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pembrokeshire Mar 24, 2013 2,597 7,641 147 48 Hi, got a 11 plate 7040 with 2000hrs on. Its quite sluggish on the road compared to the old 3185 fastrac but more concerning is I find it very heavy on diesel. Had it dyno tested and it was doing 190 and 213 boosted. Was contemplating trying either a chip or a remap? Which is the safer and more effective? Not looking to set the world alight but if I could mmake it a bit more frugal id be happy. Cheers.

Chae1

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Aberdeenshire May 26, 2013 32,749 65,683 165 46 Sluggish and heavy on fuel compared to a fastrac!?

Timbo75

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Shropshire Feb 16, 2013 7,746 1 6,875 46 50 Speak with the Derv Dr.

Brisel

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Arable Farmer Midlands Feb 14, 2013 41,119 45,284 201 Beware! My predecessor fitted cheap chip units to my T7050 & both JD 7930s. All melted exhaust manifolds regularly & one of the 7930s blew an engine & 3 turbos, as well as needing fuel 3 times/day. The chips told the ECU that the fuel was several hundred degrees C so it should shove more through. The T7050 broke 5 transmissions, 2 turbos, 4 manifolds & was sold the day the warranty ran out. Looking at your avatar, what are you going to do with extra hp? More hp = more fuel consumed, especially if it isn't designed for it. I haven't yet met a tractor driver who hasn't used every last hp available. Light duties & road work might make it more fuel efficient but heavy draught/PTO work will kill it. If you really must go down this road then you will get what you pay for. I'd suggest a decent custom made remap rather than an off the shelf plug & play chip. If the fitter isn't going to bring a dyno when they do the remap then look eslewhere.

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Innovate UK Kent Feb 14, 2013 14,546 21,648 165

Brisel said: Beware! My predecessor fitted cheap chip units to my T7050 & both JD 7930s. All melted exhaust manifolds regularly & one of the 7930s blew an engine & 3 turbos, as well as needing fuel 3 times/day. The chips told the ECU that the fuel was several hundred degrees C so it should shove more through. The T7050 broke 5 transmissions, 2 turbos, 4 manifolds & was sold the day the warranty ran out. Looking at your avatar, what are you going to do with extra hp? More hp = more fuel consumed, especially if it isn't designed for it. I haven't yet met a tractor driver who hasn't used every last hp available. Light duties & road work might make it more fuel efficient but heavy draught/PTO work will kill it. If you really must go down this road then you will get what you pay for. I'd suggest a decent custom made remap rather than an off the shelf plug & play chip. If the fitter isn't going to bring a dyno when they do the remap then look eslewhere. Click to expand...

You had warranty even with it chipped?

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Northumberland Feb 15, 2013 2,918 2,454 127 49

Badshot said: You had warranty even with it chipped? Click to expand...

No warranty, you can't expect it if you modify the ecu or any other controller away from what it is designed produce.Yet many think it's ok to do so and expect the manufacturer to stand warranty :whistle:

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Aberdeenshire May 26, 2013 32,749 65,683 165 46

green giant said: No warranty, you can't expect it if you modify the ecu or any other controller away from what it is designed produce.Yet many think it's ok to do so and expect the manufacturer to stand warranty Click to expand...

Nh. Don't seem to mind. Don't hear of many head gasket s, turbos, egr valves etc failing on them?

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Brisel

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Arable Farmer Midlands Feb 14, 2013 41,119 45,284 201

Badshot said: You had warranty even with it chipped? Click to expand...

Yep. The dealer owed us big time after they had been very shoddy with our first T7050 when it went wrong several times in year 1 before any thoughts about chipping it. Transmissions broke regularly which took months to wrangle over & fix then eventually the first tractor was sent back to New Holland with a solicitor's letter as it hadn't even been built properly (parts missing & not tightened properly). The dealer wasn't blame free either so they turned a blind eye to the chip when fixing subsequent problems. Despite my last 3 personal cars being remapped I wouldn't ever fit a chip or remap to a tractor again. I'd just buy a bigger one in the first place! A car is different as it's not running at full power all the time plus my current Audi only has 5% more max power, not the 25% provided by the tractor chips. All tractor brands have their issues - with NH it was gearboxes IME.

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Arable Farmer south norfolk Feb 14, 2013 20,437 34,585 198 63 Can never figure out why people dont buy the horse power they want instead of buying somthing smaller and then modifying it and complaining when the inevitble problems occur Nick...

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Aberdeenshire May 26, 2013 32,749 65,683 165 46

nick... said: Can never figure out why people dont buy the horse power they want instead of buying somthing smaller and then modifying it and complaining when the inevitble problems occur Nick... Click to expand...

Its those nh power figures confusing everyone.

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boyo

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pembrokeshire Mar 24, 2013 2,597 7,641 147 48

Chae1 said: Sluggish and heavy on fuel compared to a fastrac!? Click to expand...

My old 3185 went like a rocket and was relatively good on fuel apart from when it was getting pushed hard, like on the wagon, then it use to drink a drop. Problem was that the hydraulics wernt up to the job. The 7040 seems heavy on fuel even on light jobs.

boyo

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pembrokeshire Mar 24, 2013 2,597 7,641 147 48

nick... said: Can never figure out why people dont buy the horse power they want instead of buying somthing smaller and then modifying it and complaining when the inevitble problems occur Nick... Click to expand...

Nick, I dont want a bigger tractor at all and power wise its fine in the field. It just seems to give up a bit quick when it sees a hill. It dosent help that the boost switches off in 15th gear. We have a large hill coming up towards our farm and it kicks out right when you need the power. Most of all though im just wondering if a remap may make it a bit more economical. J

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Feb 14, 2013 1,409 575 83 sell it and replace with s/h 7060 or T7 260. I have/had pretty much the whole 70/T7 range and the only models worth having is the 7060 or 260 otherwise they're a fairly heavy tractor for their nominal power outputs FYI these tractors are around 200 useful hp, forget all other quoted figures Last edited: Apr 27, 2014

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Media Limavady, Northern Ireland Feb 17, 2013 4,015 2,097 140 39 www.facebook.com Well then why not get the software updated if it is kicking out the boost light as it shouldnt on 15th gear as the t7040 wouldnt kick it out at 15th with 15t of silage in the trailer. Or why not change to a t7,270 and then you will have plenty of power and it will be physically no bigger!

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JohnDeere8530 said: sell it and replace with s/h 7060 or T7 260. I have/had pretty much the whole 70/T7 range and the only models worth having is the 7060 or 260 otherwise they're a fairly heavy tractor for their nominal power outputs FYI these tractors are around 200 useful hp, forget all other quoted figures Click to expand...

Sell it and forget NH, I am not a Massey fan at all but a 6495/99 would fit the bill, boosted in range 3 and 4 and reasonably economical as well.

boyo

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pembrokeshire Mar 24, 2013 2,597 7,641 147 48 not up for change, I really like it and it goes well. just wondered if £500 would improve it.

Andy - AR Imagery

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Media Limavady, Northern Ireland Feb 17, 2013 4,015 2,097 140 39 www.facebook.com

boyo said: not up for change, I really like it and it goes well. just wondered if £500 would improve it. Click to expand...

Try the software update, could transform it.

Brisel

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Arable Farmer Midlands Feb 14, 2013 41,119 45,284 201 Is that a newer engine map?

Mursal

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Feb 13, 2014 18,116 10,821 162 Do you find it any better just after a service? Remapping, but you are in the hands of whoever rewrote the map, so maybe a chat with some satisfied customers of the same remap, would be worthwhile? If you have test pilots at the wheel, I doubt very much if you will safe on fuel. Did you try a bit of 2x1 under the pedal?

Mark C

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Bedfordshire Feb 17, 2013 2,277 3,866 150 Steve, Our old t6080 was sluggish on the road and I put it down to the transmission inefficiency rather than lack of engine power. My 6420s auto quad would walk away from it on the same road with the same load but was 20hp less!

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