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Canon's newest compact cameras, the G5 X II and G7 X III, have a lot in common, but with some very important differences. This week, Chris and Jordan do a side-by-side comparison to help you choose the one that's right for you.
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- Introduction
- Picture-in-picture commentary
- Design and handling
- ND filter
- Displays
- Lenses
- USB power
- Autofocus
- Sensor
- Video performance
- Live streaming (G7 X III)
- Video autofocus
- Which should you buy?
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All (83)Most popular (15)Editors' picks (0)DPR staff (0)Oldest firstsoginI was going to get the G5x MII - but then last week while cleaning out some old boxes I came across the box and receipt for my last P&S camera, a Canon A720 that costed $200 Canadian back in 2008. It made me question if I really needed to spend $1200 on an occasional use camera when I already have a flagship level phone for a decent enough and always-on-me camera and also an APS-C DSLR to cover my higher end photography needs...
With that realization, I've decided to get the Panasonic ZS100 (one accessory I'll need to get immediately for the ZS100 is a stick-on rubber grip!) - currently selling for $600 CAD. That's half the price of the G5x M2.
The money I save can go towards upgrading my aging 60D - hopefully with a Canon M-series mirrorless... I'm still hoping Canon will come out with an M5 Mark II someday. That would be my ideal upgrade path.
Like0Sep 9, 2019*permalinkCaPiI got to use the z and its a very good camera. Good call, if I may say so.
Like0Sep 10, 2019permalinkscoobysnapstorieswhy is iso 125 so grainy pastel?!
https://1.img-dpreview.com/files/p/sample_galleries/6009098889/2332061484.jpg
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkdanyelsanI think it's because it was underexposed to preserve highlights.
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkCorkMikeI bought the Canon G5x Mark 11 when it came out. I wanted something easy fast & fun which could low light photography & for mountain photography without using Olympus Em1. So far it’s lived up to its used. Especially fast turn on. Not as bulky as the G series cameras I used twenty years but a camera usable on all occasions. I do miss no place for my flashgun & no adaptor for mike which does leave this camera down. But overall a very good purchase
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkMichael - Visual PursuitLeaf shutter, finally fast enough..... and then no hot shoe. Bummer.
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onlyfreeman Good fur tones.
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MrHollywood So...in other words, if you have the money, buy the Sony RX100 VI or VII.
No viewfinder and inferior AF are deal breakers. I have the RX100 VI and it never misses on AF. As they say, it's the king of the 1" cameras. Expensive? You bet. The "best" costs money and I used to slam the RX100 series over being so expensive....until I used one.
Like4Sep 8, 2019permalinkpacnwhobbyistStill prefer the look of the Canon’s photos over the Sony. Also, like the ergo better on the Canons, which means a lot of you are spending a whole day shooting with the camera. But then again, I primarily shoot landscapes during the daylight hours so I’m not necessarily a good use case for the faster AF of the Sony.
Like11Sep 8, 2019permalinkClayton1985No viewfinder??
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinklarkhonSorry, but I don't agree. I've had RX100 VI and still have TZ200. In concerts either AF or IS can't get the shot right on the Sony. So this king of compact camera being worth its price is a sales BS to me. The king has to be better than any other cameras in any aspect possible. It simply isn't.
So yes, if this is going to be your only camera go for the Sony, the IQ is better, AF works probably better than most in 90% of situations.
Like2Sep 9, 2019permalinkJEasleyAre the things you mentioned really deal breakers for this market? I understand that these cameras don’t match up well against Sony’s offerings but they don’t actually need to, do they?
Like1Sep 9, 2019permalinkJust a LearnerComes from a guy who got it as a gift himself! Also, if you have money, may be it is a good idea to fix your eyes, so like younger people you can still see the screen when you pass your 56-57 :) ! BTW, I see you are done with Ricoh forum and now trying to run with your Sony agenda in Canon area. Hopefully, Sony paid you well for their currents ads, because for an older guy with LOTS of money, yachts, Mercedes, private screening and beautiful wife, it is so sad to spend time here to advertise for Sony. Man grow up! Don't do a radio show to tell people how well you achieved your goals in life, be as successful as your relatives!!!
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Congrats to me for my new job...at Sony?
Is this some sort of silly troll attack because I have a preference for gear? You're making personal attacks over a viewfinder and want me to "grow up?"
How many forums will you follow me to? You know I'm a married guy and not gay, right? Find a life partner and be happy. ;-)
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Answering the previous comments (who weren't trolling)...
No, the Sony is not the right tool for a concert. But as you say, it's better in 90% of situations and that's pretty important.
Is it a dealbreaker for this market? That depends on your usage envelope. I'm sure the Canon will be very good for some shooter. Most cameras can do a great job, assuming they can focus. I'm not a brand junkie, but I am interested in how the technology and methodology is applied.
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkJust a LearnerNo new job! It is in your resume that you made advertisements for Sony unless that is a lie too!!! Also me trolling no way, especially doing that to King of trolls dear mr Hollywood. I know u have wife, actually you quoted yourself the hot one 😉 not to guys but if want to try differently not overweight ones 😉 as long as following you or attacking you, I am not doing it at all, I will stop when you stop using word my Sony RX100VI in your comments and creating a paid ad campaign here. BTW I own g7x mark ii rx100vi and GRiii plus lot more! I may not have enough money to sail my boat and drive my third Mercedes but have a little money to buy few camera and then try to compare them or make suggestions. Hopefully you also buy one of your cars’ headlight and buy them before trolling in every forum about your Sony campaign advertisement.
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Sorry about this guy. He follows me from forum to forum. There's such a thing as being a little TOO emotionally invested in your "stuff" and this fellow is a prime example. I currently own just ONE Sony camera in the RX100 VI. Beyond that I prefer my Nikons across the board, so who knows why anyone would think I'm a Sony fan. I prefer the Z6 and D850 to anything from Sony.
Back on topic, I'd bet that the next version from Canon will have a pop-up finder and the separate finder will vanish. It's just a superior system when you can go to a finder in an instant.
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkJust a LearnerEmotionally attached!!! WOW! You noticed that in all your post you refer to your amazing RX100 VI! Everyone here can do a quick forum search, and see you and your posts, same as mine! You first polluted Ricoh forum, until they kick you out and deleted 80% of your posts, and now you are in Canon area to do the same thing. If I attached to anything I did not own three different brands. I actually think Sony RX100 VI is an amazing camera, but even that camera does not have everything - crappy touch interface, no ND filter - your solution was to glue one to it! (such a classy solution versus adding manufacturer branded EVF!)- However, if you let everyone know that you got paid by Sony and you do studio work for them, plus your RX100 VI is actually a gift, it will clarify why you need to mention RX100 VI in all your posts. It is ok, we all get paid for what we do for living, but it is fair if you put a disclaimer on your posts. BTW, may be I am emotionally attached to you :)
Like0Sep 10, 2019permalinkMrHollywood LOL! Yikes! What a rant!Well, let's stick to the facts. You admit that the RX100 is amazing. And no camera has everything. Tell us, is water also wet? Do fish swim?As to the ND filter. Built-in ND is pretty limiting. You get ONE value. I used external filters on the GRII just like the Sony, but the Sony remains small and the filter attachment adds a couple of mm to the size. I'm sorry you've been unable to master the Sony interface. I adapted quickly, but not everyone is tech-oriented like I am.
Like0Sep 10, 2019permalinkJust a LearnerCome on! I am getting you out of your shell again :) glue-on filter attachment is tacky, like it or not! Adding a glue on grip is tacky too, and guess what your employer's camera suffers from both. You call yourself a master! Really, I am sure as an older man, you work with younger crowds and already saw how good they are with electronic devices. Your problem is you never used a newer tech, otherwise, you noticed how technology evolved. Your double standard here is that you see addon EVF as going backward, but do not mention lackluster touch screen on Sony which is even worse than my Palm devices. Try to use a newer tech and you will learn something called user interface or UI, and ask anyone what they think about Sony camera's UI. Again, I totally respect you here if you be honest and let everyone know that you got paid by Sony, and you are running a campaign for them here, which is o.k. We all have a job that pay our lifestyle.
Like1Sep 10, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Meanwhile...in the Nikon lens forum, someone just accused me of "working for Sigma" because I gave away my Zeiss 135 for the Sigma 135 ART.
At other times I've been accused of working for Fuji, Tamron and Nikon. My cousin works at Nikon USA, so that's kinda close.
I sure have a lot of jobs! As for "high tech" you likely don't know anyone who's deeper into it than I am. It takes me a few minutes to learn any camera I've used and my home theater (installed and calibrated by me) is pretty sophisticated. I upgraded my 2018 AMG to the 2019 mainly to get the digital dash and HUD displays. I LOVE technology...though I may have bail on Apple pretty soon. They're slipping.As for the Canon and Ricoh...they blew it. No finder is redonkulous. ;-)
Like0Sep 10, 2019permalinklarkhon"But as you say, it's better in 90% of situations and that's pretty important."
Well, no, I said AF is working better in 90% of situations, not the camera itself. For instance, if you need that f1.8-2.8 aperture range then there are "better" cameras, even from Sony.
I'd say one has to value what they expect from the gear they're using. Do you need that kind of performance if you're taking the camera out for holidays twice a year? If 90% of the time the cheaper camera does the job, how much value do you put in the last 10%?
In the end, it's not about Sony, it's about wanting whatever seems best at the moment, no matter what the cost is. IMO it has also little to do with photography or let's say the pleasure lies less in photography than in playing with a new tech toy.
Like1Sep 10, 2019permalinkMrHollywood The number one thing most shooters value is versatility. It's the reason why zooms are popular. It's also the reason why most pros value ILC over fixed lens for their work.
Most people buying a camera want it to able to handle as many situations as possible and return good results. It doesn't matter how often that is. "Best" is still best. That has value to a majority of shooters. Most of us here shoot more than twice a year and real enjoy photography, so it's more than safe to assume we value things like superior AF or better lenses or faster FPS or built in viewfinders. For the moment, Sony happens to be sitting at the top of the tree in many of those important respects and Canon and Nikon have no good answers to the RX100 series. That said, I'm no "fan" of Sony. Most of my gear is Nikon, which I prefer.
Like0Sep 10, 2019permalinklarkhonI think Sony isn't only targeting DPR readers when they release RX100 cameras. We see those cameras through an educated eye, while Canon have been successful all these years selling us the cameras they wanted to sell, not the ones we want to buy. Now that the market is shrinking they have to start listening to us, but that's another topic.
But price also matter. AF and FPS don't mean the world for the average consumer, if they have to pay nearly twice as much for the camera. And not choosing the 'best' option doesn't mean choosing a bad camera. Depending on what you're shooting you might never 'outgrow' your camera. If I didn't shoot concerts from the crowd, I wouldn't see the limits of RX100 VI and I would think it is the best out there.
Like1Sep 10, 2019permalinkJust a Learner1. Dear Mr. Hollywood , AKA Robert Newman, runs a campaign here to advertise RX100 by Sony. His key word is "Versatility", he calls himself shooter and then make his sentences by "all shooters want" or "all shooters ask" to justify his ad campaign. If you search his posts you can find word "Versatility" more than 182 times linked to RX100. His posts on Sony forum get almost no attention, however, he jumps to different forum as soon as a new camera comes out to degrade it and its users or possible buyer and convince them to buy RX100. He started in Ricoh forum, then once in a while repost one of his threads in Nikon forum, and now he feels threatened by Canon. I definitely do not recommend use of his insights as a valid or reliable facts.
Like1Sep 10, 2019permalinkJust a Learner2. However, if you want to entertain yourself, definitely recommend to get under his skin! If you play it right he may even post a picture of his wife or his home speakers to confirm you he has one - believe me or not I did it before and got all those posts in Ricoh forum. This guy even do not post his EXIF data with his zoomed in photos most of the time, and call himself technical. He compares D850 with RX100, and gives score to RX100 because of "Versatility", and as soon as feel threatened he throw one of his expensive belonging to conversation to feel good. Try to mess up with him and you feel he starts to entrain you - He is Hollywood somehow.
3. Sir, I wish you were as successful as rest of your family, so you could do better stuffs than advertising for Sony in a photography forum, but it is o.k. as long as you let everyone know that you got RX100 as a gift and that you work for Sony.
Like1Sep 10, 2019permalinkMrHollywood Okay....I'm exposed.I not only work for Sony, I also bought 3500 shares of Sony in the 90's. But I also own shares of Canon and worked for them last year while taking off from my job at Nikon to serve as stock supervisor at Disney (where I also own shares). I quit that to approve the Ricoh GRIV which will drop the rear LCD and shutter button so that it can be even smaller. Firing the shutter will require a subtle eye-roll.
Like0Sep 10, 2019permalinkAdrian-VanI would pick the G5Xii due to faster lens over G7X if you are looking for a very compact camera with retractable lens. However, for DPAF in video, stepping up to the Canon M6 or M6ii would give even better features, yet, the lens is now attached not retractable. All in all good cameras. I really love my M6 which I find very lightweight and bigger apsc sensor over 1 inch.But for the much more compact versions of a 1 inch camera (over the bigger M6) the G5Xii seems the better, when you want to keep camera small easy to carry!
Like3Sep 8, 2019*permalinkAdrian-VanSorry my mistake the G5Xii and G7Xiii both have fast F1.8-2.8 lenses. G5Xii have pull out EVF (useful in bright light) which is the main difference.(so many versions of G5X and G7X hard to keep them straight).
Like1Sep 8, 2019*permalinkS YuI like the cover photo :)
Like1Sep 8, 2019permalinkMcArchiveDo either have a phone?
Like6Sep 7, 2019permalinkCombatmedic870It's a dedicated camera.... Why would it? There are phone review sites you could be on.
Like12Sep 8, 2019permalinkMcArchivewhy wouldn't it? plenty of phones get reviewed here and it's an advanced and social camera capable of live streaming... + .
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Sacher Khoudari Oh c'mon guys, that was a sarcastic comment!
Like3Sep 8, 2019permalinkCaPiIts to cheap to be a High end phone.
Like0Sep 10, 2019permalinkUllerellULX100
Like3Sep 7, 2019permalinkJEasleyThat’s where I put my money, and I’m digging it.
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkEric in NHAt this point, I would really like to see a meaningful comparison of the Canon G5x II to the Sony Rx100 VA in terms of IQ, focus performance etc. Both seem to be somewhat older technology, so am I wiser to buy the newer old tech Canon G5 II, or the older older Rx100 VA? I am a Canon SLR user who was pushed to Sony RX100 line many years ago and have patiently (after two RX100, now IV) waited for Canon to WAKE UP! If only the G5x had better focus capabilities or Sony made a Rx100 VB model, bringing their updated tech to a bright lens. Everyone seems to be missing the mark in an attempt to seduce a smartphone audience, which I think largely are people who never carried a camera to start with!
Like5Sep 7, 2019*permalinkAbrasiveReducerIt does make you wonder what Canon could do if they bumped up the price to the Sony level. But as with Chris' discussion about the two lenses, it's not about pessimism or optimism; it's about being better than a phone (including the handling, like having a decent grip) while still hitting a price that can sell at a pretty high volume.
I doubt Canon could beat Sony at the miniaturization game, but I'll bet they could do amazing things if price was no object.
Like3Sep 7, 2019permalinkcameron2Canon is a camera company that is forced to do some tech.
Sony is a tech company that is forced to make some cameras.
They're both pretty amazing ... but you can definitely see the differences in what they each emphasize.
Like10Sep 7, 2019permalinklawny13What are you talking about??
This feels like deja vu... have you made a comment like this before?
BOTH are tech companies. Canon makes lenses, cameras, videocameras, printers, steppers, sensors... etc. All of that IS TECH.
The main difference is that sony is better known as an ELECTRONICS company.
In very simplistic terms canon excels at optical and mechanical design of cameras while sony excels at the electrics (sensors) and software aspect of things.
Considering that canon in fact made the digital camera industry what it is today I think it is pretty presumptuous to imply that they can't compete with sony. The sensor architecture is in fact not that difficult. After all we are down to the 5nm nodes these days which is way way way smaller than sensor tech.
When it comes to software... just a matter of hiring some good software engineers, and paying well for that development.
Optics on the other hand... very heritage depended/based.
Like0Sep 10, 2019permalinklawny13If money was no object... I would bet on canon. But as it is they are going the balancing act they like to do instead, and take the risks of the industry going under into account.
Sony on the other hand is in a win win situation. They don't care if the camera industry goes under... they are the main supplier for what will take over the camera industry in the first place (phones). Their camera division IMHO is actually more of a marketing scheme. It sells sony sensor tech. I believe that is why they didn't exactly care about killing off A-mount. And that is why I don't think in the big picture they fully care about the E/FE mount either (financially speaking at least). Kinda like how ferrari is a loosing money type company, but nice to have in your portfolio (like FIAT) for the prestige, trickle down tech etc.
Canon and nikon missed the boat when it came to sensor tech development for phones.
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Marty4650 I don't think that $749 for a 1" compact that lacks an EVF is cheap by any means. I would spend the extra $150 for the G5X II. Or perhaps even spend more to get a Sony with an even better EVF.
We seem to be paying a lot for small size. After all a Nikon D5600 two lens kit can be had for $50 less than the G7X III. And you can get a Panasonic GX85 two lens kit for $250 less. That means you could add a fast prime to make it a three lens kit and still be under $749.
The only thing these tiny cameras have going for them is small size. If that is your top priority, then you don't have many other options. But it is hard to make a value case based on image quality, ergonomics, or even features.
Like24Sep 7, 2019permalinkAbrasiveReducerYou're paying quite a bit and settling for a smaller sensor in exchange for a pocket camera that almost fits in a pocket. But maybe that isn't such a bad thing. Rumor has it that Apple is considering a pocket-sized phone, so there must be a market for compact stuff.
Like2Sep 7, 2019permalinkMarty4650 It certainly is good to have lots of choices. Someone will want these tiny cameras, and someone else will want a two pound camera with a built in battery grip. And everything in between. I just wonder why Chris spends so much time talking about price, when cost probably doesn't matter to anyone who wants an almost pocketable camera.
Like1Sep 7, 2019permalinkphotomediumThere is nothing good about customers being forced to make stupid choices and give up a set of features for another. Two models separated by 100 bucks with the deleted 24fps video. It's so ffking depressing. How about you make the few still willing to spend money on a compact happy?
Like3Sep 7, 2019permalinkClayton1985I'd feel a little sorry for the person that didn't know size was the #1 reason for these cameras until they read one of the countless comments saying that.. even worse are the countless comments talking about ILC options that completely defeat the purpose of buying a small fixed lens camera like the G5XII. And let's face it, if you think 80%+ of those buying these cameras don't already own ILCs then you don't have nearly the understanding of the market as you think you do.
Like11Sep 8, 2019*permalinkAdrian-VanI agree. Based on the price of these 2 pocket cameras, the market is probably someone who already owns a DSLR but wants a smaller one on occasion that is vastly superior to their phone. I was one of those. I was attracted to the G5X or G7X models but settled with the Canon M6 while it is an ILC, it is light weight, fits in a small bag and has apsc sensor without most of limitations of the G5/7X models. (except not as compact only due to the lens). The body of M6 is about the same size as G5X G7X models though. My choice! Just add the small M kit zoom lens or prime (22mm f2) for a very compact size with stellar performance for M apsc 24mp sensor. 1 inch sensors of G-X series though are far superior to iphones.
Like3Sep 8, 2019*permalinkCaPiThey are very expensive. And btw what size pockets do you guys have?
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Michael Meissner I dunno, the Canon's tick a lot of boxes, but the USB power charging may a deal killer. If they had allowed charging (albeit slowly) with any USB power source that would have been great. I would be able to use any convenient USB jack and charge the camera as needed. I know the world is changing to USB-C, but I find the majority of USB ports that I use are still the older A/B ports. I do have USB A->C cables, but these would not work to charge the Canon.
As a person who has several cameras, I find I tend to take the pocket cameras, when I just want to be able to take better pictures than with a smart phone, but not carry all of the gear. I would prefer not to carry batteries and chargers when am primarily using a pocket camera, and instead charge it via the USB ports in airports, coffee shops, and hotel rooms. Yeah, it a few years, the whole infrastructure will be USB-C, and all of the public chargers will do power distribution, but we aren't there now.
Like2Sep 7, 2019permalinkKarrolyStupid design limitation, apparently. My current smartphone has a typical charging current of 1A when charged with its USB charger but it can recognize a 500mA USB 2 computer port and wisely limit the charging current to this value without any voltage drop. When speed does not matter, I often charge it with a 500mA charger to make battery life longer. But some 500mA chargers do not behave like a 500mA USB computer port. In this case, the smartphone tries to draw the maximum possible current and this is the charger that limits the current, but with a voltage drop. This situation must be avoided as it can damage a cheap and insufficently protected charger.
Like1Sep 7, 2019permalinkcameron2I'm curious if it is just a 3rd party chipset that they are using that requires PD compliant chargers.
Like0Sep 7, 2019permalinkmaflynnNew G5X II owner and I opted for the G5X II over the RX100 VII (and VI) because the price, first and foremost. Secondly I'd prefer a faster lens then the reach that the RX100 VI/VII offer, thirdly, the macro capabilities are better with the G5X. The grip was also a big selling point the camera is just so much nicer in the hand.
No camera is perfect but for me the G5X II is checking off more boxes of my wants and must haves then the RX100
Like40Sep 7, 2019permalinkGreg VdBThe other day I spend a good while holding many of the 1" pocketable camera's in a large store, and as you say, the Canons are much nicer to handle than the RX100's. (Panasonic's ZS/TZ100 and LX10/15 are also poor in this regard, whereas the ZS/TZ200 shows that a small rubber strip makes a lot of difference)
It's a mystery to me why not all of these camera's got a small rubber grip - the lens bump renders any added-size argument moot. Having to stick a grip on yourself to make a camera nice to use is, quite frankly, ridiculous.
Like28Sep 7, 2019permalinkcameron2Some day, Sony will get a grip.
Like6Sep 7, 2019permalinkmaflynnWhy when they can sell you a grip instead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Like1Sep 7, 2019permalinkquatpatThe grip for the RX100 series costs around 15 bucks and really makes a big difference in holding the camera... so I don't get why people are making such a huge issue about something that can be very easily resolved. Try putting a better AF into G5X / G7X though... :-)
Like2Sep 9, 2019permalinkmaflynnIts not the cost of the add on grip, but rather its glued on. Maybe I'm being overly concerned but I'm not sure some self adhesive tape is better then having a camera body with the grip built in. I'm not knocking the add on grip, but I'd be concerned it would fall off at the most inopportune time.
Like0Sep 9, 2019permalinkquatpatI have my Sony grip on the RX100 for years now, and never had the slightest issue. It sticks very firmly to the camera, no moving or coming off whatsoever. Sure, it would be preferable that they put one on the camera in the first place, put it's not like a big issue ore anything... once you have it on, you forget that the camera didn't have one in the beginning.
Like3Sep 9, 2019permalinkDualSystemGuySony has a really nice grip for the RX100 series and it's dirt cheap at only $15 - part number is AG-R2. It does not increase the size at all (doesn't stick out past the collapsed lens) and improves handling exponentially. Between that and a wrist strap, you would have to be grossly negligent to even come close to dropping it.
You can take it off without any permanent damage to the camera as well. The 3M adhesive is very strong and you don't have to worry about it falling off - even if it did (which I have never heard of nor do I see how it could), the wrist strap would prevent it from falling anyway.
The Canon's are cheaper, but the AF is useless for anything that moves and the speed just isn't there for action. If you just want a cheap way into the 1" sensor world though without all the other stuff they are reasonable options. So long as there's no actual competition, Sony can continue charging a hefty premium - I don't like paying it, but nothing else even comes close.
Like2Sep 9, 2019*permalink(unknown member)Long time ago (2010) when a G12 came out , I was having idea to buy it for a pocket use. But it was just so awful too many ways, so next time when G5 X came out (2015) I got the same idea. The body design nice but again problematic many ways. But I was not anymore on the Canon workflow, so totally skipped happily.
Canon made many things great with their G series, but then so so many things BAD. It was so annoying to see them wander from one side to the another and never really get it all together.
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fuego6 G9 still one of the best all around cameras I purchased... great for macro work too! should bust it out from time to time... but with my s9+ always in my pocket - I just don't see the point of these P&S's any longer.
Like8Sep 7, 2019permalink(unknown member)The whole photography market has always been about 1:10 of the camera types.
Like in 1974 the US market was that KODAK sold 84% of the all 135 film cameras, and all were pocket cameras of some kinds. The rest 16% was shared among other manufacturers pocket cameras and the SLR market was very niche market. And we are talking about golden era of SLR cameras like Canon F-1, Nikon F2, Olympus OM-1 etc etc. All as minor in marketplace in overall camera markets.
Since late 19th century the photography was all based to wet plates, it took long time from Eastman to refine photography to be a such that average person could take photographs. The photography industry since then have been triumphing by the pocket cameras, never by the complex technical cameras like SLR or DSLR. Always pocket cameras, and even when digital cameras become affordable, all were pocket cameras.Today DSLR/Mirrorless are nothing compared to smartphones, again pocket cameras. exchangeable lens cameras are niche market.
Like2Sep 7, 2019permalink(unknown member)It is not wonder that smartphones are there to keep the photography up and living, as that has always been the camera market. No one cares about equivalence, no one cares about dynamic range and all that. It is 90% of the people who is the market who are all using some kind pocket cameras. And if phones would never had received a camera, we all would own and carry a pocket cameras, some of us would own and use some kind interchangeable lens camera. Professionals would be using technical cameras etc, but we wouldn't see huge market growth for other cameras than pocket cameras.
Even today funny statics about USA RIAA reported that revenue in music industry is 5.4 billion dollars. And 62% of all that is streaming services. The CD sales made 485 million dollars, and VINYL made 224 million dollars, that is half of the CD sales! A vinyl!
People go to simple and easy to use devices, they don't care about high end quality.
These pocket cameras still has its value, but smartphone it aint.
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chadley_chad TommiK1 :
‘No one cares about equivalence, no one cares about dynamic range’. ‘They don’t care about high end quality’
Probably one of the most stupid and incorrect comments I’ve ever read here ... or any dedicated photography blog!
Like1Sep 8, 2019permalink(unknown member)You are the niche in here at DPR.
Toward everyone here who is arguing about dynamic ranges, equivalence etc, there are million camera users out there who do not even care about those things.
Problem is that you do not think outside of this niche DPR site that has own small group that are exactly arguing for nonsense about those things, a differences that do not matter, and has not mattered for loooong time.
It is a fantasy that those discussions and heated arguments with nitpicking accuracy to details will results a anyway better photography among them. They don't care about those things, they care to show rest that they know the details and they can show how 0.00002% difference makes them to be right, and they enjoy from that hobby far more than taking even photographs. And worst of them has already tens of thousands posts put to DPR and countless more to all other forums and comments, as they spend their time to be a keyboard photographers instead actually doing photography.
Like4Sep 8, 2019permalinkchadley_chad Tommi K1 ; this is a photography site, not a site for mobile phone users, so I’m quite confident the MAJORITY on here, the majority who are photographers of some ilk (pro, semi-pro, hobby etc) DO care about such things; and it’s proved by the availability and sales of cameras/glass reviewed daily on this site. I’m sure there are millions of people who don’t care; in the majority mobile phone users who don’t come to sites like these and don’t buy the types of products talked about here; users who only only take pictures because their phone has a camera. But even here, I’m sure many do care about DR without actually knowing; many who are often frustrated and would love to get better images ... many who might eventually find themselves on this site.
I’ll also add, this site is for ‘the minority’ yes - another stupid comment; it’s for the minority of people, however BIG that minority might be, to come here and engage. Sounds like you need to find another blog that will meet your needs!
Like0Sep 8, 2019permalink(unknown member)This is not photography site, this is CAMERA REVIEW site. And I am not talking about THIS SITE, I am talking the WHOLE WORLD. And even professionals etc do not care about those things. They don't. They are not here nitpicking about is dynamic range 0.15 stops better or is the noise level better at ISO 125 or at ISO 64 or what. They do not do that. They have a live, they have a career, they have other hobbies.
Looks like you need to take your stupidity elsewhere if you can't accept the hard truth that equivalence, dynamic range etc arguments doesn't matter in real world photography!
Like2Sep 8, 2019permalinkchadley_chad Tommi k1 ... I think your last statement will sum it up to all on here. You call me stupid, yet you come out with easily the most utterly ridiculous statement I have EVER read on this site!
Your lack of photographic understanding is mesmerising!
Sighs.
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marc petzold Cameralabs showed the subtle better Lens from the G5X II vs the G7X III, so the better IQ.
But it showed also into 1:1 Comparsion, that even the longer Lens from the RX100 VII (24-200mm vs 24-120mm onto the G5X II) is the better, and sharper one. Color Fidelity, Rendering and Sharpness Points go to the RX100 VII hereby.
https://www.cameralabs.com/canon-powershot-g5x-ii-review/2/The typical Canon Lens Softness vs the Sony is also being here, even this G5X II Lens is subtle being better - than it's predecessor.
A fine Weekend, and good Light!
PS: I'd still prefer the RX100 VA, because of the 24-70/F1.8-2.8 Zoom Range, and albeit sharper one.
[edit] https://youtu.be/AunJ9nhVERs?t=209 "Who are these sick, sick people?" - easy as that Chris, so-called Smartphone Users, these Millions are using a "Touch-Shutter" onto their Smartphones anyway. :D
Like5Sep 7, 2019*permalinkozturertFor 1200 usd, you'll get a better lens from all brands.
Like19Sep 7, 2019permalinkmarc petzold And who said something different?! My mentioned RX100 VA is 670 EUR currently atm into germany. Everybody does know that a 1200 USD Lens is being better - but your comment doesn't make sense after all here.
Further, you've missed the point, than a 1200 USD Lens doesn't include a) the matching system camera body, and b) isn't being pocket-able, as these two small compacts - are! ;)
FYI, this topic hereby is into 1:1 Comparsion between the G5X II vs th G7X III - do you compare usually Apples vs Oranges, or a bus vs a race car?
It's the same like, someone would say: "The sundown is being soon"...and someone would mention: "At night it's colder than outside!" </sarcasm>
Have fun!
Like10Sep 7, 2019*permalinkkobakokhYeah, the lens by RX100m7 is far better then both of this Canons. But maybe for most customers, because of they are not pro, there will be no different in real life. For pros who will want to use such compact cameras as second or third cameras with their pro equipment, RX100m7 will be better choice.
Like2Sep 7, 2019permalinkSacher Khoudari I have the G7X MII since three years and love the barrel distortion at wide angle. For me, the G..X series are rather fun cameras for creative use. The RX100 may have better overall IQ, but it doesn't have the shallow DoF and close focusing distance than the G5XII/G7XIII has. Not to speak of user interface. IQ of Canon is still good enough for A4 or maybe even A3 prints. If I want better IQ, I use my Fuji.
Like11Sep 7, 2019permalinkkeeponkeepingon> Further, you've missed the point, than a 1200 USD Lens doesn't include a) the matching system camera body,
I'm pretty sure the 1200 USD lens he was talking about was the RX100VII which is almost that price with the lens and body. (price is $1199 in the USA). So yeah it's better than a $750 canon, but it sure has heck better be better and wash my dishes for that price.
Like4Sep 7, 2019permalinkkobakokhI think all of that cameras are very very overpriced...
Like2Sep 7, 2019permalinkjim seekersI still think that the Sony RX100mk5A has better image Qaulity and a Sharper Lens to render fine detail than those 2 canon's.
Like5Sep 7, 2019permalinkNextShowForSureThis thread is to compare the G7X III and G5X II. Bringing in the highly complicated, almost specialised process, of which of the 8 RX100 models they compete with which requires going back up to 6 years in to specific elements of the technology is just an entirely different matter.
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Franz Weber Unless you want sharpness at 120mm focal length equivalent.
Like6Sep 7, 2019*permalinkcameron2Can you remind me again which RX100 that was? I have a hard time remembering which one to grab when I go out ...
Like0Sep 7, 2019permalinkNextShowForSure@Franz WeberHow sharp is the sharpness and does is really matter for most of us?Any Sony camera coming out nowadays is premium stuff and lacking in many areas of usability apart from the technology specifications so I am not how much interest there is in the Sony for many Canon users. Yet it is always being hyped as it is here in what is supposed to be a comparison of the 2 Canons.Any discussion of new Panasonic and Canon cameras anywhere always gets bogged down in Sony marketing hype tightly focused on the specific areas of Sony expertise which mainly come pre-packaged from Zeiss or the sensor division.I suppose Sony ownership is based on photography as a competitive sport money no object in ultimate technology specifications and ultra pixel peeking so par for the course and it just needs to be endured for us outside of the Sony camp.
Like1Sep 8, 2019*permalinkFranz Weber NextShowForSure: my comment was meant to be a reply to jim seekers
Like0Sep 8, 2019permalinkNextShowForSure@Franz WeberApologies. I missed the point. My mistake.These Sony cameras do get in the way of discussing any other brand.
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