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| 08-27-2012, 01:56 PM | #1 |
passing hey   60Rep 476Posts Drives: caprice wagon Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: cruisin down the street in my '64 iTrader: (5) | CCC ---> CIC Upgrade Hello Forum, Forgive me as I promise to have searched left and right. I am in the process of a CIC upgrade. I have all parts required.. However, I have not proceeded with the install due to the following obstacles: 1- I have no FSC Code or Emulator 2- I have no idea what to code or in what order. So, my questions are: 1- Which FSC code do I need? I know there are several. What does the FSC code cost? What does an emulator cost? I know the pros/cons to both.. But which is commonly used during these upgrades? 2- Which items must be coded? (As far as I know, Sirius, Premium Sound, etc..) A full list would be appreciated. 3- In what order should these items be coded to work together properly? Thank you. |
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aussiem3 Colonel    285Rep 2,671Posts Drives: Goggomobil Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kangaroo land iTrader: (1) Garage List2017 BMW X6/// F86 [0.00] | Coding is not something we can do. There are professionals on this board who can help you out who are based in the USA. There is also Patryk www.bimmer-tech.net who also can help you out. Don't procrastinate, get some professional help. Recently I did a CIC implant on a '07 car, and I did all the parts swapping but the coding was done by Patryk. You can get help from Tech, Mike Benova to name a couple, who are in USA. These guys are real pros and they do this for a living. Good luck. __________________  |
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| 08-27-2012, 07:51 PM | #3 |
THE TECH BimmerPost Supporting Vendor  321Rep 12,980Posts  Drives: BPMsport 2012 E92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Kansas iTrader: (45) Garage List2013 Nissan GTR [0.00]2019 Sierra Denali ... [0.00]1999 Nissan Silvia [0.00]1999 Nissan Skyline ... [0.00]1998 Toyota Supra [0.00] | This is what we do. Thanks for the referral aussiem3. Email or PM for a quote. |
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| 08-27-2012, 08:38 PM | #4 |
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| 08-27-2012, 11:15 PM | #5 |
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| 08-30-2012, 10:14 PM | #6 |
BPMSport BimmerPost Supporting Vendor  3457Rep 7,252Posts Drives: 2x Harrop E90 M3, E92 M3, E39 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (9) Garage List2000 BMW M5 [0.00]1990 BMW 735i Turbo [0.00]2008 BMW M3 [7.50]2015 BMW M3 [0.00]2015 BMW M5 [0.00] | Quote: | Originally Posted by passing Hello Forum, Forgive me as I promise to have searched left and right. I am in the process of a CIC upgrade. I have all parts required.. However, I have not proceeded with the install due to the following obstacles: 1- I have no FSC Code or Emulator 2- I have no idea what to code or in what order. So, my questions are: 1- Which FSC code do I need? I know there are several. What does the FSC code cost? What does an emulator cost? I know the pros/cons to both.. But which is commonly used during these upgrades? 2- Which items must be coded? (As far as I know, Sirius, Premium Sound, etc..) A full list would be appreciated. 3- In what order should these items be coded to work together properly? Thank you. | 1. Best bet is to get a hardware activation box. I have them in stock as well as the retrofit harnesses if you don't want to wire them in. This will negate the need for expensive FSC codes. 2. Depends what you retrofit. Ususally I recode the CIC to match the car it is going into. If you get combox, there are further changes necessary. 3. Doesn't matter, no particular order. If the car the donor CIC came from had the same audio system as you, your sound will work. If not, this will need to be recoded to re-gain the audio functionality. Sirius will require an FSC code if the donor CIC didn't have it, or you can use the sirius tuner from the 2008 cars and skip the FSC requirement. __________________  -----| Like us on Facebook | Instagram || Tuning Information | Remote Coding |----- ----Visit us at www.BPMSport.com - Emotion. Driven. | Toll Free: (888) 557-5133---- |
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| 08-31-2012, 04:40 AM | #7 |
| aussiem3 Colonel 285Rep 2,671Posts Drives: Goggomobil Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kangaroo land iTrader: (1) Garage List2017 BMW X6/// F86 [0.00] | Quote: | Originally Posted by Mike Benvo 3. Doesn't matter, no particular order. If the car the donor CIC came from had the same audio system as you, your sound will work. If not, this will need to be recoded to re-gain the audio functionality. Sirius will require an FSC code if the donor CIC didn't have it, or you can use the sirius tuner from the 2008 cars and skip the FSC requirement. | Does this mean in addition to activating the premium sound there are other functionalities that require coding? Like the equalizer etc. My sound hasn't been the same after the CIC implant. When I make changes to the equalizer settings, the gains are minimal. I don't know whether this is me or it's really happening. Any advice will be appreciated. __________________ |
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| 08-31-2012, 04:51 AM | #8 |
Patrys@BimmerTech Banned  630Rep 2,013Posts Drives: 2007 E92 335i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Warsaw/Poland iTrader: (7) | Most people choose our PnP Activation over the OEM Activation since it's much cheaper and they are very happy with their choice. However you should understand the difference before you choose your preferred activation option. The OEM activation is 100% software solution based on special activation codes generated by BMW AG in Germany. After obtaining the codes they are loaded into the CIC together with your VIN number and the Navigation and/or Voice Control become active. This is the same activation as done at the factory when the car is built. The PnP Activation is an aftermarket module which is installed in the car to tamper the communication between the CIC and the rest of the car. The module can bypass the VIN verification procedure that CIC performs and therefore activate the Navigation and the Voice Control. Possible consequences of using the aftermarket activation: - An aftermarket, non-BMW approved hardware can in theory interfere with other electronic modules in the car and cause unpredictable issues. - Using an aftermarket module means that the CIC will have the VIN of the donor car. The map update will have to be ordered using the VIN stored in the CIC instead of your VIN. BimmerTech and its authorized dealers can offer you both OEM and PnP activation as well as full retrofit coding. |
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| 08-31-2012, 08:26 PM | #9 |
| BPMSport BimmerPost Supporting Vendor 3457Rep 7,252Posts Drives: 2x Harrop E90 M3, E92 M3, E39 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (9) Garage List2000 BMW M5 [0.00]1990 BMW 735i Turbo [0.00]2008 BMW M3 [7.50]2015 BMW M3 [0.00]2015 BMW M5 [0.00] | Quote: | Originally Posted by aussiem3 Does this mean in addition to activating the premium sound there are other functionalities that require coding? Like the equalizer etc. My sound hasn't been the same after the CIC implant. When I make changes to the equalizer settings, the gains are minimal. I don't know whether this is me or it's really happening. Any advice will be appreciated. | There are many specific changes in the coding depending on what your vehicle is fitted with. As an example, if you take a CIC unit from a 335 and put it in the M3, you won't have M-Drive functionality. The equalizer and everything should theoretically work as long as the car that the CIC came from had the same sound system you do. In every car that I have retrofitted with CIC from the CCC, the sound quality and clarity has DRASTICALLY improved. I think that the CIC has much better sound processing capabilities. Not sure specifically what your issue may be, but having it properly coded to the car would alleviate these concerns and ensure that all of the settings are correct and consistent with your vehicle. Best bet is to have it recoded to spec to match your car as if it came installed from the factory. In terms of the PnP activation modules, I have had zero issues with the ones that I use. Going the FSC code route is well over 100% more expensive. As Patrys said, if you go with the activation module, map updates will be based off of the donor VIN. Not really an issue as I see it. I can pull the original VIN that the CIC came from remotely for your records to update maps in future years. __________________ -----| Like us on Facebook | Instagram || Tuning Information | Remote Coding |----- ----Visit us at www.BPMSport.com - Emotion. Driven. | Toll Free: (888) 557-5133---- |
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| 09-07-2012, 11:30 AM | #10 |
| aussiem3 Colonel 285Rep 2,671Posts Drives: Goggomobil Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kangaroo land iTrader: (1) Garage List2017 BMW X6/// F86 [0.00] | Thank you very much Mike. Patryk and Co., will be looking at a couple of things on my car tomorrow. I will ask them to have a look at and see if there are any issues and if required, may be a recode. Patryk has been extremely helpful. A few minutes ago, I had BMW live/Internet retrofitted to my wide 2011 X3 (F25). Works beautifully. __________________ |
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| 09-07-2012, 11:32 AM | #11 |
| passing hey 60Rep 476Posts Drives: caprice wagon Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: cruisin down the street in my '64 iTrader: (5) | meanwhile, i have no emulator. |
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| 09-07-2012, 11:35 AM | #12 |
VSmotorsports Lieutenant Colonel   165Rep 1,624Posts Drives: e92 M3 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Schaumburg, IL iTrader: (3) | You can also talk to Kris@modmynav, he can help you through the process, we had him help us with a customer we did awhile back |
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| 09-07-2012, 01:39 PM | #13 |
| kawasaki00 Lieutenant Colonel 234Rep 1,673Posts Drives: SG-E92 ESS-650 BPM Tune Join Date: May 2012 Location: Charlotte NC iTrader: (11) | [QUOTE=Mike Benvo;12606814] The equalizer and everything should theoretically work as long as the car that the CIC came from had the same sound system you do. In every car that I have retrofitted with CIC from the CCC, the sound quality and clarity has DRASTICALLY improved. I think that the CIC has much better sound QUOTE] I agree, I am thinking about the change over in my ccc. My wife has a 328 that the head unit went out, it was a 08. They replaced it with the newer professional unit that from what we were told has the same internals of a cic M3 unit. She picked up hd radio with the new one and it sounds totally different that it did before. It makes my m3 sound like crap. __________________  Electronics Junkie, Engine Builder. |
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| 09-07-2012, 08:12 PM | #14 |
| aussiem3 Colonel 285Rep 2,671Posts Drives: Goggomobil Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kangaroo land iTrader: (1) Garage List2017 BMW X6/// F86 [0.00] | Quote: | Originally Posted by Mike Benvo Not sure specifically what your issue may be, but having it properly coded to the car would alleviate these concerns and ensure that all of the settings are correct and consistent with your vehicle. Best bet is to have it recoded to spec to match your car as if it came installed from the factory. | At low volume the system sounds crappy compared to my wife's X3 which also has the high-end sound system. The X3 system as you said, is crispy and has clarity, thats lacking in the M3. But turn the volume up in the M3, god, it sound amazing. I am not a person who turns up the volume in everyday driving. When I am in a mood, then yes, just to take something off my mind. Hence me raising the question. I will speak with Men (Bimmer-Tech) today and see what he has to say. Cheers Mike for your insight.  __________________ |
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| 09-13-2012, 11:42 AM | #15 |
jacobniell Second Lieutenant    15Rep 236Posts Drives: BMW 335i Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Denmark iTrader: (0) Garage List2007 335i [0.00] | Quote: | Originally Posted by Mike Benvo 1. Best bet is to get a hardware activation box. I have them in stock as well as the retrofit harnesses if you don't want to wire them in. This will negate the need for expensive FSC codes. 2. Depends what you retrofit. Ususally I recode the CIC to match the car it is going into. If you get combox, there are further changes necessary. 3. Doesn't matter, no particular order. If the car the donor CIC came from had the same audio system as you, your sound will work. If not, this will need to be recoded to re-gain the audio functionality. Sirius will require an FSC code if the donor CIC didn't have it, or you can use the sirius tuner from the 2008 cars and skip the FSC requirement. | Hey I send you a request through your internetsite regarding coding of a CIC unit in my car, but I never heard any thing from you?? |
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| 09-14-2012, 12:10 AM | #16 |
BlueMonde F33DM3  17Rep 304Posts Drives: E92 ///M3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston iTrader: (1) | Quote: | Originally Posted by jacobniell Hey I send you a request through your internetsite regarding coding of a CIC unit in my car, but I never heard any thing from you?? | Performance Tuning Software / Remote Feature Coding ///BPMSport.com - (Very behind - Please allow 3 weeks for email replyor call for faster response) Email: benvo@bpmsport.com | Tel: (888) 557-5133 | Direct: (310) 488-2418 __________________  |
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| 09-27-2012, 10:38 AM | #17 |
| passing hey 60Rep 476Posts Drives: caprice wagon Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: cruisin down the street in my '64 iTrader: (5) | does anyone have any pinout information for the connector to the HD screen? thanks |
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| 09-27-2012, 04:13 PM | #18 |
| mazda3ndp Captain 54Rep 603Posts Drives: E9x M3 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bergen NJ iTrader: (8) | I am pretty sure this is how it goes, but hopefully someone can assert that this is correct Attached Images  |
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| 09-27-2012, 04:21 PM | #19 |
phrozen06 Lieutenant Colonel  235Rep 1,769Posts Drives: 328it, RIP M3, E46 Sold Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 39°27'33"N 77°58'04"W W. Virgina, Kansas iTrader: (2) | gr8 thread __________________  |
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| 09-27-2012, 07:40 PM | #20 |
| passing hey 60Rep 476Posts Drives: caprice wagon Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: cruisin down the street in my '64 iTrader: (5) | Quote: | Originally Posted by mazda3ndp I am pretty sure this is how it goes, but hopefully someone can assert that this is correct | thank you, hopefully someone can confirm. (not that i don't believe you...) Quote: | Originally Posted by phrozen06 gr8 thread | indeed. congratulations on your new car, by the way. you'll love it even more once you get tired of watching paint dry via the CCC. if you have it.. |
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Dominic_M Second Lieutenant  15Rep 255Posts Drives: 08 ///M3 and 2014 535i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (0) | where do i get the information to get my CCC to CIC. Just getting a 2008 E90 and would like to upgrade |
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| 03-07-2013, 04:16 PM | #22 |
| passing hey 60Rep 476Posts Drives: caprice wagon Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: cruisin down the street in my '64 iTrader: (5) | Quote: | Originally Posted by Dominic_M where do i get the information to get my CCC to CIC. Just getting a 2008 E90 and would like to upgrade | i sent you a PM.. |
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