| Mar 22, 2019, 02:46 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | Hundreds would be a fine thing. Try many many thousands over 40 years. I told my wife in the early days spending money on my hobbies is the alternative to spending money on smoking, booze and or women, she chose hobbies. A wise choice in my estimation, at under $20 a week. It would have to of been a cheap women for that sort of money, and not much of the others vices either. I did a rough count several years ago and stopped at 20 grand, it has escalated since then. Now days the spending is slowing as I use up the stockpile of spares around my workshop. I scrapped half a dozen boats last year and yet I still can't see the space it should have left. I think my addiction is building models, thankfully it was only ever models and not the full size thing. That would have been even more costly, and probably divorce material besides. With an Aliexpress sale coming up in 6 days there will be more spent I expect. I always make it a rule to never spend what I don't have, sometimes it meant waiting until I could afford it, this only made it more enjoyable when the goods arrived. I enjoy chancing down the best deal going, I guess I'm just plain cheap, but stretching my buck has been a life long habit that has saved me money, well sort of. I probably spent the same amount of money but did get more bang for my bucks. Strange as it may be I have just seen the track units previously pictured up for sale with some metal parts in them for 1/10 scale trucks. Just another Zero on the price though. After having a closer look I'm sure I can modify these to fit. Must try to add a spring tension component as well. I bought the ones with three rollers on the bottom not the ones that only have two rollers. Happy spending |
| Mar 23, 2019, 05:10 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | Yes the tracks do fit the HG axles. and the Axial scx10 fronts which will be fitted to the HG front metal axle. As previously described here. In the picture (2nd) of the track components you may be able to see that I have machined 2 mm off the center of the track drive wheel and cut the center tube where the drive wheel fits down flush with the outer rim of the center mount. The 2 mm was as I have fitted alternative hex hubs which are thicker and don't drop down over the T bar in the axle the way the HG units do. Then are also thicker so I haven't had to hake clearance on the inside for the track frames. The tube that was cut flush to the outer rim was done so that nut could be fitted. An option to this could be to cut out this hub center and use a set of wheel extenders and the attachment bolt could go through from the out side to the axle. I have yet to make an inner ring that will stop the track unit rotating if it is off the ground. I intend making a pair of pins that will protrude from the inner fame either side of the stub axle housing, allowing around 45 degrees rotation. The rear is a little more involved as a plate will need to be made to fit to the rear axle housing to catch the 2 pins fitted to the inner frame to stop the rotation when in the air. With these tracks being a more suitable scale for the 1/10 scale multiple axles will carry the tracks without interference. Final picture, all ready to go when the new metal front axle arrives. As it is unlikely that I will run these much I decided not to modify them and make metal frames. They will eventually be fitted to the standard HG plastic axles. Images View all Images in thread -
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| Mar 25, 2019, 10:52 AM |
| G.K.T |
| G.K.T Registered User | My HG-P402 Gears & Grease (A look inside) | HG-P402 Gears & Grease (A look inside) (1 min 43 sec) | |
| Apr 02, 2019, 11:04 PM |
| Rjag |
Rjag Registered User  | New here and checking in. GKT, thanks for the pic. Saves pulling mine apart. Been lurking for a while here and learning a few things as I work on my 601. Like most, I've done a few mods so I'll post a pic or two when I can. Regards, Rjag |
| Apr 04, 2019, 12:01 PM |
| ThreeQuarter |
ThreeQuarter Li-Power  | Hey folks, Has anyone tried this awesome body on P402? https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/1-10-RC/32918000840.html Does it fit? P402's wheelbase seems to be 28.5, while body wheelbase is 27 cm thanks in advance, Nick |
| Apr 04, 2019, 04:13 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | Post #783 |
| Apr 05, 2019, 01:58 AM |
| ThreeQuarter |
| ThreeQuarter Li-Power | Quote: | Originally Posted by chopper13 Post #783 | Thanks, seems your chassis is highly modified (rods, servo position, etc). Does it fit on the stock one? |
| Apr 05, 2019, 03:04 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | Running gear is HG P601/401 with a custom cut standard length chassis and original Y links, my chassis is lighter but every bit as strong as the metal replacement. There are alternatives for the servo mount depending on what length shocks you use. The servo position has been changed because of the longer shocks fitted, these cause the steering to self steer when the shocks are compressed, with the servo mounted in the standard position. With longer shocks the side effect is to shorten the wheel base slightly. I will measure the wheel base and let you know what it is for my chassis, shortly. The super swamper tires have gone and been replaced with a lower profile tire at 96 mm, I think the swampers are around 110 mm. The 96 mm tires are slightly wider at 40 mm as opposed to the 36 mm of the swampers. Essentially I want to bring the Jeep back to a more realistic look too match the D90 I have. The 5 door Jeep will be a radical rig with all the mods you might see on a full size truck. I'm waiting for 60 mm shocks to arrive to swap out the 100 mm ones and get the wheels into the wheel arches for a more realistic look. Basically my trucks have to drive like the real thing. |
| Apr 05, 2019, 04:39 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | Ok, here you go. With 100 mm shocks wheel base is 275 mm, this stretches to 280 mm with 60 mm shocks fitted. As you can see the running gear is all HG p601/401 apart from the servo mount and the straight axle links. These links are 103 mm centers while the Y link is pure HG. the chassis is custom cut from 3 mm alloy sheet to the HG spec's and shortened at the front. Standard HG gearbox and gear set which required some of the under body work to be removed. As the Y links are fitted to the HG center plate it has to be HG length wheel base as it is all HG controlling the wheel base. From memory it is about 10 mm cut back at the front of the chassis rails but the HG servo mount cross brace is still fitted. With the very short stroke HG standard shocks fitted I would guess the wheel base will go out to around 285 mm. I don't have standard HG shocks to see what it gives. The Y links can be shortened as I have done this for an even shorter wheel base on another model. the straight links are easy to get to different lengths and not too costly. Cutting the chassis back should be restively easy to do with a small saw. I no longer have the HG plastic chassis rails to check as they have been dispatched to the rubbish bin, long ago. If you were to swap out the Jeep front bumper to an after market bumper you may not have to cut the chassis rails at the front. I have no idea if the P402 is anything like the P401 so can't compare these. I believe there is a Jeep body produced as the P402 anyway. I think it was the first body shell configuration for the P402 to be marketed. I always liked the tires on this P402 but not the model price, so built my own on the P401. If the tires are like the P401 then they are harder with less climbing ability. Images View all Images in thread -
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| Apr 05, 2019, 06:49 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | Got my self confused with all the P's. Just as well I checked, bring back the days of P401 or P601. Essentially They are the same running gear. It is the P405 wheels and body I liked. I'll have to put that down to a senior moment or too much use of the "P"! To set the record straight this is how my Jeep is setup: Forget my chassis as it is a replica of the original HG which I made, the holes and specs are all the same as the plastic rails. Cut the furthermost hole off the center of the Y link of the rear and use the second hole provided in the link then fitted 100 mm straight links. The front Y link is uncut and 103 mm straight links are fitted. the standard HG link I use is 88 mm and will rotate the axle to and odd look. There is no reason why the front links could not be done the same which would get you another 5/6 mm shorter wheel base, you will need to shorten the straight link as well. I have set the straight links front and back into the middle hole of the chassis center brace and with 70 mm shocks I now have a 267 mm wheel base. I could move the straight links to the closest hole and lose another 10 mm off the wheel base. I have custom made shock towers and have had to shorten the rear pair to clear the body underside. I have no idea what the stock shock towers are like! There is a HG cross brace fitted between the rear shock towers. I'm not using the gear change servo only as I did not have the need for this model. However there is room for one to be fitted if required. I have fitted 1.9 beadlock wheel rims with 96 mm tires that make it look more realistic compared to the 106 mm HG tires and they are a better grip than the HG. The answer to your question is that it is possible with some minor chassis changes and cutting some of the under body plastic away. You may be able to still use the standard steering servo setup, I have not tried this but may investigate it with the shorter shocks fitted.It actually fits pretty damn good with the 70 mm shock setup. Can't wait for my new shocks to arrive. |
| Apr 05, 2019, 07:43 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | The straight links for the HG P401 are 115 mm centers, the ones I have used are for the 6x6 extension. It was impossible to get the longer ones when I started to get gripped by the crawler bug. |
| Apr 06, 2019, 10:53 AM |
| ThreeQuarter |
| ThreeQuarter Li-Power | Quote: | Originally Posted by chopper13 Ok, here you go. With 100 mm shocks wheel base is 275 mm, this stretches to 280 mm with 60 mm shocks fitted. As you can see the running gear is all HG p601/401 apart from the servo mount and the straight axle links. These links are 103 mm centers while the Y link is pure HG. the chassis is custom cut from 3 mm alloy sheet to the HG spec's and shortened at the front. Standard HG gearbox and gear set which required some of the under body work to be removed. As the Y links are fitted to the HG center plate it has to be HG length wheel base as it is all HG controlling the wheel base. From memory it is about 10 mm cut back at the front of the chassis rails but the HG servo mount cross brace is still fitted. With the very short stroke HG standard shocks fitted I would guess the wheel base will go out to around 285 mm. I don't have standard HG shocks to see what it gives. The Y links can be shortened as I have done this for an even shorter wheel base on another model. the straight links are easy to get to different lengths and not too costly. Cutting the chassis back should be restively easy to do with a small saw. I no longer have the HG plastic chassis rails to check as they have been dispatched to the rubbish bin, long ago. If you were to swap out the Jeep front bumper to an after market bumper you may not have to cut the chassis rails at the front. I have no idea if the P402 is anything like the P401 so can't compare these. I believe there is a Jeep body produced as the P402 anyway. I think it was the first body shell configuration for the P402 to be marketed. I always liked the tires on this P402 but not the model price, so built my own on the P401. If the tires are like the P401 then they are harder with less climbing ability. | Thanks! Mine P402 was a kit without a body and electronics, so I can't really say if it's expensive compared to P401. BTW Great mods man! I really love it, could you please share the link to 100 mm shocks? |
| Apr 06, 2019, 02:09 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | Do a search on Aliexpress for SCX10 links. There are several sellers with a wide range of prices from cheap to way over the top. Sizes range from 70 mm to 130 mm in usually 3 colours. Typically around US $7.00 a pair is what I have been paying. I usually buy bigger than required as I normally didn't know what size I needed until I get the chassis and Y links together. These days I can buy the size I need as I have a little history with this stuff! I can't buy alloy tube that will take a M3 thread locally so tend to use these for a variety of uses across all manner of rc models. The D90 Landrover body can be made to fit as well. It really comes down to the amount of work you are prepared to undertake and the equipment available to you. I'm using HG metal axles and scx10 chassis parts for my 5 door Jeep. The front axle will have the plastic parts swapped out for scx10 metal parts giving me a complete metal front axle. As yet I haven't designed a chassis as parts are still in transit and I have only a vague idea of the sizes involved. Shame to do the design work and then have to change it. |
| Apr 08, 2019, 04:08 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | Unless you radically cut out the internal cabin parts the shortest shocks would be around 80 mm allowing some suspension. To get the body down over the chassis would require major surgery to the internals of the cabin area. Not something I was prepared to do. To get a realistic look you'd be better to buy the clear body shells with no cabin inside, but then they go for as much as the hard body shell can be had for! |
| Apr 18, 2019, 11:18 PM |
| chopper13 |
| chopper13 Registered User | One metal HG axle modified with Axial stub axles, C brackets and hubs. Also managed to fit the Axial tie rod. A lot of work grinding with the Dremel tool and some lathe work involved. Definitely not as easy as the HG plastic front axle were to convert. I sure these C brackets are different to the original Axial ones I used. Once started there was no turning back, it was going to work. Would I do it again, NO! I just purchased a pair of all metal Axial scx10 axles for about the same price as a pair of HG metal axles and the parts to modify them to full metal axles. As I had the HG metal rear axle there was no choice but a HG metal front to go with it. Next up modify the Y link connections. for more travel. A mock up of where the chassis is likely to sit. Wheel base is 305 mm which should squat to fit the 5 door Jeep body I have ready for it. So building up a truck from the spare parts I had has now gotten me sucked back into building yet another truck! This time It will be all Axial scx10 based. As yet I haven't decided on what body shell she will have, would like another hard plastic body which only leaves the Jeep Cherokee ute /pickup or 3 door wagon. I'm tending towards the ute/pickup, seem to prefer utes/pickups most. Toying with the idea of cutting up a Jeep into a hard body Jeep Brute. Images View all Images in thread -
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