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CMI Defense and BAE Systems Hägglunds presented a new medium tank 23 2014 June 37 018 61 At the international arms and equipment exhibition Eurosatory 2014, which closed on Friday, several leading global companies presented their new developments. Thus, the Belgian CMI Defence and the Swedish BAE Systems Hägglunds showed their new medium танк, in the design of which several original ideas were used. According to the company CMI Defence, the task of the new project was to create a promising medium tank with a relatively small combat weight, high mobility and great flexibility of use. The project received the index CV90105.To ensure high performance, as well as to reduce the cost of production, the promising tank CV90105 was created on the basis of existing designs. The CV90 infantry fighting vehicle of the Swedish design was taken as the basis for a new type of vehicle. This BMP is in operation for about 20 years and mastered by the armed forces of several countries, which should positively affect the prospects of the new medium tank. It is proposed to install a Belgian-made Cockerill XC-8 combat module on the base machine chassis. The armament and all necessary electronic equipment is installed on this tower. In addition, in the tower are the jobs of the crew.It is alleged that the combat mass of the new medium tank CV90105 is within 25 tons. Machine dimensions are the same as in the case of the base BMP. The chassis is equipped with a Scania diesel engine with power up to 810 HP. With such a power plant, the machine is able to reach speeds up to 70 km / h on the highway. The chassis is equipped with seven track rollers with a torsion bar on each side.The layout of the base infantry fighting vehicle facilitated the construction of a medium tank at its base. The engine compartment of the CV90105 is located in front of the hull. At the left side there is a separation of management with the workplace of the driver. Cockerill XC-8 tower is installed on the chassis of the base chassis. The volume of the BMP assault squad is dedicated to the placement of additional equipment.Cockerill XC-8 combat module is a tower with weapons, all the necessary equipment and jobs of two crew members: the commander and the gunner. The tower has a recognizable shape formed by armor plates connected at different angles. For storage of ammunition combat module received a developed feed niche. On the roof of the tower, to the left of the gun, there is a rotary block of the optical-electronic system of the commander, designed to monitor the situation and, if necessary, guide the gun. To the right of the gun on the turret, a similar system is installed that the gunner must use. According to reports, the commander and gunner have dual-channel (day and night) sights, as well as a laser rangefinder.The armament of the CV90105 medium tank depends on the customer's wishes. The XC-8 turret can be equipped with a 105 mm rifled gun or a 120 mm smoothbore gun. The new turret is equipped with an original weapon installation system that provides large vertical aiming angles. The maximum elevation angle reaches +42 °, thanks to which the combat vehicle will be able to fire effectively in difficult conditions, for example, in the mountains or in the city. High-pressure guns with a low recoil impulse allow the use of the entire range of ammunition of the corresponding caliber. To hit targets at ranges of up to 5 kilometers, the promising tank will be able to use guided missiles Falarick 105 or Falarick 120, developed in Ukraine (Luch State Design Bureau, Kyiv).The Cockerill XC-8 turret is equipped with a two-plane weapon stabilizer, which increases the accuracy of firing from a cannon and a rifle caliber machine gun paired with it. Another way to improve performance, as well as reduce the overall weight of the machine has become automatic loader. Automatic mechanisms for the crew’s command must independently remove the ammunition from the ammunition and send it to the gun chamber. Due to this, the firing rate of the gun can be increased and the dimensions of the tower can be reduced due to the absence of a loader.Medium tank CV90105 joint Swedish-Belgian development while being tested. As stated in a CMI Defense press release, the combination of the newest Cockerill XC-9 combat module and the proven CV90 chassis will be a major step in the field of middle-class armored vehicles designed for direct fire. The proposed armored vehicle, thanks to its armament and control systems, will have good combat characteristics, while relatively small combat mass and dimensions will provide high tactical and strategic mobility. In addition, due to the use of developed components it is supposed to ensure high reliability of operation of different systems.Prospects for the new medium tank remain unknown. In recent years, there has been some interest in the world in this class of armored vehicles, to which some manufacturers of combat vehicles have responded with the development of several new projects. It is argued that these machines may be interesting for small countries with limited financial capabilities, in need of modern armored vehicles. What will be the future of the new medium tank CV90105 - it will become clear later. Negotiations on the future supply of such equipment can begin at any time.On the materials of the sites:http://cmigroupe.com/http://army-guide.com/http://vpk.name/

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1. tchoni +5 23 June 2014 10: 04 I liked it: the device can shoot with large elevation angles. This makes this machine very versatile.What are the doubts: there are suspicions that the mass of this device is closely approaching 40 tons. And this means that this is already a normal MBT, and not a medium tank. And further. The appearance of such a tank (if it is adopted for service) will indicate that the concept of a super-protected heavy tank did not fully justify itself.
   1. cosmos111 +12 23 June 2014 12: 48 Quote: tchoni This makes this machine very versatile. makes the platform universal first of all, the multipurpose TRACK CHASSIS CV-90 !!! THIS IS AS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A MODERN TRACKED CRAWLER PLATFORM (with good carrying capacity))) !!! It is possible to install any combat modules and use them as armored personnel carriers, self-propelled mortars, infantry fighting vehicles, evacuation vehicles, command vehicles, air defense vehicles, ambulances, and it is proposed to install many combat modules, both manned and remotely operated, of various calibers!!!
   2. Nova +3 23 June 2014 21: 54 Quote: tchoniAnd further. The appearance of such a tank (if it is adopted for service) will indicate that the concept of a super-protected heavy tank did not fully justify itself.Until the first soldier with an RPG ...
   3. family tree +3 23 June 2014 23: 07 Quote: tchoniWhat are the doubts: there are suspicions that the mass of this device is close approaching 40 tons.It is alleged that the combat mass of the new medium tank CV90105 is in within 25 tons.Like the early thirty fours.No armor. No gunner. The commander plows both on T-34-76, but there was added a gunner, on 85-ke. And why our Octopus-SD tanks will not be called a tank, at least the landing?
2. Magic archer +3 23 June 2014 10: 12 The Belgian-Swedish tank and shoots UKRAINIAN rockets ..... This was most surprising !!! I have not even heard about these Falaric. And they generally are still in service somewhere ?!
   1. GRune +2 23 June 2014 11: 09 They were specially ordered for these guns, so it’s unlikely that they are still standing somewhere ....
   2. cosmos111 +3 23 June 2014 12: 50 Quote: Magic ArcherBelgian-Swedish tank and shoots UKRAINIAN rockets ... this is a pure policy .... the yunkers said that we should be punished by military cooperation with Russia ...
   3. mirag2 +3 23 June 2014 17: 53 This is the EU’s handout for the association. There will be few and inexpensive orders, they will learn how to save money, as in the Baltic states ...
3. Kars +21 23 June 2014 10: 18 They have been fussing with this light tank for twenty years now and they can't calm down. Both 105 and 120 mm, but still end up with a poorly protected tank destroyer.
   1. teron +6 23 June 2014 12: 04 By the way, yes. About armor protection in the article not a word. Case from BMP. What kind of tank is this? It cannot be used as a tank. They will hang additional protection - the mass will crawl sharply. Why is he?
      1. Kars +5 23 June 2014 14: 15 Such news will get into the news, even though the military part of the observation concerns both tanks. The upcoming tank movie with Brad Pitt, Fury (released November 2014), features the most famous surviving Tiger in the world, the 131st Tiger from the museum in Bovington, England.How did you manage to get the Royal Museum workers to give such a rarity to the needs of the Tenth Muse (budget is small -80 million dollars ... :) -only Hollywood producers are aware !! ?? :). Obviously filmed in a neighboring wasteland with a museum. http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/1913745.html
         1. strong man +8 23 June 2014 17: 46 Let's see what the Yankees will film, although it is clear that they will appear as the saviors of Europe from fascism! Well, maybe at least from a technical point of view the film will turn out to be sane, because our white tiger, both from a patriotic, and from a technical, and from the tactics of conducting tank battles, resembles the delirium of a madman! The film "In War as in War" is a million times more beautiful than all modern crafts put together! And Russian craftsmen have already made a replica of a Tiger on the move, all that remains is to make a really sensible film about our Hero Tankers!
      2. Lesorub +2 23 June 2014 17: 36 It is not clear why he was generally called "Tank" - right - I support this PT !!! Purpose: to sit in ambush, flank attacks, work in the rear. Or sell to third countries - if they agree!
   2. cosmos111 +12 23 June 2014 13: 11 Quote: Kars they haven’t been able to calm down with this light tank for twenty years. And 105 and 120 mm, but all the same, an unprotected PT Sau the idea is not new, they always wanted to have a fire support vehicle with a caliber of 90,100,105,120,125 m .... this task has been perfectly solved on the "Sprut-SD" multi-purpose airborne, seaworthy 125 mm armored vehicle... the versatility of the "Sprut-SD" is its advantage over the CV-90,105,120, XNUMX, XNUMX... but in general the most versatile combat module for, BMP, there is and will be at least 20-th module triad !!!
   3. Mista_dj +1 6 July 2014 12: 30 I fully support.Stand in ambush, guard the road. 1-2 shots and run.Me too, tank ...
4. thrush75 +6 23 June 2014 10: 50 Well, if the weight is really 25 tons, then given the spread over the area, we will receive a booking at the level of t44, t55. What is the point? Anyway, it will not hold normal ammunition, and the RPG is guaranteed to pierce. There is no MBT, hyper ACS. In our case, the "Judge" has not been accepted into service, it is easier to put such a weapon system on a lighter chassis.
   1. voyaka uh +7 23 June 2014 11: 33 That's right. To go against the tank -deadly number. Modern OBPS will pierce it throughright through (and will fly further with almost no loss of speed).And to support the infantry, such a gun caliber is excessive. In the normal version, the CV90 BMP is a good thing.
      1. cosmos111 +1 23 June 2014 17: 46 Quote: voyaka uhAnd to support the infantry, such a gun caliber is excessive. In the normal version, the CV90 BMP is a good thing. for an assault gun, as well as for an anti-tank, the stool 90 mm is rather weak, and the L-7 105 mm, the most MOT .. but even here, preferably, the assault 120-mm ACS 2S31 "Vienna" ... here is a turret with a 120 mm gun on a Chinese multi-purpose HEAVY(((tank)))) tracked platform(((clone of the Russian Object 299))))stolen and us-RUSSIA, assault tank and ready VTR-T, BMP-T !!!
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   2. IS-80 +3 23 June 2014 17: 02 They write that they are such tanks with an emphasis on transportability and quick transfer.
5. Alf +5 23 June 2014 11: 21 The experience of WWII showed that only heavily armored and heavily armed tanks can ensure combat stability for infantry. The experience of post-war conflicts also showed that lightly armored AMX-13 tanks do not fulfill their promises and instead of dashing forward, they are more busy looking for cover on the battlefield, while the slow but well-protected Challenger tanks feel great under fire.The Swedes at one time had high hopes for the 103rd, so what? Not a tank, not a self-propelled gun. Only a gun with high ballistics with a caliber of at least 120-125 mm can fight targets on the battlefield, only such a caliber is capable of providing a good high-explosive projectile action. The good armor-piercing action of the projectile is ensured by the high initial velocity of the projectile, which can only be provided by a gun with high ballistics. The use of anti-tank missiles is not profitable primarily on the basis of the cost-effectiveness criterion.
6. Ram chandra +2 23 June 2014 11: 37 What do not say, but beautiful. You won’t fight against the broads, no matter how funny it sounds. And to buy it - only in case of a critical situation for the country (war with a neighbor). So - for the poor countries. When you need a lot and cheap.
   1. Hort +1 23 June 2014 13: 42 duck apparently expect blacks to deliver it
      1. Alf +5 23 June 2014 18: 47 Quote: hort duck apparently expect blacks to deliver itYeah, and this tank will stand like all the blacks in this country combined.Swedish cars Volvo and Saab are very reliable, but also expensive.Besides, why do blacks need all this electronics? Experience of fighting in Africa has shown that the most popular tanks are T-54, 55, 62. That is, something simple and cheap, and also very RELIABLE and REPAIRABLE.Why would such a tank have a super guidance system if a half-grammatical Negro sits in the turret, why would he need a complex and capricious gas turbine if a monkey got down from a baobab yesterday at the levers? What reliability can such a tank have if the tanks are filled with not "what is supposed to", but "what is burning"?
7. teron +1 23 June 2014 12: 09 We made heavy, expensive MBTs, which are essentially anti-tank self-propelled guns, now we need something easier and cheaper. Here it is, with weak armor and a tank caliber - why is it? And then we smoothly come to Russian tanks - they are both easier and cheaper, and more flexible in use.
8. srelock +15 23 June 2014 12: 13 As long as the T-72 and its modifications exist in the world, all attempts to create light and medium tanks are doomed to failure.
   1. Alf +6 23 June 2014 12: 38 Quote: srelockAs long as the T-72 and its modifications exist in the world, all attempts to create light and medium tanks are doomed to failure.Amendment: Not attempts to create, but attempts to use
   2. IS-80 +2 23 June 2014 19: 50 Quote: srelockAs long as the T-72 and its modifications exist in the world, all attempts to create light and medium tanks are doomed to failure.Why? Explain.
      1. srelock 0 23 June 2014 23: 47 Quote: IS-80Why? ExplainAll these light / medium / wheeled tanks are presented by manufacturers as a cheap alternative to MBT and should complement them in the future.The cost of the CV90 BMP is approximately $ 1,5-2 million. A tank at its base will obviously be more expensive (SLA, powerful weapons, necessary for this change in the base machine)The cost of the T-90S is approximately $ 3-4 million, the T-72B, I think, no more than $ 1 million. If in some "banana country" there is not enough money even for elections, you can consider this option:T-72 TankPrice: 1500000 rubles.Owner: Krasimir Arsov, Sofia, BulgariaTelephone: + 359888442288http://autobuy.ru/wpage/32016In general, if this miracle can still be shoved into its own and controlled armies, then for those who have a choice, the answer is clear.If anyone has the exact numbers at prices, please correct.
   3. Mista_dj +1 6 July 2014 12: 44 Does the T-72 interfere with developments in this area?How so?
      1. srelock 0 9 July 2014 02: 33 Quote: Mista_DjDoes the T-72 interfere with developments in this area?How so?1. CV90120 is a tank designed for direct fire. 2. Does not swim. 3. Does not land from the air. 4. No armor. 5. It is worth, at best, like the T-72 with a new SLA and DZ (most likely more expensive).6. Why is it even necessary to develop?
9. max702 +1 23 June 2014 12: 19 The tank has interesting aiming +42, and a diesel engine of 810 hp if the weight is 25 tons, if 40 then it’s nothing, but yes, we have a lightly armored tank destroyer, an analogue of the “Sprut”, although at least it floats, and this is neither this nor that...
   1. Cruorvult +1 23 June 2014 13: 21 Octopus seems to be able to de-air ...
      1. 52 +4 23 June 2014 16: 03 "Octopus seems to be able to airborne ..."This miracle is also possible, but only once.
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10. MolGro +1 23 June 2014 12: 34 Mass, 48 ​​tons, not a bad defense, good speed, enough firepower to support tanks and a more adequate thing)And to make a tank out of a bmp does not make sense if it is not for landing !!
    1. IS-80 +2 23 June 2014 18: 34 Quote: MolGroMass, 48 ​​tons, not a bad defense, good speed, enough firepower to support tanks and a more adequate thing)Two 30 mm guns with a weak high-explosive fragmentation and weak armor-piercing action with respect to new armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles. 3 crew in the new edition is not enough for a car of this type. The protection of guns and missiles looks flimsy. This is offhand. It is unclear what is happening with the LMS and the monitoring devices in general.
11. padonok.71 +1 23 June 2014 12: 56 And anti-aircraft, large-caliber - where? This thing is very useful. It's bad without her.The scope of this machine is not entirely clear (although it’s beautiful - no doubt), this is MBT - poor protection, tank destroyers - weak weapons, infantry support means - perhaps, but again, protection (the weapon is normal, no redundancy). Unclear.
12. Hort +1 23 June 2014 13: 41 and under the mask of a gun specially made a trap for ATGMs and RPGs made?
13. Andrey Ulyanovsky +1 23 June 2014 14: 20 http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product920.html In modifications CV90 *** "***" means the caliber of the gun, about the version of the apparatus with a 120mm gun: http://topwar.ru/10825-shvedskiy-legkiy-tank-nevedimka-cv90120.html.Declination / elevation angle of the gun: [weapon elevation being powered from] -7 to +19.
14. Crang 0 23 June 2014 14: 22 This is not a medium tank. This is something on the border between light and medium tanks. All the more so in the modern era, when tanks have become significantly heavier. Even the basic T-34 with the 76mm L-11 cannon weighed 27,5 tons. The level of protection of the presented "medium" tank is sufficient only against small-caliber small arms fire and that's it.
    1. yehat 0 24 June 2014 13: 29 t34 had a massive engine and because of it a long basewith modern gasoline t34 could weigh about 22-23 t
       1. Hort 0 24 June 2014 14: 35 A crazy thought flashed - is it possible to upgrade the T-34-85 with modern units? :)
          1. family tree +1 24 June 2014 18: 55 So what? But, seriously, the machine is so outdated in the USSR, extreme modernization in 1960 was.
15. 52 +1 23 June 2014 16: 19 No matter how much I look at attempts to create a "medium" tank in the era of "basic" ones, I never cease to be amazed at the persistence of the designers - all the same, at the exit, either the "Hellcat" M.18, or "THERE" ... And the market for this device - only countries like some "tropikobarbudostan" - there are no tugriks for the purchase and maintenance of normal tanks, but I want tanks! And judging by the number of all sorts of "whistles-p. Deals", zapilozhennyh in the CV90105, then both inexpensive and massive this cannot be by definition.
16. shurup +2 23 June 2014 16: 58 If in the aft compartment of this model three full berths for crew rest are placed, then I personally like this tank.
    1. 52 +1 23 June 2014 17: 12 Yeah, with a whore ... and blackjack!
17. gregor6549 +2 23 June 2014 18: 06 The article fails to mention the fact that this tank is supposed to be equipped, among other things, with components of a unified automated battlefield command and control system that allows the tank crew to receive real-time target designations from above, from neighboring tanks and from tank-supporting units (infantry, artillery, engineering troops, etc.), share with them data obtained by its own (tank) surveillance equipment and conduct all the necessary calculations required to prepare and fire at ground and air targets (helicopters, attack aircraft, etc.) in the shortest possible time. Placing the diesel engine in the nose section of the chassis is also not the worst technical solution. This provides additional protection for the crew and the engine is covered more solidly than when placed in the stern section. The lessons learned during the development and combat use of the Israeli Merkavas clearly had an effect here.
    1. Alf +1 23 June 2014 18: 35 That's right, but an automated system will not replace thick armor and powerful guns.
       1. gregor6549 +3 23 June 2014 18: 41 With this, for this class of tank, everything is also at a level, especially since it does not pretend to be a MBT. Again, thick armor has never saved anyone and sometimes even got in the way. And the gun caliber is not always the main thing. With an optimal combination of caliber, gun length and effective ammunition, 105 will do just fine. The main thing here is not to try to solve all the problems, To each his own. MBT has its own tasks, and such a tank has its own, At least as an anti-tank weapon and a means of direct support for tanks, such a mechanism will do just fine. Well, what is important is that it is created on the basis of an existing tracked platform, and this is a big saving in both money and time.
          1. IS-80 +1 23 June 2014 19: 23 As a tank destroyer in the version with a 105 mm gun, it looks doubtful. And as a means of directly supporting tanks, too. This is how a fast tank for some striker brigades seems to me, yes.
          2. Alf 0 23 June 2014 21: 53 Quote: gregor6549At least as an anti-tank weapon and a means of directly supporting tanks, such a mechanism would work.As an anti-tank tool, it is not very suitable because of the low ballistic weapon, and using it as a means of directly supporting tanks is generally suicide.How can he support MBT? The gun is weaker both in caliber and in muzzle energy, but consider armor not.
       2. yehat 0 24 June 2014 13: 34 as I understand it, this tank is needed in order to spin on the front line, to scout and drive away an iron trifle, in fact a reconnaissance-rearguard kind of machine. Let us not criticize her for what she does not know how and will never do.
    2. cosmos111 0 23 June 2014 18: 39 Quote: gregor6549 Here the lessons learned in the development and combat use of the Israeli Merkavas clearly affected. chassis, this is originally an infantry fighting vehicle CV-90, with an inhabited 2-seat turret and a 40 mm cannon, from Bofors ... the Poles, almost simultaneously, created an infantry fighting vehicle and a medium tank with turrets of different companies cal ... 90,105,120 mm ... but like CV90105, nothing went wrong in the series ...while the valid, accepted samples with 105 mm gun are all on a wheeled chassis ... LC-08 "Anders" CT-CV turret with 105mm gun ...
    3. IS-80 +1 23 June 2014 19: 11 Quote: gregor6549The article omits the fact that this tank is supposed to be equipped, among other things, with components of a unified automated control system for battlefield forces, which allows the tank crew to receive real-time targeting from above, from neighboring tanks and from units supporting tanks (infantry, artillery, engineering troops and so on), share with them the data obtained by their own (tank) means of observation and conduct all necessary calculations required for the preparation and conduct of firing at ground and air targets (ver Oleta, storming, etc.) in the shortest possible time. Placing a diesel engine in the bow of the chassis is also not the worst of those. decision. This and add. crew protection and the engine is covered more solidly than when placed in the aft. Here the lessons learned in the development and combat use of the Israeli Merkavas clearly affected.This is a plus as pointed out by the cosmos111 multi-purpose tracked chassis, the relatively light weight and high mobility make this car quite interesting.
    4. cosmos111 0 23 June 2014 20: 32 Quote: gregor6549in the development and combat use of the Israeli Merkav. off topic, but an interesting photo ... "Guest worker from Tajikistan, serving in the IDF"....Mk-3 June 22, 2014 ...Quote: Alfbut an automated system does not replace thick armor and powerful weapons. this is the main line that is puppetted in Israel ... DZ thickness, on M113 ...клик and if even one shell falls on Israeli territory, M.I.D....doesn't say anything... say the tzahal air force strikes at enemy targets!!!
       1. Alf 0 23 June 2014 21: 49 Well, an armored personnel carrier should not be compared with a tank.
18. Kir +2 23 June 2014 20: 16 I wonder if anyone knows what else they are going to hang on the turret of this tank ?, just a closer look creates the feeling that the upper part is removable, and on the front projection of the tower there are two protruding "ribs" with technological holes, like just like that?
    1. Oleg Gor 0 10 July 2014 05: 28 The upper part is removable, I think, for mounting / disassembling the gun. And hang, perhaps, will be the same as on the front of the case.
19. kplayer +4 23 June 2014 20: 30 After all, primarily a reconnaissance tank. For example, it could well have entered service with the Belgian ground forces to replace the Leopard-1 MBT, but they limited themselves to the Pirana (8x8) with a 105-mm cannon, a cheaper wheeled vehicle, with a high silhouette and with less traffic and survivability. There is a continuing trend towards the formation of "heavy" reconnaissance (armored cavalry) units equipped with a lighter and cheaper alternative to MBT (including "wheeled tanks"), operating in conjunction with combat reconnaissance vehicles (BRM, including on a single unified chassis), based on the BMP and armored personnel carriers. Compared to the MBT, the vehicle has a lighter weight and dimensions and is airborne, a more or less widespread C-17 transporter, i.e. may well act to reinforce the same striker brigades in the 18th (airborne) corps of the SBR. The need for such machines is in the United States, given that the program for the creation of the M8 airborne tank (AGS) was stopped, which was positioned to replace the outdated Sheridan tank of a similar purpose. This sample, although not airborne, but landing by landing method is possible. I also admit the purchase of a tank by a number of countries, former allies of the USSR, to replace the obsolete (or inappropriate NATO standards in armament) T-72.Quote: gregor6549Placing a diesel engine in the bow of the chassis is also not the worst of those. decision. This and add. crew protection and the engine is covered more solidly than when placed in the aft. Here the lessons learned in the development and combat use of the Israeli Merkavas clearly affected.In terms of layout, there are no technical solutions and the creators were not at all guided by the experience of using the "Merkava", the car is simply based on the Swedish CV90 BMP, similar vehicles based on serial BMP and armored personnel carriers, precisely as a unified family of armored vehicles from the 80s created from a dozen, starting from Argentine cf. tank TAM (BMP "Marder"), etc., but most of them were created as export vehicles and did not appear anywhere, and the demo models did not go further (versions of the French BMP MARS, Spanish-Austrian BMP ASCOD, British BMP MCV- 80 "Urrior", Swiss armored personnel carriers "Pirana" series, 8x8, 10x10), the CV90 had an earlier version with a different turret.Quote: Kirthere are two protruding "ribs" with technological holes on the front projection of the tower, just like that?Lugs (visible on the roof of the tower, apparently there is also aft in the stern, crew hatches are hidden in the wells) for mounting and removing extra. spaced reservations using the BREM load-lifting boom. Windows smoke grenade launchers (on the sides of the tower).
20. padonok.71 +2 23 June 2014 20: 55 For reconnaissance, this tank is absolutely not suitable. Tall silhouette. Surplus gun for reconnaissance. And the most important thing. Imagine - you are conducting reconnaissance, everything is fine, the dvigol is high-powered, the machine is light - lepota! And suddenly - a river! That’s all, intelligence has ended. And for zetbd, vetbd rivers, streams, lakes, etc. - the norm.So it’s not suitable for reconnaissance.
21. Coltxnumx +4 23 June 2014 21: 18 With great interest I read the comments of specialists of the armored forces. Thank you. But answer the question: what has been done to protect the armored vehicles on the march from sniper ambushes. Mine-explosive threats. air flights. helicopters. tactical missiles, are there any instructions on the location in the convoy of means of protection against all this and electronic warfare? Are there any technical means to lower the tank (other equipment) from the railway platforms in the conditions of an undermined platform. With a high embankment, etc., or is it a target? Often I see equipment from various sources on the march, they go together, like a bull peeing. Neither patrols (and side) nor UAVs, after all, even in peacetime is all training. Is there a damn thing in analytics? why don’t they think over all the threats? Sorry for the simplicity. Does anyone from the Moscow Defense Ministry read our military review, or is it all in the sand?
22. Peacemaker +1 23 June 2014 21: 25 Sorry for being a bit off topic. But I noticed that this tank doesn't have rear view mirrors. I recently argued with former tank crews that some modern tanks do have mirrors. Experienced: the tank doesn't have rear view mirrors because those in the tank in front have a viewing slit and don't need anything else. For example, the most expensive tank is the XK2 Black Panther of the South Korean Armed Forces, Leclerc, etc. So here's the question: Are rear view mirrors needed in a tank and why? Thank you in advance for your answers.
    1. kplayer +1 24 June 2014 17: 25 The ball is visible on the left of the case, but apparently the driver took off for the time being (only after all he needs it), they are usually made folding.
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23. cat hippopotamus 0 23 June 2014 21: 28 Any little trained soldier, this tank will turn into scrap metal from our RPG.
24. Coltxnumx +1 23 June 2014 21: 40 Quote: Colt864downNo. Well, I'm a bore; are there technical devices for removing a tank from a semi-overturned train? platforms? metal-pontoon constructions, rubber-inflatable platforms. The stock of sleepers in the train, hydraulic jacks, etc., if it has failed, is it ALL TARGET?
25. Coltxnumx 0 23 June 2014 21: 42 ALEEE! Respond tankers, or can you scream only URE? SEE ABOVE.
26. Coltxnumx -1 23 June 2014 22: 36 To site managers: I do not pretend to have clever thoughts at my own expense, but !! if you are a MILITARY REVIEW, SHOULD be obtained from the Ministry of Defense !!!! ATTITUDE — WHAT — REACTIONS — Go to them — sit in the waiting room at the 33rd deputy — get it. something would have planted an adequate person. which the minister will transmit sensible proposals of men with experience and without. After all, there really are useful suggestions -! (I do not pretend) FOR THE POWER SHOULDER !!
27. Coltxnumx 0 23 June 2014 22: 40 Quote: Colt864Quote: Colt864downNo. Well, I'm a bore; are there technical devices for removing a tank from a semi-overturned train? platforms? metal-pontoon constructions, rubber-inflatable platforms. The stock of sleepers in the train, hydraulic jacks, etc., if it has failed, is it ALL TARGET?See above.
28. cosmos111 +1 23 June 2014 22: 58 ASCOD II (((in Austria ULAN, in Spain - Pizarro)))) is the only one of today's IFVs that can be compared with the CV90.... in the class of tracked modular armored vehicles (platforms) weighing from 25 to 35 tons... developed by General Dynamics in cooperation between Spain and Austria ... also has options for BTR, BMP, KShM, ambulance missile defense machine, SPG 152 mm, etc ...in Russia so far (((I give it not for long))) of a similar class, multi-purpose GSHS (average) .... although in the USSR, there were excellent GSh, GM-S 123, GM-S, GM-SM, with a front MTO and good carrying capacity .....GM-123, GM-124-B-59, 12-cylinder, turbocharged diesel engine, 520 l / s ... ASCOD-LT105 TANK, with inhabited tower and DBM (M68A1 automatic loader) ...
29. kplayer +3 24 June 2014 00: 18 Quote: voyaka uhAnd to support the infantry, such a gun caliber is excessive.If against enemy infantry in an open area without armored vehicles, then of course! and an assault cannon in urban areas, for example? Then why the airborne Sprut-SD needs a 125-mm cannon? although the protection of the "octopus" is weaker (18t versus 25t).Combat surveillance and combat reconnaissance (power reconnaissance) is far from always carried out by rifle and anti-rifle units when conducting maneuverable databases (I think the reasons are clear).Quote: padonok.71Surplus gun for reconnaissance.Tank in general, what caliber do you think it should have? the best option, apparently protruding from the turret of a 9x39-mm silent VSS Vintorez rifle barrel and SP-6 armor-piercing cartridges in the ammunition rack? Quote: padonok.71And the most important thing. Imagine - you are conducting reconnaissance, everything is fine, the dvigol is high-powered, the machine is light - lepota! And suddenly - a river! That’s all, intelligence has ended. And for zetbd, vetbd rivers, streams, lakes, etc. - the norm.So it’s not suitable for reconnaissance.Are you out for a walk? You apparently do not have a topographic map of the area and, apparently, there is no route and object (task and plan) of reconnaissance. Further, in the spirit of "if only, if only": how about a foot reconnaissance in October-November, or on thin ice "That's it, reconnaissance is over"? Why did the river come as a surprise? - you are not a scout, but rather a discoverer, because special attention is paid to water obstacles as a factor constraining the maneuverability of troops. History knows examples of the failure of military campaigns without appropriate topographic preparation and planning. Vulnerability due to the possible difficulty of (wheeled) vehicles coming out of the water to the shore, low speed of movement, openness on the water surface and near the coastline, not every water barrier is suitable for crossing with floating armored vehicles, without appropriate additional reconnaissance and the order "not knowing the ford, not pop into the water "(crossing into a ford is an exception), and an expensive combat unit is not in personal use. In most cases, in heavy reconnaissance (armored cavalry, non-floating MBT and BRM / BRDM) units, tank bridges are used for operational crossing over small water obstacles (up to 25-26 m).
30. padonok.71 0 24 June 2014 13: 36 Quote: kplayerIn most cases, in heavy reconnaissance (armored cavalry, non-navigating MBT and BRM / BRDM) divisions, tank bridges are used for operational crossing over small water obstacles (up to 25-26 m).Figase reconnaissance with bridges!And another question, but did you yourself go to intelligence? How did you manage to stick to the route? And what route can be in the search? Nachraz cut the search area and terms, and then think for yourself, draw the routes, and the enemy will correct them in the process. You’ll come off and climb into the river, and now you’re ready to poop, but with your head, and you’ll be glad.
31. kplayer +2 24 June 2014 14: 56 Yes, it’s clear that the self-taught scout is not particularly interested in the search area, as well as the route of extension and retreat, how to go for mushrooms. And why did we immediately move on to the gap? It seems to you that everything is literally perceived in a child, bridge pavers go in raids with tanks and BRM (MBT and BRM are mixed groups, not alone) and not only apparently bridge pavers, but also with BREM and IMR, or similar parts do without them? Ever heard of engineering support and second-tier tactical unit building?Quote: kplayerCombat surveillance and combat reconnaissance (power reconnaissance) is far from always carried out by rifle and anti-rifle units when conducting maneuverable databases (I think the reasons are clear).Generally speaking, this is about power reconnaissance, and not about the hidden "Plastun" small reconnaissance groups (armored vehicles tend to emit a characteristic noise).
    1. padonok.71 0 24 June 2014 18: 40 Glad, heartily glad for you. Academic education. Higher Command School. Excellent knowledge of the troops of a potential enemy. I envy white envy.But you did not answer my question about personal experience in events of this kind.Therefore, I will tell you a little. Let's say they are going to lead the column and it is necessary to "run" along the "thread". Nachraz (who does not dry out for two weeks) draws a "wiring" on the tablet. Draws clumsily and confused (which is not surprising given his condition). In this action, there are: the chief of staff, start, zapotech, fogged up, etc. (everything is no better than a cut). After a long debate, you are given: 2-7 reconnaissance soldiers (just healthy, good-natured guys), a signalman (a graduate of a vocational school with p159), an artillery officer of a division (a junior lieutenant who, out of fear, confuses frequencies and forgets callsigns that the signalman does not even know). And now with a strong, well-knit team, you dive into an armored personnel carrier (well, if 80ka). And you are trying, and in 9 cases out of 10 and you are performing the combat mission assigned to you.And you are armored cavalry, BREM, a spreader.It’s easier to be. Aufiderzein.PS no offense.
       1. kplayer +1 24 June 2014 19: 25 Quote: padonok.71But you did not answer my question about personal experience in events of this kind.- There is. But I understand, I am tempted to tell about myself on the net (in my zapadlo), about my combat experiences and the everyday reality of the Russian army, but bad luck - the topic is not the same (I think so, and the tank is "bourgeois"). Maybe VKontakte, or try Odnoklassniki?Yes, and what insults? surround yourself! from the same mud.
          1. padonok.71 0 24 June 2014 23: 59 No, probably not one of them, we didn’t "play" in a zapadlyaka, and even more so now. So my dear, I'm afraid to disappoint you, but with your thieves' moves, it's more likely that you have a problem with the site. Try it, now there are many (with a thug scent).And here people talk on military topics, share their experiences (including personal ones). And about life in our army, too. No romance of course. But all kinds of military affairs (from which, as I understood from my humble understanding, you are far from) they are, you know.Aufiderzein.PS success in learning theory.
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             2. kplayer +1 25 June 2014 01: 30 "Thieves moves","thug"- what is it? what space are you limited to? but it also clarifies something.No, my friend - you are far from military affairs and it does not even reach you, and you are not the only one such gallant yap, knowledge and useful experience - zero, but about the hangover of your command is beautiful and also solid routine. Leave the pitiful trump cards of the "rich" combat experience for the impressionable, they are not consistent in the dispute. I’ll explain it even easier, I don’t need to prove something about myself to someone, I don’t see someone in the eyes, and therefore in a trap."success in learning theory", at least something will be.Three times Adyos!
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32. kplayer +1 24 June 2014 17: 27 To have an idea of ​​what it is about: http://pentagonus.ru/publ/otdelnyj_bronekavalerijskij_polk_sukhoputnykh_vojsk_ssha / 3-1-0-1397 - though this structure is already outdated, but the essence is clear (there are no deep intelligence units).
33. Morglenn 0 25 June 2014 12: 02 But the meaning is in this armored vehicle? It does not reach the MBT and is too powerful for the BMP. We have Sprut-SD, so it floats and you can drop it from the plane. And this is a misfortune to which place?
34. waggish 0 7 July 2014 17: 14 Let's see what happens !!!!!!!!

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