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Introduction
Canon has just announced updates to two of its compact PowerShot G-series cameras, the G7 X Mark III and the G5 X Mark II. These two new cameras share a lot of DNA both inside and out, and there are both similarities and stark differences relative to their predecessors as well. But have no fear - we've dug through the details of each camera for you, to bring you all that you need to know about these two new models.
Both will be available in August 2019, and the G7 X III arrives at $749 US and the G5 X II at $899 US.
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All (314)Most popular (15)Editors' picks (0)DPR staff (2)Oldest firstRanjanRCurrently G5x-II seems to be only available in Canada from Canon Canada. They have a special introductory deal which includes an extra battery, a cam-bag and a better wrist strap (?) than the one included for free.
Can't wait to wrap my hands around one as soon as possible!
Like0Aug 9, 2019permalinkMarcelSlagmanI saw an interesting review from London Camera Exchange. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36gjZTkmT-w
Now I am waiting for the review at DP Review (and sample photos). Would like to see a comparison between these new Canon compacts and the Sony RX100 VA, Lumix LX100 II and the Ricoh GR III.
Like1Aug 6, 2019*permalinkKawika NuiDear dpreview:PLEASE, please pretty please: no more articles like this where the reader has to click buttons to read more than a paragraph or two. 'Cmon, this whole thing fits in a single scrollable page.
Like4Aug 5, 2019permalink
Strolic Furlan And where are First impressions/review in progress, Video overview and Sample Gallery? It would be nice to know.
Like1Jul 25, 2019*permalinkdavepanoramaI'm unable to understand the differences among the tow cameras apart the 120 lens vs 100 lens ... any help?
Like0Jul 17, 2019permalinkotto kEVF vs no EVF and some smaller differences (g7x3 seems more oriented towards YouTube creators).
Like0Aug 2, 2019permalinkjustmeMNA reminder to Nikon that cancelling their DL series was a mistake.
Like8Jul 16, 2019permalink
Mr Kaja I really like the lens and as a owner of G7X M2, these models looks great, except 2 things:
A) Im curious about AF. I guess, its Sony sensor, so we cant expect Canon Dual pixel AF, but faster AF would be great.
B) G7X M2 easily gets huge amount of dust into lens, but you cant clean it in a normal way and you have problem even in service. You can find DIY drill solution on youtube, but it is quite ridiculous situation. And these new models looks same, no additional sealing mentioned...
Otherwise, I really like my G7X. I prefer it over my EOS on most of my trips and output is quite comparable :)
Like1Jul 12, 2019permalinkAndrooleIf that 24-120mm lens is any good, I think this may be the new travel camera to beat.
Just got back from two months backpacking and there were plenty of times when I would have loved a nice option in-between my ILC gear and a smartphone. The 24-70mm range of most options in this class just isn't satisfying, and now we finally don't need to be cursed with a dark lens in exchange for that flexibility.
It provides similar shooting options to the PL12-60/f2.8-4 on M4/3 but in a smaller integrated package...
Like4Jul 11, 2019permalinkPin_SharpI like everything but the price - maybe it will drop to around £500 in a year.
Like0Jul 11, 2019*permalinkDDavis1No Dual Pixel Auto Focus, No 24p, but it has a mic jack...with no cold shoe or any other way to mount a mic without having to but a separate L-bracket or cage; adding $60-80 and weight.
But HEYYY...it has a flippy screen! LOL. Pass.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalinkaerorailG7 looks strangely identical to the sony rx100
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalinkmcshanDo you mean the G5X II?
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalink(unknown member)Even though sensor is Sonys, no pdaf. ah well.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalink
thetoolman No microphone or headphone jacks on the G5 X Mark II? What the heck???? My God, what does it cost to put to add these stupid simple features to a camera?
Like3Jul 11, 2019*permalinkavicenanwAn arm for the mic and a leg for the headphone.
Like5Jul 11, 2019permalink
verstovsky No DPAF in G7XIII (and this is supposed to be a vlogging camera?), no 24 fps even in 1080p (which is a huge deal for those who care)
One step forward, two steps back
If compactness isn't crucial for you, better look for a6300/6400
Like3Jul 10, 2019permalinkabruzzopatNo golden egg, no rainbows shining from my sphincter. If finding ways to be negative isn't crucial, better take pictures.
Like9Jul 11, 2019permalinkGeorge1958Or better still, give Sony a miss. Why join the rank and file of a small number of folk who make a career out of boasting that their gear is better based on a spec sheet? The very popular EOS M50 over the A6XXXX series any day when it comes to content creation. It’s not a perfect camera but it delivers.
Like4Jul 11, 2019permalinkredtailboasIf compactness isn't crucial" 🤣 That's the entire point of this camera.
Like8Jul 11, 2019permalinkverstovsky Wow, what a great array of unnecessary toxicity in comments
I waited 1,5 year for G7X III, and really wanted a compact camera with mic jack
Why Canon choice to release a camera, crippling features which was available in previous versions in 2016 (not golden eggs ffs), is beyond me
Yet I was forced to choice a6400 due to my specific reason (more lean towards video work), and I'm not fan of this system. And it fits in my pocket with kit lens easily. So it's roughly compact.
I almost bought M50, but it had very poor battery life and no usb charging.
Like2Jul 12, 2019permalinkjsetiawanhttps://www.canon-europe.com/microphones/stereo-microphone-dm-e100/specifications/
Like0Mar 9, 2020permalinkredtailboasMan. Canon brought their A-game with these updates. Very nice. Would have loved to see the 24-120 on the G7X, post-focus, and image stacking (especially for low light), but otherwise impressed.
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkdeep7Any time a manufacturer loses a fake prism hump in a camera with an EVF I want to applaud them. Good on you, Canon.
Like9Jul 10, 2019permalinkavicenanwHope they will do the same on the next iteration of the Canon M50.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalinkAndrooleThey aren't fake prism humps.
Those humps literally contain the EVF components and the optics required to project the image.
Like4Jul 11, 2019permalinkpbug56I get your reaction. But dropping the swivel screen means this is a huge DOWNGRADE. Someone at Canon really hates these swivel screens that so many of us have found so handy.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkavicenanwYou mean the flip out swivel screen. The main reason is to make it as compact as possible.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalinkS YuNo it's an upgrade, it's far faster to pull out at a fraction of a second with one finger, and the screen stays where it should, that's near the axis behind the camera, instead of being forced to the side by the silly swivel.
Like2Jul 11, 2019permalinkdeep7Double win! Losing the annoying flippy screen as well. Wow.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkmpb002Better colors and lenses from Canon bs Sony. Im not even sure Sony makes their own glass. It might be from Tamron.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkStevenNI may be wrong, in fact I'm just guessing, but didn't Sony take over Minolta's operation? I know Minolta made their own glass.
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkpgm944How does the view-finder work with glasses? If you need reading glasses, can it compensate?
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkmcshanI wear reading glasses and the EVF on the RX100 IV is fine.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkpbug56The REAL G5X Mark NOTHING has a perfectly fine EVF that works well with glasses, and, of course, has that wonderful swivel screen, unlike this imitation. The new thing is a gussied up toy pocket camera.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkRanjanRIt has a dioptre adjustment. Most of those are iffy at best. I always shot with my progressives perched up on my nose!
Like0Aug 9, 2019permalinkzsa63In a similar price range as Ricoh GRIII for me, this is not an alternative.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkozturertYou should try to compare them at 24mm, 50mm, 70mm, 100 and 120mm. Will be interesting...
Like4Jul 11, 2019permalinkredtailboasWould like to see the 4k comparison as well.
Like3Jul 11, 2019*permalinkzsa63This always depends on the nature of use. I do not use this machine for video, but I do not use the zoom function either because I use it for urban, street or landscape photography. And the 18mm lens is perfect for that!
Like1Jul 13, 2019permalinkMarcelSlagmanSatisfied about the Ricoh GR III? Is the AF fast? And what about batterylife?I am considering buying a new compact, but can't decide between GR III, Lumix LX100 II, Sony RX100 VA and the new Canon compacts....
Like0Aug 6, 2019permalinkDualSystemGuyAll that speed (still much slower than RX100 VA) is kind of useless without a decent PDAF system. Canon also has a history of using very poor lenses on these models, hopefully that has changed for the new 24-120mm as I think that is a great range for this size of camera - I wish my Sony had a bit more without having to get the VI.
Like5Jul 10, 2019permalinkmcshanSo true. The G1X 3 could have been great but the lens was average and the camera's weakest point.
Like2Jul 10, 2019permalinkozturertWhich bad lenses? 24-100mm f1.8-2.8 lens is quite good and has been used in some Canon models.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalink
spider-mario The lens on the G1 X III is not very fast and does not have a lot of reach but it’s quite sharp.
Like2Jul 11, 2019permalinkozturertG1X III lens is actually very sharp.
Like3Jul 11, 2019permalinkMarcelSlagmanThe biggest problem of these compacts always is dust. That's why I bought an Olympus TG5, using it for photo and video while running, cycling, etc. If the sensor of the TG5 was 1'', it would be the best compact I think.
Like1Aug 6, 2019permalinkspider-mario Indeed, which is why I myself picked the G1 X III (which is weather-sealed) over alternatives such as the RV100 series.
Like0Aug 6, 2019permalinkDualSystemGuyI've been using P&S cameras for over 2 decades, having owned dozens and dozens of models across all price ranges, one thing I have never had an issue with is dust.
Like2Aug 6, 2019permalinkmcshanI too have never had a dust issue: Pan. LX3, RX100, RX100 IV, LX100 (Leica version), Canon G1X, Ricoh GR II, Canon G10,11,15, S90, S95, Fuji X100F...on and on and no dust issues. I DO take care of my cameras and never carry them in my pocket without a case.
Like3Aug 6, 2019*permalinkspider-mario Well, but dozens and dozens of them doesn’t leave that much time for each of them, does it? And presumably it might also depend on what kind of environment they are used and stored in.
It’s definitely not difficult to find stories of people having had such problems.https://www.flickr.com/groups/2009610@N22/discuss/72157640187282135/https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4020142https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4294961
Like0Aug 6, 2019permalinkmcshanI'm retired. Leaves plenty of time. A little care and dust isn't a problem.
Like2Aug 6, 2019permalinkDualSystemGuyI keep most of my cameras for many years and they are well used in every environment imaginable from the desert to the tropics to underwater. Believe me, if dust was a common problem I would have encountered it by now. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I do not believe it is a reason for anyone not to consider a camera like this.
Like3Aug 6, 2019permalinkspider-mario Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience.
Like0Aug 6, 2019permalinkozturertDear DualSystemGuy,1) Dust in some compacts is real. For example Panasonic LX100 is notorious for collecting dust. I have had 2 dozens of compacts and the only compacts that I saw dust in are the ones with larger sensor.2) Canon's lenses in 1" sensor cameras are very good.
Like1Aug 6, 2019permalinkDualSystemGuy@ozturet - if you read my reply you would see that I said it was possible to get dust in a P&S so I am not sure what you're getting at.
Anyway, my point is that it's not a common or widespread issue under normal circumstances, and the protection a fixed lens normally affords is a selling point of many P&S cameras. Sensor size itself has nothing to do with dust, all else equal.
The term P&S is getting pretty blurred these days as well when you look at the Sony RX100 series with 20FPS+ and proper PDAF between frames.
Like2Aug 6, 2019*permalinkscotthunterNo news on the G1X Mk IV? For people who don’t need something as compact as the G5X but want something smaller than a Sony A7, the G1X is a great camera.
Like3Jul 10, 2019permalinkozturertIf you ask DPReview, it is a bad one. If G1X III had a Ricoh badge, it'd be the best camera ever :)
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkscotthunterI prefer it for landscapes over these two cameras because of its larger sensor and higher resolution. I mostly shoot with a tripod in the mountains so the speed of the lens isn’t a dealbreaker for me. But this new G5X looks like an ideal pocket travel camera or for when you need to shoot fast moving scenes, low light scenes or just need extra reach on the lens.
Like2Jul 11, 2019permalinkSnappy HappyDoes this mean we will soon see an updated G3x and G9X as well?
Like0Jul 10, 2019permalink
Franz Weber Sorry, this doesn’t mean anything in particular regarding other products.
Like3Jul 10, 2019permalinkdeep7A pop-up viewfinder would transform the G3X into something genuinely desirable! The clip-on version put me right off a camera I would have loved to buy (to the extent I twice got something else - FZ1000, then RX10/4).
Like2Jul 10, 2019permalinkNextShowForSure@deep7For a dedicated large bridge like a G3X a dedicated hump EVF is by far the best answer. Canon will need to update their powershot software a lot for a new G3X because the rudimentary small centre points or everything focus options are basic to say the least for a big zoomer and just not competitive with what Panasonic. Sony and probably Nikon have to offer.
Like0Jul 22, 2019*permalinkdeep7Nextshowforsure: A dedicated hump is absolutely not the best answer. Never has been, never will be. It's totally a carryover from traditional, prism-equipped SLRs. For a camera which is designed to be as compact as possible, given its large zoom range, putting a big blister on top of a G3X would be a serious step backwards.
Like1Jul 22, 2019permalinkchapitaI was looking after a Lumix TZ200...it is comparable to any of the Canon?
Note: I don't care about 4x or whatever, just want to have a camera easy to carry out with a decent lens, able to take some macros and with a good zoom capacity.
Like0Jul 10, 2019permalinkjames s. kennedyI am not familiar with the Canons, but i have the Lumix ZS100 and 200 and they are fine cameras. The current price of the ZS100 is a good bargain. I have found the lenses to be quite sharp even when fully zoomed.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalink
BrentSchumer ZS100 and ZS200 have solid features and zoom at a very reasonable price. Their downside appears to be a large amount of quality variance in the lenses of individual cameras. If you get a sharp copy you'll have snagged an excellent deal. Note that the EVF is sequential which may bother some users.
Note that this is based on what I've read; I have only used these cameras in a store.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalink
gonzalu Is it me or are these replicas of Sony RX cameras?
Like8Jul 10, 2019permalink
sebiruns It is you. The original G7x was a lot closer to the rx100 series at the time design-wise.
Like3Jul 10, 2019permalinkgonzalu So you're saying I am right or wrong? LOL
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkozturertYou are wrong. With the same logic, the first Sony A7 is a replica of Nikon V1 because they are both mirrorless and they have an EVF.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkgonzalu These cameras are replicas of Sony RX100 models. Thanks ozuert and sebiruns for confirming :)
Like0Jul 12, 2019permalinksebiruns If it makes you happy...
Like1Jul 12, 2019permalinkgonzalu it does. I follow my dreams :)
Like0Jul 12, 2019permalinkjonbyOne of the big suppliers in the UK now has the G1X III at £999 and the G5X II at £899. Might be a tough choice for some.
Like0Jul 10, 2019permalinkmoscI don't understand why that would be a tough choice. The G5x2 is superior in every way.
Like2Jul 10, 2019permalinkFranz Weber Appart from image quality where it is inferior. The 24 MP Apsc sensor gives better results than the 20 MP 1-inch sensors. Better resolution and dynamic range. And the lens of my G1X III is noticeably sharper than the lens on my G7X II.
Dpreview have highlighted the slow apperture of the G1X III to much and forgot to mention the other benefits of the G1X III over it smaller cousins.
Maybe the G5X will get a sharper lens than the G7X line, which remains to be seen. But the larger sensor has advantages in daylight scenarios even with a slow apperture lens.
Like7Jul 10, 2019*permalinkjonby@mosc: Hardly. The G1X III has a bigger sensor, better dynamic range, more resolution, always available EVF, fully articulating screen, better grip, extra control dial, dual pixel autofocus and more I'm sure. The lens may also be sharper - we don't know yet. Yes the G5X II has many advantages and differences, but it's not going to be the best for everyone.
Like7Jul 10, 2019*permalinkredtailboasWill be very surprised if the G5X2 lens is sharper than G1X3. It's much more ambitious. That being said, only "you" will notice when peeping.
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkspider-mario The G1 X III is also weather-sealed.
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkpbug56I wouldn't take a G5X Mark 2 if you paid me to. The removal of the swivel. And I'm wondering how much smaller the EVF has to be to fit in that silly popup.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkozturertFranz Weber, DPReview forgets a lot of advantages of Canon cameras and focus only on negatives in their reviews. I am used to this trend now.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalinkscotthunterIf you want an idea of what the G1X III can do, check out my Scotland gallery:
https://www.scotthunterphotography.com/Scotland/
Put it on a tripod and the benefits of a much larger sensor and extra resolution means that it outperforms the G5X / G1X, and it doesn’t matter if you get it wet which is a big bonus.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalinkFranz Weber My guess is the G5Xll will have somewhat better image quality than the G7XII due to the new lens with 4 aspherical and UD elements in conjunction with the new Digic 8 processor.
On the other hand it will remain slightly below what the G1X III can deliver
Like0Jul 11, 2019*permalinkTom NelsonI was looking forward to buying the new G5 with 4K. I really liked that the G5 had a hot shoe. But the new G5 no longer has a hot shoe, so maybe not.
Like2Jul 10, 2019permalinkpbug56No hot shoe, no swivel, what I'm guessing is a smaller EVF. Sure, I'd love some enhancements, like 4k, but I'd settle for some better firmware. Not a fake G5X that loses such important features.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkDaft PunkWow Canon come to market with a relatively modern sensor that embraces current tech.
Do they have a new fab facility or are these brought in ?
Like0Jul 10, 2019permalinktokumeinoPerhaps they are just buying Sony sensors that were before that only used in the RX100 Line. They did so with the G7XII.
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkRevenantCanon has a history of using Sony sensors in compact cameras. The CCD in my old G12 is a Sony, for example.
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkwbyoungInteresting.I have the G11, so it might use the same Sony sensor?I hope you have better luck if you're still using it as I do periodically.The white balancing function failed recently.
(I use it because it is always in my pocket when I'm out shooting the 5D series... ).
Like0Aug 14, 2020permalinkRevenantYes, I believe the G11 and G12 use the same sensor (it's also used in the S90 and S95). I still use my G12 from time to time and it works as well as when it was new, as far as I can tell. Frankly, I don't require much more from a compact camera, so I never bothered to upgrade to a newer model.
Like0Aug 17, 2020permalink
thomas2279f Excellent releases Canon and good competitors to Sony's RX100's - shame Nikon lost its way in this market with late release and then canning their DL Range.
Best for Canon and Sony + Pany in still making as much ££/$$ as they can in this declining market in Compacts - as smart phones are continuing getting better and better
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkNextShowForSureNot declining as much as ILCs 2018/2019 looking at CIPA figures. With a bit of luck this may be the core fixed lens users we have reached. The real disaster is the falling ILC sales being matched by an increasing range of lens mounts which looks like a really thinning market for all the myriad types around. Sales are diving so let's increase our product diversity.Compacts have taken their hit from smartphones but I think a lot of ILC users have their heads in the sand as to their future prospects in the smartphone world as changing a lens is possibly going to be for many a very strange way of doing things.
Like1Jul 10, 2019*permalinkMarcelSlagmanLooks interesting to me. I love the Canon colours and the fast AF.But with 4K 60 fps they could have beaten Sony's RX series.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkozuidemaReally too bad that the G5X has lost its identity. I really like the DSLR style design of the mark I with the small but nice viewfinder and manual controls. Now it's more like Canon's take on the Sony RX100 (which I hate) and it also seems much closer to its own G7X mark III. Might buy the G1X mark III one day, which still sports DSLR-like features and also an APS-C sensor. But its lens is slow, which partly negates the benefits of the large sensor.
Like5Jul 10, 2019permalinkRanjanROriginal G5x has given its identity to G1X -III, at the behest of Papa Canon, but gained pocketability, I presume? Looks more like its playmates and peers, such as Sony Rx-100.
So what is the big deal? Canon has a better grip and way better than slippery sony?
Like0Aug 9, 2019permalinkTFDDPAF. DPAF is Canon's bad solution to on-sensor auto focus and to replace their live view on the 60D that took several seconds to focus, DPAF adds complexity to the sensor, reduces the effective pixel size and having a processor doing focus calculations over 40M pixels will never make it fast.
Like0Jul 10, 2019permalink
davev8 you are about the only one to complain about DPAF ....have you ever used DPAF?
Like0Jul 10, 2019permalinkTFDI was hoping I was the only one.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalink
Joseph K Boston For 900 bucks you get no 4K/24p, no accessory hotshoe, and no DPAF.
Oh, Canon.
Like17Jul 10, 2019permalinksebiruns Agreed with dpaf and 4k24p, but hotshoe? This is supposed to be a small pocketable camera. Most users wouldn‘t want it more bully to contain a hotshoe they never use instead of an onboard flash.
Like5Jul 10, 2019permalinkredtailboasOnboard popup much better than a hotshoe for many users. Very few people will care about 4k@24p. The DPAF would have been interesting but would have been an entirely different sensor.
Like3Jul 10, 2019permalinkAlexsfowhat’s the point w/o DPAF? Waiting for a new M camera with PDAF in 4k. These are no better than smartphone except for the zoom which won’t be needed in most cases. I bet battery life is worse too.
Like5Jul 10, 2019permalinkFranz Weber Sony does not sell the DPAF 1-inch sensors to Canon, and uses them for its own brand only. Canon cameras which sport DPAF incorporate Canons own APSC sensors.
Like2Jul 10, 2019*permalink(unknown member)@Franz- that is the explanation for why. but it doesn’t take away that the model should have it. the explanation doesn’t justify the model.
whether it’s still a good model or not is another point.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkKoolKoolso people complaining about len qualitywell, i think its possible for canon to put red L glass quality on these type compact...just like Zeiss on Sony
but no, canon can't be that nice
Like5Jul 10, 2019permalinkNextShowForSureThe glass and sensors are nice in the Sony but the current prices aren't and that indefinable quality of any camera in satisfaction and ease of use it and living with it can be a bit lacking.Somehow using Canon kit seems a more rounded and satisfying experience than with Sony's never ending stream of cold clinical state of the art gadgets apart from the touch screen interfacing which Sony struggles with.The sensors are on tap and Zeiss setup the lenses but somehow they lack a flair in making the camera accessible to the user that Canon's long experience can give. I always feel more relaxed holding a Canon camera in my hand than the always somehow more intimidating and unfriendly Sony equivalent.
Like2Jul 10, 2019permalinkbill1304I took both a Sony A6300 and a Canon G7X Mk II on a trip to the UK last month. Both took great pictures, but I found I was happier with the .JPEGs from the Canon where I used RAW with the Sony. Overall, better U/I and less post-processing with Lightroom for the Canon photos.
I was considering selling the Sony and moving to a Canon model with a viewfinder, so maybe the Canon G5X Mk II with its popup viewfinder will be the perfect fit for my normal use with travel photos. Canon seems to have great colors and image quality in a smaller, easy to carry package. The Sony takes great pictures, but I have to admit I've never been happy with the user interface.
Like6Jul 10, 2019permalinkdoadyLOL, no flash hotshoe on a $900 camera. These new cameras are a far cry from the old Canon G series. And these companies wonder why everyone is buying smartphones instead.
Like5Jul 9, 2019permalinkClayton1985I don't think people are lining up to attach a flash to a camera the size of the G5XII and G7XII. For better or for worse Canon decided to prioritize the smaller size with the G5XII and along with that decision it makes sense to remove the hotshoe.
Like24Jul 10, 2019permalink
chadley_chad They’re probably buying smart phones predominantly to make phone calls ... and sticking their big heavy flashes on their DSLR’s!
Like0Jul 10, 2019permalinkmermaidkillerCan you mention a smartphone with a hot shoe ?
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkNextShowForSureI remember with the G11 it was more a case of the camera being a small accessory to put on the flash rather than the other way around.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkdoadyIt's funny how some people interpreted my comment as a claim that smartphones have hotshoes. I always overestimate people's intelligence on this website.
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkredtailboasExcellent they skipped the hotshoe. Silly to put on a compact like this. Much nicer having the popup flash. The whole point is compactness.
Like4Jul 10, 2019permalinkDrewRickCanon apologists claiming that no hot show is needed on a camera this size apparently have never heard of pocket-sized flash transmitters, or flashes like the pocketable godox/flashpoint 350 series. Nor are they aware of the power of leaf shutter sync in this type of camera (hint: it's very powerful and the closest thing you will get to professional grade flash power on a budget, above-mentioned pocket flash can overpower the sun in broad daylight if you play your cards right). On a photography/art forum, finding this extent of ignorance/lack of imagination is surprising and sad. But maybe this is more of a camera brand advertising forum populated mainly by paid shills.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkNextShowForSure@DrewRickAnd possibly people prefer the natural light. Getting flash right is a skill which I find elusive and many people find my using flash a bit of a nuisance. You seem be taking a rather arrogant view from your assumed position as master of the art by calling us all ignorant paid shills.Plus canon have said they are continuing with the original G5X so a hot shoe is still available in the range.
Like1Jul 11, 2019*permalinkClayton1985@DrewRick.... we can tell you're proud of all of this knowledge you possess and you grin and perhaps drool a little bit looking in the mirror thinking about how you hid this knowledge from Canon until it was too late... oh, the possibilities if only you shared this knowledge with Canon! Or, could it be that you sit around and think about what you want in a camera while showing an above average amount of ignorance when it comes to the overall market and what the majority will buy. I suppose you're also imagining G5XII buyers with L brackets, rectangular filter systems, tripods, and more... if you'd be willing to share your imagination with Canon before they develop these products you might be able to imagine them right into bankruptcy!
Like2Jul 11, 2019permalinkredtailboasThe ignorant one is you. Who wants to carry around that extra crap? And where do you suppose to put the hot shoe? On the bottom? 🤣 This is geared towards people who want ultimatum compactness and no fuss. Not for you.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalinkDrewRickLooks like I stuck a nerve. Brand apologists are the reason Canon's management think they can get away with removing the pin from their camera's hot shoe to lock the faithful/clueless into their proprietary flash system.
Like0Jul 20, 2019permalinkNextShowForSure@DrewRickThe fact that you take an argument against your view as being an apologist for a brand is more of an insight in to your perspective being rather influenced by the brand being discussed.
Like2Jul 20, 2019*permalinkchadley_chad We’re getting into ‘brand’ wars again. I thought this childish nonsense was limited to apple and android users ... but clearly the wonderful world of photography has become infected with such rubbish likewise.
Like1Jul 21, 2019permalinkredtailboasCrying because he didn't get a hotshoe, even though no recent camera in this class offers a hotshoe. Even the $1200 Sony RX100 VI. Clearly this guy is off his rocker.
Like1Jul 22, 2019permalinkDrewRickSony compacts having no hot shoe also makes no sense. Using words like "crying" doesn't help btw
Like1Jul 22, 2019permalinkredtailboasIt makes complete sense. The massive majority of the market doesn't want/need one.
On top of the whole point of these cameras is to limit the amount of crap you need to carry around and the idea that these are supposed to be as compact as possible.
Considering these very obvious things, yes, unfortunately, so fervently believing that Sony, Panasonic, and Canon are all wrong with their very small form factor compacts, makes one out to be a bit of a crying (and very confused) brat, perhaps even deranged.
Like1Jul 22, 2019*permalinkchadley_chad Throwing my 5 cents worth into the mix, I know a lot of ‘amateur’ photographers who use small bodied cameras; non of whom (including myself) who would want to utilise a flash on a camera this small. Anyone looking to use a flash simply buys a more DSLR style bodied camera! Every time a small bodied camera comes out we get the usual moans about no EVF, no hot-shoe etc ... and it’s just stupid based on the target market (and use) these cameras are intended for. I can understand moans about no tilt screen, IBIS or fast lens ... but come on, if you need to utilise a hotshoe style flash, or an EVF is must, then go spec up another camera!
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Julian Kirkness Had a G5X for 4 days (left in a taxi) and really liked the ergonomics and design and wasn't too small and fiddle like the RX100 range.
Really disappointed by the popup viewfinder - as others have said this is really fiddly and not open when you need it quickly. May have to get another mark 1 (to go alongside my RX10 iv)
Like1Jul 9, 2019permalinkTerkwoizTo the contrary, one of the main reasons I’m considering the G5XII is because it has the pop-up viewfinder. It might be a small package (like the rx100iii) but it works incredibly well and allows you to compose perfectly in any conditions (bright sun or low light). Without a viewfinder the shooting experience just isn’t enjoyable whatsoever.
Like2Jul 10, 2019permalinkJulian Kirkness Quite agree that a viewfinder is essential - just not a filly pop up one. Thanks to this launch I decided to buy a TZ200 for my carry around / travel camera. It's definitely a better size than an Rx100 (and I assume the new canon) has a 1" sensor and permanently available viewfinder.
What would be perfect would be something like this but with Video removed and the ridiculous high frame rates removed. Just a fast focussing, responsive stills camera - I know it will never be produced though!!
Like0Jul 17, 2019permalinkFranz Weber Canon is clearly aiming for Sonys success is this class, but they should have copied Sonys habit of developing the sharpest lenses, not the fiddly viewfinder mechanism that Sony invented.
Like7Jul 9, 2019*permalinkTerkwoizBut we don’t know how sharp this canon lens is yet right? Or did I miss the samples? I for one love the pop-up viewfinder as opposed to using the back lcd which (for me) totally disconnects one from the shooting experience. I guess if you’re older with arthritis or have dexterity issues then the small viewfinders are less useful.
Like4Jul 10, 2019*permalinkredtailboasThe lenses are fine for most. Check the guy above who was happier with his G7X2 images compared to his A6300. I will agree that if you peep the corners on wide shots especially you're going to end up disappointed.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkmcshanI love the popup EVF of the RX100 IV. Never found it fiddly. It takes all of a second and a half to turn on and it is great. I'm thrilled Canon chose it.
Like3Jul 11, 2019permalinkSarkis CPHNo duel pixel auto focus? Wake up CanonWhen will you get it right?
Like4Jul 9, 2019permalinkFranz Weber Sony does not sell the DPAF 1-inch sensors to Canon, and uses them for its own brand only. Canon cameras which sport DPAF incorporate Canons own APSC sensors
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkNextShowForSure@Franz WeberPeople were hoping for dual pixel 1" sensors developed by Canon themselves rather than externally sourced embedded PDAF sensors.Dual pixel seems a far neater and elegant designed for the purpose way of doing things rather than putting the old DSLR phase detectors on the sensor instead of imaging pixels.
Like1Jul 10, 2019*permalinkabruzzopatYeah, it's pretty clear the 7 is video oriented and the 5 is stills oriented.
Let me ask this, why not concentrate all of your engineering effort on ONE camera that has all of the best features of these? I don't think any of the features conflict, so the only real trade off would be size or maybe price. I think very few people will buy both of these, so you're not "self cannibalizing".
Imagine a "G75" with all of the best features of both of these... this place would be buzzing...
Anyway, I'm more interested in stills, and my son "borrowed" my G7X, so I'll buy the G5Xii unless the reviews come back and say the lens is soft.
Like4Jul 9, 2019permalinkjavisan23Same here. Eagerly waiting on feedback on the quality of the lens.
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rpm40 I agree, there's no need now for these to be two separate models. Just release one model with all the features, and keep the old ones on the shelf like Sony does. The smaller g9x line could satisfy those who don't care about the VF, advanced features etc. Less confusion for buyers and more manufacturing efficiency.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkredtailboasI agree somewhat. It might have made more sense if they put YouTube function and audio jack on the G5X too and made it a very clear higher version. But with the G7X having features G5X doesn't, it leaves one scratching their head.
Like2Jul 10, 2019permalinkjohnwellingtonIt seems the new G5x could solve my issue with both the Panasonic LX100 and the Sony RX series, and that's the lens speed / reach equation. Both the rivals stop at around 70 mm equivalent, (the RX 6 goes much further, but then it's much slower too) A 120 mm equivalent at f2.8 should provide quite a nice natural bokeh for portraits. The other factor that's really important to me is how natural and effective the fill in flash will be - I make a lot of use of this. It's a pity the fixed eye level viewfinder has gone too, as I use a viewfinder exclusively, and I can't help thinking this is a rather delicate mechanism to break or get sand in, and it's another two separate actions to take to get a photo.
Like4Jul 9, 2019permalinkjames s. kennedyGiven the current price of the Panasonic ZS100, I would choose it over either Canon.
Like0Jul 9, 2019permalinkMarcelSlagmanA friend of mine has the ZS100 and is not satiesfied. The AF is sluggish, the photos are not as sharp as they could be.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinktokumeinoG7X : where to attach the external mic ?
Like1Jul 9, 2019permalinkIamToddNorrisCanon Logic: You have to buy another canon camera to go along with it. Use the hot shoe on one and plug the mic into the other one.
🙄
Like7Jul 9, 2019permalinkClive99The weak point of these cameras is the lens. Sensor is fine, it was fine on the previous ones. The G7xII had a very soft lens. I tried two of them and had to return them. Sounds like G7xIII is the same lens. I hope the G5xII new lens is better. Seems unlikely, as they went more aggressive with the reach. Frankly, I'd prefer a sharp 24-70 equivalent lens, rather than one that's driven by marketing numbers.
Like8Jul 9, 2019permalinktokumeinoThe G7X lens is not soft, but it is the heaviest corrected I've ever seen. For subjects where natural shapes prevail over straight lines, provided you shoot RAW and don't use LR (it forces you to crop the captured image), then you have an outstanding lens, actually (much) wider than the advertised 28mm (FF eqvlt).
Like1Jul 9, 2019permalink
Gal Root Personally I would rather see a 20-200mm lens. I'm ok with some sacrifices in order to get better reach. Right now my two options are Panasonic and Sony . The latter costs a kidney and an arm, so that leaves me with just Panasonic. I would love to see Canon there too.In the range of 24-70 it would be hard to justify a camera over a high end phone.
Like2Jul 9, 2019permalinkkbrydI have G7xII and the lens is just fine, it is about the same sharp as my Fuji's 18-55 2.8-4.
Like1Jul 9, 2019permalinkClive99Well, my fuji 18-55 is much, much sharper. Infact, my Nikon J5 10-30mm is also much sharper and was used for the basis of comparison. I found that lowly Nikon to be much sharper than either the G7xII or the RX100V. RX100V was sharper than the canon, though.Can't comment on whether perceived softness was due to high levels of correction. I returned it. Just found i did not like the results and kept my Nikon J5.
Like1Jul 9, 2019permalinkMCHammerAfter being a Canon fan for at least 10 years, I got a G5x last year. I and was so disappointed with the lens, the autofocus (unreliable) and the manual focus (unusable) that I got rid of it and got a Sony A6000. I lost a fair amount of money, and Canon has lost me as a customer (as well as the camera shop that recommended the G5X). The A6000 is everything I wanted in a small camera after selling my Nikon DSLR.
Like3Jul 9, 2019permalinkabruzzopatMCHammer: That's fine and understandable. Just curious, why are you here commenting on the new Canon offering then?
Like0Jul 10, 2019*permalinkMCHammerI don't know. Sour grapes, I suppose. I do still like to read the reviews and see what the manufacturers are up to. Also to comment that if Canon hasn't made the new lens any sharper (which I admit no one knows yet) then I think my experience with the older model is relevant here.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkmermaidkillerYou want a 20-200 zoom ? Get an RX100VI which is close (24-200) but it sacrifices brightness f/2.8 instead of f/1.8.
Like0Jul 11, 2019permalinkGal Root I would if it didn't cost an arm and a kidney. That's the sony I was referring to in my previous comment.
Like0Jul 11, 2019*permalinkAbrasiveReducerWith the EVF and having a proper handgrip, these could be really nice if the lens is sharp in the corners. Then again, if the real purpose of these is video, corner softness might go unnoticed. I wonder why DPR did not get a "pre-production" camera.
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pekr Sony sensor is imo kind of a let down for such a big player in an imaging field, as Canon is, simply telling us, Canon is not able to compete.
Like2Jul 9, 2019*permalinkpacnwhobbyistThey have long used Sony sensors in their Powershot cameras. Everytime a Powershot has advertised having a BSI-CMOS sensor in it, that's from Sony.
Like9Jul 9, 2019permalinkpekr I know, I have just expected Canon is able to up the game and make their own. Would be some sign new sensor generation for DSLRs/MILCs is on the horizont.
Like1Jul 9, 2019permalinkCamleyBut then we have so many people on these forums saying that Canon should use Sony sensors. I guess that they can't win whatever they do.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkrealmadeiraHow these cameras compare to RX100VA?
Like1Jul 9, 2019permalink
ybizzle No PDAF on the sensors but you get longer reach on the lenses and mic jack on the G7X if you care about video.
Like2Jul 9, 2019permalinkmcshanI am more interested in seeing sample galleries (both DPR and elsewhere). Hoping Canon didn't go cheap on the lens.
Like1Jul 11, 2019permalink
SpiralTower Has the macro capability gotten any better?
Like0Jul 9, 2019permalinkHachu21Yes! g5x mk II :mini focus distance : 20cm @120mmso it's a x0.45 ratio (double than G7X mkII)
Like3Jul 9, 2019permalinkSpiralTower Not bad, now I hope that there will be a underwater housing.
Like0Jul 9, 2019permalinkthscanG5X II: EVF but no mic input at all
G7X: Without EVF but with mic input WITHOUT hotshoe to attach it. Also slightly limited lens compared to G5X II
Both cameras: limited 4k time, without 24pSorry Canon. I had high expectations. Manufacturers want us to buy one product per category when they could produce an excellent all-in-one. Still they pretend to care for the environment.
Hypocricy in all its glory.
Like8Jul 9, 2019permalinkmegafolieIn all respect, you would not be able to use the tilt screen upward with an external microphone attached on this desired hotshoe.
Like1Jul 10, 2019permalinkmermaidkillerWithout 24p ? But it has 30p, so what is the problem ?Converting videos to an 8mm spool film ?
Like0Jul 10, 2019permalink
Tazz93 This sensor seems very interesting, I'm a little excited to see the final couple of DSLR's to come out of Canon now.
Like1Jul 9, 2019permalinkovatabthis upgrade strongly supports my conspiracy theory about camera manufacturers secret pact to avoid perfect cameras on the market
every new camera must be slightly crippled
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Barney Britton A perfect conspiracy theory in one respect - it makes absolutely no sense ;)
Like13Jul 9, 2019permalinkthscanI agree with you.
Like0Jul 9, 2019permalinkAbrasiveReducerThat's the great thing about conspiracy theories; they don't have to make any sense.
Like9Jul 9, 2019permalinkHorshack@Barney, There may not be a secret pact between camera makers to avoid making the perfect camera but evidence and logic suggests each has an internal pact along those lines, which ultimately has the same effect - releasing cameras with glaring shortcomings or missing features, which magically get resolved in a future iteration of the product.
Like4Jul 9, 2019*permalinkBarney Britton The question I always ask to people to espouse this kind of theory is "Are the features that you're complaining about being missing in this model available in other models higher up in the same company's lineup?"
If the answer is "yes" (which 99% of the time it will be) then this is simple product / lineup differentiation. As such, it's a near-universal practice among companies which exist to sell people manufactured consumer goods which they don't need to eat or burn for energy.
You can complain about company a) having more competitive options than company b) at a given point in time, and that's fair enough, but it's a different point. In general, competition spurs every manufacturer to make better products. Some just do it faster / differently to others.
Like7Jul 9, 2019*permalinkHorshack@Barney, That's a fair point but consider how those differentiating product-segmentation features seem to often trickle down to the models being complained about, such that if you look at the progression of an individual product line in a vacuum you'll see the telltale signs of well-planned feature hobbling. What at first appearance looks like product segmentation and cannibalization-avoidance (your points) suddenly starts to instead look like each product segment independently following a hobbling strategy.
Like2Jul 9, 2019permalinkBarney Britton "each product segment independently following a hobbling strategy."
Or a natural effort to get already invested consumers to pay more for advanced features found higher up the product lineup. You're free to dislike the strategy (some manufacturers do this to a more tedious extent than others) but it's not sinister, it's just business.
Like2Jul 9, 2019permalinkovataba perfect conspiracy always has agents in mainstream media to cover it up. now I suspect BB and DPR are part of the (sinister?) business!
Like0Jul 9, 2019permalinkcamcom12Interesting points.It's "4-steps forward and 2-steps backward" product marketing. Since each and every feature costs money to make, hardware or firmware, it's standard operating procedure. More firmware features require more memory, which affects size, speed, power consumption & battery life.
It's balancing act for camera makers to include features for today & the future (Wif-Fi, 4K, 1:1 aspect, front-facing LCD panel) while deleting those that may have become less relevant (embedded GPS, hot shoe, interval timer, raw>jpeg processing).
Like0Jul 9, 2019permalinkNextShowForSureFor a perfect camera wouldn't you need a perfect customer?
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