built in and I don't want 1cm taller and I doubt many people considering the G5XII do either. If you want a bigger camera then your choices are virtually unlimited.
Like2Sep 17, 2019permalinkBrentSchumer Not every camera has to be 100% dedicated to street photography. A pop-up EVF is great for adding the feature while still allowing the camera to be pocketable.
Like5Sep 17, 2019permalinktkbslcShoot from the hip using the LCD.
Besides, you gotta wait for the lens to extend anyway.
Like0Sep 17, 2019permalinkBrentSchumer Just to add to this: I've played with the G5Xii in a store and viewfinder has nothing to do with on/off.
Like6Sep 23, 2019permalinkPedroMZYes I read that today,unlike the EVF of the RX100. I still think it would be better built in as the previous one was,as, if you leave it up it is bound to snag.
Like0Sep 23, 2019*permalinkrequa The chart on age 2 says no Intervalometer and page 3 says star time-lapse is the only way to get time-lapse video. There actually is a time-lapse movie option that appears on the first screen of the shooting menu when in video mode, with three timing options available. This is described on page 170 on the English language user guide. I have not tested it yet.
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Richard Butler I'll look into that as soon as I get into the office tomorrow.
Like1Sep 17, 2019permalinkrequa Did you have a chance to confirm this?
Like0Sep 28, 2019permalink
Joseph K Boston It looks really great!
Then I remember that for the same price I can have a Ricoh GRIII...
I know it's kinda apples and oranges, but the GRIII is a niche camera that performs exceptionally well where it counts, while the G5X II seems just adequate in more areas.
Like2Sep 14, 2019permalinkmaflynnI'd say the Ricoh GRIII is definitely comparing apples and oranges. I mean why not compare the G5X II against a sony Alpha at this point. I've played with the G5X and its a nice little camera that is a nice all around travel camera imo
Like3Sep 16, 2019permalinkDarnGoodPhotosIt's such a weird comparison to draw, why even make it?
Like2Sep 18, 2019permalinkJoseph K Boston It's a comparison sheerly made on value for money. I'm not convinced that the Canon is a good value for its cost.
Like1Sep 18, 2019permalinkDarnGoodPhotosYes, a weird comparison.
Like2Sep 18, 2019permalinkBrentSchumer "Adequate" seems...well..adequate when you're talking about fitting a full-featured mirrorless camera in your pocket. The GRIII is tailored to very narrow use while the G5Xii houses a zoom lens, viewfinder, etc. For someone who wants a more well-rounded camera, the GRIII would have less to offer and less value.
Like0Sep 23, 2019permalinkAuricoOn paper this is the best "pocket camera". Canon did it right here, pushing the boundaries. Learn from them Sony. It also can be hand-holded unlike Sony.
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MrHollywood It's still not better than the Sony because the Sony AF is absolutely amazing, even at 200mm. It's no problem to add a grip to the Sony.The best thing about the Canon is the faster lens, but you give up 80mm of reach. The review clearly states that the RX100 lens outperforms the Canon as does the sensor (though I think the sensors are both okay). As I said prior, the AF of the Sony is much better while the Canon relies only on contrast, which limits tracking. Video on the Sony is also superior. RX100 VI and VII are the elephants in the room and tough to top. Expensive? You get what you pay for and Sony is still king in this segment. The ergonomics and menus of the Sony take an hour or two to adapt to and I added a grip to mine. So far no one has made a better pocket camera.
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Ernesto-CH Don't agree. I've replaced my Sony RX 100 last week by the Canon. The build quality of the Sony is really bad. I had the mark III and got a lot of problems. The service was more than poor. Usability of a Sony is never comparable with the Canon. I'm Fuji owner and only using a camera for still. Therefore the Canon is the better, cheaper solution if you need a compact beside the DSLR or DSLM. A zoom range of 24-120mm was exactly what I'm looking for. The most interesting picture in the review ist the comparison of the lenses and aperture. There is a hugh difference between rhe Sony and the Canon. I agree on the AF statements but for still it's not an issue in my opinion.
Like3Sep 14, 2019*permalinkNextShowForSure@MrHollywoodYou get what you pay for is of necessity the Sony mantra nowadays in their struggle to contain costs and is lapped up eagerly by their well funded user group eager to buy the latest offerings but unfortunately you get what you can afford is the reality for most of us. Whats for the King and the common folk almost exemplifies Sony against the competition nowadays. Of course a great heap of his old redundant hand me downs are available if you can fathom out what they actually do and do not do.
Like0Sep 15, 2019*permalinklarkhon"The best thing about the Canon is the faster lens, but you give up 80mm of reach."
if we play this game, by buying the Sony we loose 160mm compared to TZ200
Like2Sep 16, 2019permalinkMrHollywood The game is the AF.The Sony focuses with uncanny accuracy and speed and the competition is well behind. The rest is fairly pointless if your shots are not in focus.The tiny Sony has DSLR level AF. If you don't need that, you can likely do well with one of the lesser models.
Like3Sep 16, 2019permalinklarkhon"The game is the AF."
This is BS. To me it's like Apple products, if one says it's overpriced someone will say no, it's 2mm slicker than any other products and the SSD can transfer at 3.5gbps and they won't care if, for the same price, one can buy a workstation or a gaming rig.
In how many situations a picture can be taken by RX100 VI but not by another product? are all of them starting to misfocus on a static landscape? should we be afraid if our children start to move? If someone is into sports, or anything that requires that kind of AF, will they buy a camera that will show its limits past ISO1600-3200, with all the options we have?That's exactly the thing, since they can't improve IQ just yet, they send their users on the quest for AF. I'm already buying popcorn for the RX100 VIII, when they'll improve the sensor again, and all the RX100 VI/VII who spent $1200+ will explain how they don't need better IQ because their camera is still ahead of competition.
Like7Sep 16, 2019*permalinkBenjamin Jehne@MrHollywood Hmm, for me Canon is a totally different camera than the Sony. I know how good the VI is, but it is a nice weather camera, but useless in low light. And something that suprises me a lot, the RAW files of the Canon are better controlled at higher ISOs than those of the Sony.
The Canon also is way better to hold, even with a grip attached to the Sony.
I wanted to buy the Sony, but the Canon is the better package for my photography.
Like5Sep 16, 2019permalinkNextShowForSure@MrHollywoodThe only element in the Sony game is AF.The problem competing with the RX100 is it like fighting a many headed hydra. Want it cheap then there is the RX100 I but if that was fit for purpose why is there a 8th version of the camera and any single issue with a Canon or Panasonic there is always a particular mark of the Sony cited that can do better or represent value for money at that level but for heaven's sake we can't buy all of them. Then this whole philosophy of must have a new one as what was fine a year ago is now unusable is just pure nonsensical marketing puff.
Like0Sep 16, 2019*permalinkMrHollywood 1) The comment about the AF is dead wrong. How many pictures can be taken with the RX100 that can't be taken with the Canon? If you plan to be on the move and shoot any action, the answer is A LOT. I'd put it on the same level as comparing the AF on my Nikon Df to my Nikon D810 or D850, which was in another league. DPR isn't lying when they rave about the RX100 VII AF. It's amazing and useful.2) The RAW files of the cameras are very close and I prefer the color output of the Sony, which more closely matches my Nikon gear. You're on fantasy island if you think the Canon is better. I wouldn't use either above ISO 1600 if I could help it.3) I own cameras that are ideal for different tasks. For hiking, travel, sailing and family, the RX100 VI or VII are the top of the game. All of those things require the best possible AF modules and Sony understands that. For any kind of serious work, ALL of these cameras are toys. That's when I'm going to shoot with a FX camera and top tier glass.
Like0Sep 16, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Regarding ergonomics:
The RX100 VII is smaller and quirky to use. But it's much more pocketable than the Canon, if that's among your needs.I put a Small Rig on mine and now it handles like a baby DSLR with a nice wood grip. My wife wanted a perfect travel camera that could fit in her purse and so I removed the grip. But I prefer it with the grip, which also has a small cage to protect the camera.
So the little Sony's versatility from an ergonomic standpoint is actually going to be better for some shooters.On the other hand, the Sony's menus and controls can be tough for people who don't adapt easily. Not everyone is tech-crazy like I am and so I always suggest trying the camera out before buying regardless of what reviews claim.
Like0Sep 16, 2019permalinkNextShowForSure@MrHollywoodOn the move and shoot any action; Fantasy Island; toys; Top tier FX glass. Serious work; plus don't adapt easily for any problems there may be with the Sony as you pile on the pressure.This is just an everyday camera at a lower price point than the current Sony and is just never going to be really understood by a top level guy throwing money at the hobby.i have a G5X Mk I so I would hate to know what you think of that looking down from your top tier but it works for me.
Like0Sep 16, 2019*permalinkBenjamin Jehne@MrHollywoodThe Sony is smaller, thats why they only get 24-70mm F1.8-2.8 in a VA. Thats why those two cameras are not in the same category for me. The Canon has the size of a E-PM1 (Pen Mini) without a lens attached. You really have to chose, what you want, the size or the range.
Now the thing with the AF. I don't shot sports or action, just landscape, street etc. so the AF works as it should. If you shoot sport, you need a better AF, but the AF of the Canon works like that one of the RX100IV.
The higher ISOs are better controlled, you might not need it, other do.
So thats why you ended up with the RX100 VII and other buy the Canon. Like I said, those cameras are really different.
Like0Sep 16, 2019*permalinkMrHollywood The ISO is almost identical on the Canon vs. Sony. Anyone can see that via the samples. Sony's latest color science is very close to Nikon standards. DPreview says the Sony holds more detail and less chroma noise at high ISOs vs. the Canon, so I have no idea where you got the idea that the Canon is better. It's not.Yes, if you don't shoot stuff that moves much, the Canon will be fine. I never said the Canon was a bad camera, just not as good as the Sony overall. You get what you pay for.
Like0Sep 16, 2019permalinklarkhonWell, I'm guessing we took a look at the studio scene tool from DPR. I'm not sure the details are lost on ISO or if the lens is just generally softer, but as far as noise is concerned, I'm seeing less on the Canon side.
"You get what you pay for"
No, one buys the right tool for the right job. Price is not related to how much it delivers but how much people are willing to spend for that product. Previous owners of RX100 are used to the pricing extravangance. Pros looking for a compact camera for holidays will be seduced by the AF and the price will seem peanuts to them.I'm pretty sure for most buyers, it will be like buying a huge SUV, they're sure they need the space for the 2 times per year they go on holidays, hell they might even go offroad one day, but 99% they will drive it in the city, have to park it, etc... but hey, you drive the top car, you get what you pay for.
Like3Sep 17, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Again, ISO range and results will be largely the same. Using DXO's NR software will produce results that would be tough to tell apart. You can download samples and see for yourself. These sensors aren't very good for low light work. Period.As for SUV's...yup, I drive a Mercedes SUV. This summer we've been out to the Mojave Desert 3 times. Next month we'll be heading out to take photos at the Amboy Crater, a dead volcano in the desert. Mountain driving? I take my AMG. Good tools are pretty useful, cars and cameras both.Seduced by AF??? LOL! You're absolutely right. Photographers have been seduced by sharp images for a long time. Controlling DOF at 200mm or tracking things that move is also kinda useful. There's nothing ostensibly "good" about weaker AF. When reviews call the RX100 VII the best travel & family camera ever made, are they all lying? BTW, I was bashing the tiny Sony for the price and small sensor not long ago. I changed my tune after I tried one.
Like0Sep 17, 2019permalinklarkhon"Using DXO's NR software will produce results that would be tough to tell apart."Of course... and we don't need a sharp lens because we can also add sharpness.
"Controlling DOF at 200mm"What exactly are you controlling with a 1" sensor? as opposed to what?
I'd wait to read a few more reviews but my criticism was less about the RX100 VII than about the VI, which I tried and didn't find to be the best. Moving away from the product itself I'd criticize Sony for milking their customers, bringing once again two expensive models in a raw, the new one fixing the shortcoming of the older one. And finally, I don't see how relevant the Sony is when talking about this G5x II. AF alone is not making for the f-stop difference, nor would I recommend the Canon to someone who would need that extra range.
PS: I'm not saying driving a SUV is stupid, that would backfire on me too. One has to consider their needs before buying something, that's all.
Like0Sep 17, 2019permalinkMrHollywood I'll address you comments as follows:
1) The Canon and Sony sensors, relative to ISO noise handling, are the same. They take different approaches with the JPEG engines, but the Canon has zero inherent advantage. They're both nicely tweaked 1" sensors. I think the Sony has a small edge, but not enough to matter in practical shooting.
2) With it's strong advantage in reach, the Sony actually produces fairly reasonable bokeh at 200mm at F4.5, more so than the Canon. The Sony also has zero AF issues at the long end.
3) Sony listens to customers and makes adjustments quickly. There are only TWO models with the 24-200mm Zeiss optics and I'm not upgrading to the VII since the VI never misses focus and I don't need a audio jack. I'll wait for the VIII version and see what that has. Sony isn't forcing anyone to buy anything.
My problem with Canon is that they're too reserved, too guarded. I'd like them to take Sony's torch away and build something even better than the VII.
Like0Sep 17, 2019permalinklarkhon"With it's strong advantage in reach, the Sony actually produces fairly reasonable bokeh at 200mm at F4.5, more so than the Canon."
well, obviously the Canon will have more DOF control until 120mm, and then the difference in bokeh won't be big if compared to TZ100 or TZ200, while offering more reach. And I would expect a bigger sensor if we really talk about DOF control. That's why I find this part irrelevant.
"VI never misses focus"
Once again, I don't share your findings.
"I'd like them to take Sony's torch away"
Well, I don't see any 24-100/120mm f1.8-2.8 camera from Sony but since they were released at the same time people tend to overlook the slow lens and compare RX100 VI/VII instead of VA.Back then they released the G3x and forced Sony to react with a beautiful RX10 III. And then released RX10 IV with better AF. Maybe by releasing RX100 VI they needed to kill the competition from Panasonic and once again were too fast to release their camera...
Like0Sep 17, 2019permalinkMrHollywood If you "don't share my findings with the AF" then you also don't share ANYONES findings. DPreview and virtually every other review site has been in love with the AF on the VA, VI and now the new VII.
As I said, I'm shooting D850, D5 etc. I've also got D5300 and a few other small cams. The Sony is the only true pocket camera that can hang with a DSLR for AF. That's fact is confirmed everywhere. It's really not up for debate as there are tests to prove it.
Sony's high price puts them in a somewhat different segment. The VI and VII are pretty expensive. Only people who want the best small camera to augment their pro gear or those seeking the absolute best travel cam will bite.
As I said, I'd love to see Canon or Nikon jump in and top Sony. It's annoying that they just sell downgraded crippled cameras for lower prices and let Sony have the best overall model. It's also bad business. But as good as the Sony is, I'm not leaving Nikon as my main gear.
Like0Sep 18, 2019permalinklarkhon"It's really not up for debate as there are tests to prove it."
Of course, reviews have tested those cameras in any possible situation and there is absolutely no way someone could find it any flaws (and of course they released RX100 VII just because they wanted to do an even better camera, not because there was room for improvement).That being said, there's a chance that stabilization was at fault for me (or that I had a faulty unit, who knows), but I assumed 1/60s was more than enough to shoot at 200mm eq.
"Only people who want the best small camera to augment their pro gear "
This is getting better and better.
"It's also bad business."
Look at the G7x II, it has worse AF and IQ than the RX100 V but it sold well and is appreciated from vloggers. Look at M50, not the best camera, cheap, but it's n°1 in Japan and sells well in other countries. Canon wants the most people to buy their cameras. It has worked for years, despite their tendency to cripple lower models...
Like0Sep 18, 2019permalinkMrHollywood The AF on the RX100 VI is so good that an experienced shooter can expect a 100% hit rate. My wife used it to shoot a 3 day rally for medicare-for-all and returned with over 300 shots and ONE was out of focus. She does have some experience and good technique. No other camera we've tried has handed over such a success rate.
If you could not get a sharp result 1/60 at 200mm, you either have poor technique or a bad camera. I suggest studying up on technique.
As a working professional, I do see what colleagues work with and th RX100 series is a popular toy camera for those who want the best. The Zeiss lens and AF make it worth the money, though the 1" sensor will remain a limitation for these small models.
Like0Sep 18, 2019permalinklarkhon"If you could not get a sharp result 1/60 at 200mm, you either have poor technique or a bad camera. I suggest studying up on technique."
You might be twisting my words, I'm not saying I didn't get a sharp result, I'm saying it gave a worse hit rate than lesser cameras (hence I cannot call it the king). If a lesser camera, here the TZ200, manages a higher hit rate, on at least 30 concerts in various places with worse lighting, using the same settings, surely it is an issue with the user... I've had RX100, RX100 III, RX10 III and several Sony mirrorless cameras, so the issue does not lie with the brand, it's not like I don't know how the menus work or have no experience with them.It's not like the camera is bad, face recognition worked way better, the camera is faster to operate with (which helps with the action, although I wished there was a memory for the last zoom position), it's sharper too.
Like0Sep 19, 2019*permalinkBrentSchumer Honestly I think both product lines are great.
As an RX100Mk3 owner, I like how Canon fit more reach and better physical/digital controls in their camera. The 24-70mm equivalent lens on my RX100 is pretty limited, and picking up 70% more reach without losing the ND filter or the wide aperture is amazing! My RX100 struggles in low light at f/2.8, so I would have a tough time imagining the VII's f/4.5 aperture in similar conditions. If you don't need fast AF tracking (e.g. usually shooting still subjects or moderate action), this is a great pocket travel camera. And the Canon UI is head and shoulders ahead of Sony's offerings (such a small body cries out for touch selection of exposure controls).
On the other hand, the RX100Mk7's autofocus really is a killer feature. I have an A6400 and the new tracking and eye AF modes mean that you no longer have to think about AF-S vs AF-C, focus points, etc. You just track and shoot, which is great for a small form factor. (continued)
Like0Sep 23, 2019*permalinkBrentSchumer (continued) So if you usually shoot in the sun, the RX100VII is really a "do-everything" camera. It's basically an A6400 + 18-135mm lens (my favorite travel combo) in a pocketable form factor with terrible low light performance and depth of field. I could see myself leaving all my gear in the hotel and just bringing a VII on an excursion without giving anything up, which is amazing. The Sony also feels much better built than the Canon, which I would expect for the higher price tag.
I'll likely be looking to pick up one of these ultracompacts by Black Friday next year, and it will be interesting to see where prices stabilize for each camera. Either way, we should all be happy to have so many viable options, and hopefully Canon will push Sony to release an RX100 with a fast 24-1XXmm equivalent lens!
Like0Sep 23, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Yup. Well said.
And contrary to what a few people claim, I'm NOT a Sony fan. I'm a Nikon guy for the most part. But Sony simply has the better camera for most situations in the RX100 VI and VII. Canon, Ricoh, Nikon and other brands have continued to under-engineer their cameras, which is seriously annoying!I know Nikon or Canon can do better than Sony for a compact, but it has yet to happen.
Like0Sep 23, 2019permalink
mxx Often a camera is labelled as not suited for family photography because of inadequate focusing. But which family members are so impossible to freeze because of bad focusing? Even with manual focusing I've always found it easy to focus on my grandparents, my parents, my siblings, my uncles and aunts, etc. Only a few lively young children presented problems, and a good hiding easily fixes that.
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Rishi Sanyal " Only a few lively young children presented problems, and a good hiding easily fixes that."
? What is 'a good hiding'. And if you're going to try to convince us you don't need AF for toddlers / children, well, you can try, but...
"Even with manual focusing I've always found it easy to focus on my grandparents, my parents, my siblings, my uncles and aunts"
Not if you want to capture candid moments. Even the 1.5 seconds it takes me to adjust aperture on a Sony camera is enough to change the nice expression that made me want to raise the camera up to take a shot to begin with changes into a different, boring one. Manually focusing completely kills the candid moment.
Perhaps you have a very patient family who will stand around with patience holding a posed smile. That's not the typical use-case we consider when we think of 'family photography'. Generally, family photography, particularly with kids, is erratic; the less you fumble w/ the camera, the easier it is to snap the moment.
Like11Sep 14, 2019permalinkmcshanMXX...I agree. In the future maybe point out a camera isn't great for "fast" or simply "moving children". This camera would be fine for my extended family. We are all beyond the breeding age.
Like5Sep 15, 2019permalinkNextShowForSureI find with my grandchildren you can get the knack of anticipating when they bounce and freeze for that instance before rushing off in a different direction.
Like3Sep 15, 2019permalinkGoldMarkNice camera, but i fear the smartephones will be the end of this category of cams.
Regards Bernhardhttps://deramateurphotograph.de/
Like7Sep 13, 2019permalinkpacnwhobbyistYou’re probably right. In a few years time the floor will probably be APSC.
Like2Sep 14, 2019permalinkGoldMarkI think APSC, MFT will survive as sonsor formats.
Regards Bernhardhttps://deramateurphotograph.de/
Like0Sep 15, 2019permalinkBenjamin JehneThis camera replaces easily a mFT. It's image quality is far better than what you get from a smartphone. Especially with this lens it's so damn versatile.
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Edgar_in_Indy I think you're right about smartphones competing with 1" cameras. I've been using the Google Pixel derived "gcam" camera app on my old LG V20, and I've been amazed at some of the results I've gotten when using good photography technique.
My LG V20 has an ultra wide and standard wide lens, but lacks a telephoto. If my next phone includes a telephoto camera module, I may end up leaving my 1" camera at home most of the time.
Like0Oct 1, 2019permalinktoni2Canon G5 X mkII With EVF? Why not with a shabby "optional EVF" as Canon M6 mkII?
Like1Sep 13, 2019*permalinkrichd6275there's nothing shabby about the clip on EVF it works well
Like3Sep 13, 2019permalinkMrHollywood It ruins the form factor of the camera and uses up the hot shoe for fill flash. It's nearly 2020 and a external EVF is a really dated idea.
Like16Sep 13, 2019permalinkjam005EVF is the excuse for cameras that have poor and horrible touch displays such as Sony. 99% of Consumers don't need an EVF to take a photo. The primary reason, smartphones are the cameras of choice. As Samsung as stated "It's the display stupid".
Like2Sep 16, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Spoken like someone who doesn't make money with their cameras and has no training.I don't know a single photographer who'd buy a camera without a viewfinder. The single exception would be the Ricoh GR series, which occupy a very narrow niche that's important to some shooters. Bringing up smartphones as some sort of reasoning to drop the advantages of the EVF is redonkulous. One of the primary advantages of the mirrorless designs over DSLRs is the EVF, which allows you to see your exposure, composition and settings even in bright light. Inexperienced amateurs are the primary market for finderless cameras.
Like5Sep 16, 2019permalinkpoohduckShooting outdoors, as I often am, I'd be lost without evf. The other advantage of evf that I haven't seen acknowledged anywhere, is the extra stability. Holding a camera in front of your face = two fairly shaky points of contact. Holding the camera against your head = pretty solid. Also much easier to track a moving subject.
Like2Sep 19, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Exactly. Proper hand-holding technique is key and it's a chuckle and half when people defend a camera with no viewfinder. There are times and places where using the rear LCD can work, but having BOTH is far better.
The main reason why Canon can sell a camera without a finder is ignorance. Anyone who actually studies photography knows why a viewfinder is key and cannot be replaced by a rear LCD.
Like0Sep 19, 2019permalinkpoohduckyes, I have a viewfinder that works at all angles. It's great when I'm in a crowd - I can hold it at arms length overhead and take a shot. Although in sunlight I'm struggling to see the level line. I also use it for low shots - it saves lying on the ground. Whenever I can though, it's the evf.
Like1Sep 22, 2019*permalinkdansclic180 shots .... a near ideal travel camera ? Are you serious?
Like5Sep 13, 2019permalinkErnesto-CH Do you remember the time of analog film? We had 24 or 36 pictures. Today people is taking too much picture instead creating photos. If I have to shot more than 100 picture a day, it's something special. A second accu is small and light. It will give you a full day.
Like2Sep 14, 2019permalinksynyanThat's how Canon make money. One battery NB-13L costs more than $50.
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Franz Weber Problem is that most battery packs won’t work with this camera as it will only charge with the PD standard. Even my wall chargers cannot charge my G5XII.
Like0Sep 14, 2019permalinkBenjamin Jehne@Franz WeberJust buy a small usb charger. Zhat will work with every powerbank.
Like0Sep 16, 2019permalinkravi pratapJust a few bucks more M50 is waiting to be lapped ?
Like0Sep 13, 2019permalinkErnesto-CH But it's much bigger if you want the same zoom range and apperture. Which is not available as far as I know.
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GreatOceanSoftware I just returned this camera. I had convinced myself that I needed a pocketable alternative for traveling on short trips, when taking my XT-3 seemed like too much to carry. Basically a wrist camera that still had good image quality. So I shot 100-ish photos, and the image quality was fine and about what I expected. But what I realized is that the camera is just to fidigity and sensitive for my tastes. I like to take my time and compose shots, and decided that in order to overcome that, it would need to be on a monopod to get the stable feel that I enjoy. And if I'm carrying a monopod, what's the point of a pocketable camera? Absolutely a matter of taste.
On the plus side, the camera was well built except for the plastic lens ring. Not a big deal, and I really liked that it could be assigned the image aspect ratio function for P/A/S/M modes. Between that and the dedicated zoom lever, there was complete direct control over image composition.
Oh well, I tried to like it.
Like4Sep 13, 2019permalinkAbrasiveReducerInteresting. Since decent ergonomics are usually one of Canon's strengths, what was "to fidgity and sensitive" about the camera?
Like3Sep 13, 2019permalinkGreatOceanSoftware The wrap around presentation of many options on the screen was annoying. A set of options would be displayed in rows on the screen, and you could only use the left/right sides of the four-way rocker, not the up/down to jump rows. Touch was available, but sometimes the icons were too small to accurately touch.
The dial around the rocker was way too loose and easily passed my intended target.
The touchscreen sensitivity only had two settings, standard and "more sensitive." Even on standard, it was too easy to make wrong selections.
Once turned on, the touch-and-drag autofocus option couldn't be disabled. At least I couldn't figure it out. Even though it said "Disabled" in the menu setting, it still allowed dragging.
The spot metering is permanently fixed to the center of view, not the autofocus point.
Just a few. Running out of characters. I did read the manual cover-to-cover. Wasn't included in the box, by the way. Had to download.
Like2Sep 13, 2019permalinkJL AuchBury the lead guys...
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Barney Britton ?
Like5Sep 13, 2019permalinkdpfan32I thought: finally a sharp lens.And then I looked up the price of this camera at Amazon.
Forget it.....There is for example the Fuji X-T20 with the 18-55 f2.8-4 at a similar price. Not to mention all the mFT alternatives.
G5X 749 EUR (original price, now much lower)G5X Mark II 929 EUR
This is a ridiculous price jump.
Like19Sep 13, 2019*permalinkdansclicTotally agreeFor 600 usd you now can get a xt20 with the small 15-45This one inch sensor camera is far too expensive
Like4Sep 13, 2019permalinksynyanI own bunch of Fuji's. XTs and G5 are in diff use. The 1-inch camera can put into pocket, while XT20 couldn't.
Like1Sep 14, 2019permalinkdpfan32It will be difficult to put the G or the RX in jeans pockets. At least what I'm wearing it was very uncomfortable to put my old RX100 (I) anywhere in my pockets. I realized that I have to carry a small bag anyway. So a slightly larger mirrorless is no more an obstacle.
Like3Sep 14, 2019permalinkBrentSchumer X-T20 can't fit in a pocket. You're paying for the miniaturization.
Like3Sep 23, 2019permalinkric hIn comparison with the Panasonic ZS100, which got the same overall score of 82%, its review mentions that it had, "..a great autofocus system..". However, that camera scored lower in Metering & Autofocus than the G5X II. Why is that?
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Iron Eagle Those Pany cameras are not very sharp. I have a ZS50, and the lens is mediocre. From what I've read, the ZS100 and ZS200 are not so hot, either. It's a shame because otherwise, they are very nice cameras.
Like1Sep 13, 2019permalinkric hWell, when it comes to optics, the ZS100 scores higher than the Canon.
Like1Sep 13, 2019permalinkCanasonicI disagree, I checked the ZS100 against the G5X II in the DP Review comparator and the ZS100 lens is nowhere near as sharp.
Like5Sep 13, 2019permalinkric hOk, I'm just going by the Scoring section in the conclusion and adding the ZS100 as a comparison. If you do that, and move between the 2 cameras, you can see that the Pany scores higher in the Optics section. Is that just because it has more range?
But, my original question is still, why did one camera with "great autofocus" gets a lower score than another where the autofocus came into question? Just trying to get an explanation for that.
Like1Sep 14, 2019permalinklarkhonTZ100 was not so sharp (but can be fixed adding a little sharpness in PP) but TZ200 is better and give more reach. To me, sharpness doesn't really matter for this kind of camera, as there always will be affordable mirrorless alternatives that will provide better resolution, so in the end for me it comes to convenience. Either long reach or better low light performance, something I cannot get otherwise for this size/price/weight ratio.
Like0Sep 16, 2019permalinkperry rhodanI know. It is utterly useless to try and understand the scoring. So sad there still is no standardized test method used.
Like1Jun 19, 2020permalinkmeffeHaving had both ZS100 and G5x m ii, AF always impressed on the panasonic and always dissapoints on the canon. Handling is perhaps slightly better on Canon, and colors after some tweaking. Canon lens is worse at wide end, but panny lens had some ”ghosting” in high contrast scenes, white items with dark backgrounds far away especially.
Like0Jan 25, 2021permalinkNYCman530Under scoring, the usual comparison link was missing.
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Photoman Cons: "Photographers that need the best autofocus for action or family photography, as well as video shooters who may want a stronger feature set and better video quality."
That sounds really bad. Sounds like a RX100 sounds like a better option.
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TN Args It's just their clumsy way of saying that if you want the *ultimate* in those two areas, this camera is not it.
If you are reading the quote as saying the camera is poor in those areas, or won't meet most needs, then they need to re-word what they wrote to avoid giving that wrong impression to people.
Like7Sep 13, 2019permalinkpollup"but if you're a parent who wants to capture action ... you might consider other options." -> this opinion seems to confirm it's not very good for family photography.
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zkz5 Is there any further explanation about "Picky about USB chargers" this in the "what we don't like" list?
Does it require a USB-PD charger with a certain minimum power level? Text in the "Body, controls and handling" section sort-of indicates that.
Like2Sep 13, 2019permalinkFranz Weber Yes, unfortunately none of my USB chargers at home or in my car can charge this camera.
Like3Sep 13, 2019permalinkzkz5 I figured it required USB-PD based on what I read in the review. I guess I'm suggesting that the minimum power level be tested, or wondering why on Earth Canon failed to document this. There are only certain discrete power levels defined by the USB-PD standard.
Like0Sep 14, 2019permalinkKoolKooltoo bad, i prefer mark i design! ;(
Like2Sep 13, 2019permalinkSuilvenMe too, I prefer the fixed EVF, and now it's cheaper :-)
Like0Sep 13, 2019permalinkabruzzopatLooks like a great option for still photographers looking for a compact camera under $1K
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Wingsfan This doesn't really break any new ground, but I do like the fact you get a pretty fast ( f1.8-2.8) lens with a 5x zoom. If the autofocus was a little better and the video capability a little more stout, I would love to purchase this to compliment my RX100 M6 (RX for the longer focal lengths, G5x for lower light, and indoors), and have a fantastic, tiny 2 camera travel system I could take anywhere. When traveling as a family, sometimes even m-43 is too big of a system to bring along. As a side note, I wonder if Panasonic will ever update the lx10?
Like5Sep 13, 2019permalinkdpfan32But the price is too heavy. Imagine what you could get in the mFT world for that.
Like2Sep 13, 2019permalinkEdgar_in_Indy For low light, the LX10 with its f1.4 lens is still champ among 1" cameras.
Like0Oct 1, 2019permalinkIron Eagle Sounds like the Sony RX100 is still king in this market segment.
Like8Sep 13, 2019permalinkwritelightIt depends what you're looking for. For me, I don't care about video. I do care about low light performance, an actual usable interface and touchscreen, attractive color rendition and comfortable ergonomics. In these, the Sony fails miserably and is ridiculously more expensive. IMHO, of course.
Like25Sep 13, 2019permalinkIron Eagle Makes sense. Although, I wouldn't expect the low-light performance to be much different if you shoot RAW. Sensor size is the same. TBH, a 1" sensor isn't really going to cut it in low light, but these kinds of cameras are good when the light is good.
Like1Sep 13, 2019permalinkwritelightI agree, to an extent, though the f stop difference can be an advantage in certain conditions. I did, however, fail to mention the Sony's superior AF performance. I probably will be affected less as fast tracking won't be a significant need for me.
Like1Sep 13, 2019permalinkMrHollywood I own the RX100 VI and there are three major takeaways:
1) The 24-200mm lens is VERY good, ultra sharp.2) The AF is beyond good, almost uncanny.3) Colors and overall look is not that far off from my Nikon D850.4) Ergonomics are cured by adding a grip.5) Menus are clunky, but anyone with a hour to spare can learn them.6) I'm not a video guy, but good lord, the video IQ is stunning.
And the RX100 M7 version adds even better AF! Honestly, the Canon does not compete, though it's a nice camera. Sony's goal was to lead this segment. So far they're doing exactly that.
Like7Sep 14, 2019permalinkIron Eagle @HollywoodAgree 100%.
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spider-mario @Iron Eagle: the sensor would not make a significant difference in low-light performance, but the lens clearly would. Have a look at the aperture chart here: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g5-x-mark-ii-review/2
Like1Sep 14, 2019permalinkspider-mario Okay, maybe not “clearly” (that chart not starting at 0 is somewhat misleading). But there is still some difference, especially compared to the VI and VII.
Like0Sep 14, 2019permalinklarkhonagain MrHollywood, the VI can't keep up as well as TZ200 with people moving on a stage with lighting. To me, if they're asking almost twice as much they should just be better every single time in any situation. I wouldn't consider the VII as even better, I'd say it makes the RX100 become what it needed to be to be the leader.
Like0Sep 16, 2019permalinkKarroly"Canon has decided that 24p video recording is unnecessary"Frankly, 24ps recording is an "advanced video feature" for me that I do not care about.The vast majority of users interested by this camera will watch their videos on a 60fps monitor or 50/60fps TV. So what are the advantages of viewing a 24fps video on such a display device, considering that the video player may "struggle" to make a good frame rate conversion ?
Like6Sep 13, 2019permalinkpollupThe advantage is the cinematic look. It's the same reason movies are still being shot at 24fps.
Like4Sep 13, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Yup. Dropping 24 FPS was not a good idea.
Like0Sep 14, 2019permalinkwritelight"Cinematic look" Perhaps for the naive.
Like1Sep 14, 2019permalinkKarrolyI have taken a look at the X-A7 specs published by DPR in their camera section. Weirdly, the 24fps mode is listed for both 4K and 2K...
Like0Sep 14, 2019*permalinkspider-mario Even assuming that cinematic look is 1. something to care about (especially for something that you would shoot with a pocket camera) and 2. due to the framerate (at least https://wipster.io/blog/debunking-the-180-degree-shutter-rule disagrees): would 24 vs. 25 or 30 make that much of a difference? At least, 30 evenly divides the native framerate of most screens in use (even TVs: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/table/5230 ), so they can simply display each frame a constant number of times and call it a day.
My personal opinion is that 24fps is a relic of the past and we shouldn’t cling to it in a cargo cult fashion.
Like1Sep 14, 2019*permalinkKarrolyspider-mario,I totaly agree with you. 25fps is too close to 24fps to not have the same "cinematic look".However, for 24fps aficionados who will be satisfied by 25fps, if all TV sets usually play back 25fps videos without frame rate conversion, or at least just by doubling the frame rate at 50fps, some cameras are crippled according to the region they are sold, so 25/50fps settings cannot be available in countries using 60Hz as their AC power frequency...
Like1Sep 14, 2019*permalinkspider-mario Ow. :( Legacy everywhere…
Any chance they might be satisfied by 30fps too?
Like0Sep 14, 2019permalinkTN Args Dear DPR:
"....the G5 X Mark II cannot compete with the best of its peers when it comes to autofocus and video."
"its peers" means at the same price point, right?
Otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges, like comparing a Canon RP with a Sony A7RIV, right? Just because they have the same size sensor and vaguely similar size, does not a peer make.
Please clarify.
Like13Sep 13, 2019*permalinkMinos82Well the price point has to be adjusted because it cannot compete. Otherwise, who would buy it?
Like3Sep 13, 2019permalinkTN Args @Minos82, that is astoundingly backward thinking.
Like8Sep 13, 2019permalinkMinos82That is brilliant understanding of the AF weaknesses.
Like5Sep 13, 2019permalinkbadiwell, doesn't really matter if canon couldn't mach the AF and cut the price as a consequence or they targeted a price point and had to cut some stuff. In the end We have a 900$ 1"sensor camera with a 24-120/1.8-2.8 lens competing against a 1200$ camera with a 24-200/2.8-4.5 lens - but better AF, video and viewfinder.
While the price difference is big, both are expensive cameras that are targeting the same audience. Frankly most of the people who would buy a $900 compact will not have too deep regrets if they spend $300 more.
But the lens difference and the AF difference make the cameras quite different beasts.
Like4Sep 13, 2019permalinkpollupPeers is more than just a price point, the main thing is that they target the same type of consumers. That camera and the RX100 vii definitely target the same consumers.
However in your example of Canon RP vs A7riv, the targeted consumers are very different, one camera is for amateurs (entry level) and one is for professional use, and the price points are completely different, we're not talking about a 30% increase in price like here which many people could consider, but a 250% increase in price.
Like3Sep 13, 2019permalinkGeorge1958"....the G5 X Mark II cannot compete with the best of its peers when it comes to autofocus and video."
Perhaps true if you only look at specs. A Ferrari has better specs than a Ford Focus but both can only travel at the national speed limit.
This canon can do the same as other brand family members in a real world situation. Ideas about competitiveness are notional and the food stuff off marketing departments and the opium of gear heads.
Like1Sep 13, 2019permalinkMrHollywood This Canon is hoping to steal some customers away from Sony. But it really can't compete except by offering a lower price point. The Sony does almost everything better...better lens, MUCH better AF, video. The Sony ends up being worth the extra money.But I'd love to see something better than my RX100 VI (besides the VII).
Like1Sep 14, 2019permalinkGeorge1958The idea of better is never seen in practical applications. Take a bunch of photographs with either and you won’t see better in the output. It really is a case of the emperors new cloths. If Sony or canon can more money out of you or sell you the mirage of superiority they will.
Like3Sep 14, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Sorry, George, but that's not an educated comment. I own quite a few cameras, from the amazing Nikon D850 to the Fuji X100f. Variances in low light ability, corner sharpness and overall operational speed DO make a difference. The Canon has inferior AF compared to the Sony. In fact, the Sony is the only small camera I've owned with AF on par with my DSLRs. Better AF does make a difference. The IQ of the Canon and Sony are very close, but the AF advantages for the Sony are very real, especially if you shoot anything that moves.
Like0Sep 14, 2019permalinkGeorge1958But it is an educated comment, like you I own a stunning array of different cameras and different formats. However I like you I don’t have a bias for Sony gear . It’s very very good gear but what does that tell you when most brands are very good. The end game is not specs but the images you take. Plenty of awards, competitions and magnum photos are taken on all brands of cameras. The evidence is out there to see. If Sony was as much as the game changer a few people like to think it is , you would see it I. The images. It’s funny how top photographers continue to succeed with supposedly inferior gear isn’t it.
Like3Sep 14, 2019permalinklarkhonShall we talk about ISO performance at ISO 3200? it seems the Canon is softer (I'm guessing the lens is at fault) but gives a cleaner image than all the 1" sensored cameras to date.
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beavertown When will Canon fabricate their own 1" and stop relying on Sony's sensors ?
Like0Sep 13, 2019permalinkKarrolyGood sense of humor... ;-)
Like7Sep 13, 2019permalinkCombatmedic870Sony makes the best sensors. Canon could have chose the rx100 mk5 or mk6 sensor. But they chose the mk4s. Sonys sensor Dept is independent of their camera Dept.
Like2Sep 13, 2019permalinkspencerdaI have recently picked up the camera and I’m trying to get back into photography after a bit of a layoff. Use to shoot and print Raw. I’ll still shoot Raw but like to include JPEG also now that the JPEG engines are so much better than they used to be .
Hoping to get advice as to what might be the best settings for a JPEGs to get the most out of the files.
David
Like1Sep 13, 2019permalinkKarrolyBest settings are very personal, as it is a matter of taste. If this camera features the new sharpening settings (which includes strength, fineness and threshold) and if, like me, you prefer a natural look, I suggest you to try the "Neutral" or "Faithfull" Picture Style, but with the "Fine detail" sharpening settings (4,1,1). You can also try a contrast and color saturation of -1. Reducing color saturation a little bit also reduces the level of chroma noise at high ISO.
Like2Sep 13, 2019permalinkspencerdaKarroly,
Thank you for the suggestions. I could have worded my question a bit more accurately.With JPEG files fun to play with some of the color settings but would like to keep them as malleable as possible.
My concern from what I read is the sharpening algorithms with canon are not very good.
Wonder if I’m better off turning sharpening down to minimum and tweaking in Photoshop ?
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Platinumkid All we need is this lens on the Sony RX mk7 and voila - the PERFECT CAMERA the one funny YouTuber is dreaming of. Only problem is, he will be unable to color-grade well :)
Like1Sep 12, 2019permalink
Kharan Kasey's color-grading skills shall not be questioned! His inviting green skin and magenta highlights are at the forefront of cinematic artistry 🤣
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thx1138 The only things I see the G5 mk II has over the Sony RX100 VI/VII, is superior noise control (RAW), the noise is much better at ISO 3200 with smaller grain and less colour noise, the lens is nice and fast and fairly good all over the frame and it has a grip. The Sony AF and video quality and features are a lot better. Canon's new cripple theme for 2019 is 24p, sure let's give them 4K but how can we gimp it as we really hate you not buying a C100 instead. However for a general carry anywhere walkabout camera for anything but video or action it's a very viable alternative.
A shame there isn't more competition in this segment. Wake up Nikon and Panasonic needs a LX100III ASAP.
Like3Sep 12, 2019permalinkmcshanOr RX100 VIIA with a slightly short but faster lens.
Like4Sep 13, 2019permalinkAABBCC123"Thanks to a pop-up electronic viewfinder and higher-quality lens, Canon's G5 X Mark II is a tempting step up from the already-good G7 X Mark III if you don't (NEED) that camera's specialist vlogging (FEEATURES?)."
Like0Sep 12, 2019*permalinkCarey Rose Thanks for the catch. You're hired!
Like5Sep 12, 2019permalinkovatabwhen standing face down on the lens does the camera push itself up and down when zoomed in/out with remote shooting app?
Like1Sep 12, 2019permalink6BQ5I never thought of something like this. Makes me want to try it on my Sony RX10!
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Like1Sep 12, 2019permalinkKarrolyWhy ? Is your car jack broken ?
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