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Ok if i was to get a semi auto 308 it would be a G3 or a FN/FAL my friend Tater has a G3 and Ben has an FAL. I have shot both and i cant decide which one is better. It feels like the G3 is heavier but that helps on the recoil but than again the 308 dosent have that much kick in the first place. so its more which one is more reliable and accurate issue to me they are so similar its hard to differentiate which one is better. HK G3 Firearm Gun Rifle Trigger Assault rifle

FN/FAL

#1 · May 30, 2009 Ok if i was to get a semi auto 308 it would be a G3 or a FN/FAL my friend Tater has a G3 and Ben has an FAL. I have shot both and i cant decide which one is better. It feels like the G3 is heavier but that helps on the recoil but than again the 308 dosent have that much kick in the first place. so its more which one is more reliable and accurate issue to me they are so similar its hard to differentiate which one is better. HK G3 Firearm Gun Rifle Trigger Assault rifle

FN/FAL

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2 Sort by Oldest first Oldest first Newest first Most reactions #2 · May 30, 2009 http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=61017 #3 · May 31, 2009

TOOHSOTKIL said: http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=61017 Click to expand...

that has nothing to do the G3 vs the FAL i know because i did 60% of the posting!!! i want to know which one is better! #4 · May 31, 2009 This might help http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=55714 #5 · May 31, 2009 Ok problem solved FAL it is!!! #6 · May 31, 2009 I dont know a thing about the fal so i have to ask why? #7 · May 31, 2009

cycloneman said: I dont know a thing about the fal so i have to ask why? Click to expand...

Well it isnt called the right arm of the free world for nothing! sure HK makes a nice rifle but to me the FAL seems like you have more options simply because of its action.

The gas system is fitted with a gas regulator behind the front sight base, allowing adjustment of the gas system in response to environmental conditions, and can be closed completely to allow for the firing of rifle grenades. Click to expand...

Also from what i have read the FAL has better recoil dampening abilities also i like how the FAL comes apart for cleaning. I have shot both rifle but not at the same time to compare. But on the flip side the G3 is used by more countries, and i like its iron sights better! I guess i will remain undecided on which one is better until i can compare them better. Unless some one can sway me in either direction giving a CLEAR reason why one is better than the other. #8 · May 31, 2009

Tony22-250 said: Ok problem solved FAL it is!!! Click to expand...

Is the correct choice! IMMO.

#9 · May 31, 2009 During the salvadorean civil war, back in the 80's I used both, and found the FAL slightly more manageable, and the G3 slightly more reliable, (We're not talking range shooting). Still, I would feel comfortable with any. #10 · Jun 2, 2009 Both are excellent firearms, though, I am a huge HK fan.... I gotta say the G3 - unbeatable reliability, excellent accuracy, just a superb firearm. #11 · Apr 5, 2011 One more here for the G3. I have shot several FALs and they were all garbage. I started to look into why, and found out that the FAL was originally designed as a NATO version of a SKS. The caliber of the rifle was then changed from 7.62 x 39, to 308. (7.62 x 51) without making any of the necessary changes and forced in to service. This is why the gun shoots so badly on full auto. DSA makes a great version, but I still wouldn't pay that much for a gun that has a history of problems. I am also not a fan of gas action for large calibers. It works well for 5.56 and the AK. The G-3 on the other hand was designed by the Spanish, Century Arms International. It was introduced as the CENTME and has a "blow back" action that the bolt rides on super smooth rollers connected to a spring. This rifle was fraught with problems with ammo jams and double feeds. This idea was first introduced in WWII with the German MG 42 belt fed machine gun. H&K later took the design and introduced their own patented version that has "delayed blow back" action. Thus fixing the aforementioned errors. H&K introduced a whole successful line of this. From MP-5 to PSg-1, all work on the same action. The G-3, essentially being a striped down PSg-1 (one of the world's most celebrated sniper rifles) is a well balanced rifle that is second to none. The newer G-3 or H&K model -91 made by PTR is essentially an H&K with a more robust barrel. PTR purchased the fabrication machines from the Belgian govt, (who opted for the G-3 over their own gun) and the Belgians purchased from H&K. #12 · Apr 6, 2011 I have both a PTR-91 (H&K 91 clone) and an Argentinean made FN-FAL (made for Chile). At one point in time the FN-FAL was used by more country's militaries than any other military rifle. There were English, Metric, Indian, Israeli versions and who knows what else. The FAL has a gas adjustment to tailor the gun to the ammo you are using. Get it wrong and you get a shot of gas in the face or the gun fails to fully cycle but the adjustment range for correct operation is pretty broad for any given ammo. The roller lock system of the H&K-91 is not without its problems. While the roller lock has been made to work over the years, my son-in-law who has one too failed to read the instruction sheet packed with the rifle. There are certain surplus ammo's that have a sealant on the bullet to case juncture that plate out on the chamber and cause the gun to jam with every shot. Clean reloads or other surplus ammo's without the sealant work fine. The gun is hard on brass because the design with the roller locking will not extract ammo unless the chamber has longitudinal grooves along the chamber to reduce the hold the chamber has on the case. The gas pressure push the case brass into the grooves causing the cases to be deformed. The grooves in the cases seem to come out with resizing but this probably will reduce the reloading life of the brass (??). I like both guns but the H&K with a scope is one accurate rifle. I just put a scope on the FAL and have not really checked it out for accuracy except to zero it. The first scoped impression is it is not as accurate as the PTR-91 but time will tell for sure. The answer as to which one is best is not answerable. A person needs both and a hand full of other ex-military semi-auto rifles too in calibers close to 308, like Garands or M-14's. Then, you need a few of the 223 semi-auto autos too. You can not have too many semi-auto's in my opinion. LDBennett #13 · Apr 6, 2011 (Edited)

LDBennett said: The answer as to which one is best is not answerable. A person needs both and a hand full of other ex-military semi-auto rifles too in calibers close to 308, like Garands or M-14's. Then, you need a few of the 223 semi-auto autos too. You can not have too many semi-auto's in my opinion. LDBennett Click to expand...

Well said, LD. I have shot both an HK-91 and 93 many times, and an FN/FAL metric only once, but I kind of liked the FAL better. "Blowback" operation on anything more powerful than a 9x23mm PISTOL round, (and even THAT is questionable without that killer Astra coil spring!

) no matter how you dress it up and call it "Delayed" with the rollers, or the comical WWII Beretta self oiling chambers, is still a problem that has never been completely solved. Yeah, the most fool proof system for small PISTOLS, BUT only for pistol rounds less than 9mm, and even at that ONLY in a sub gun with a massive bolt for even the 9mm Parabellum....or else the almost unmanageable Astra method.... But then again I am definitely NOT a believer in "German Superiority" or "German Ingenuity", in fact may be pretty biased AGAINST the whole concept so maybe I am not an objective observer....

I could only IMAGINE what a "mousetrap" designed by Daimler Benz or Mauserwerke would look like!

But while I have not bought one yet of my own, if I NEED a .308 battle rifle it WILL be an M1A.... And the WORST decision I ever made was to sell my DCM Garand...if I still had THAT one, I wouldn't NEED a .308 battle rifle.... :cool:

#14 · Apr 7, 2011 I think the term G3 as it relates to the HK 91 is the semi automatic version of the fully auto G3. Santa Fe arms imported the very first HK's into this country and though they were semi auto only they were marked G3 taking a completely different trigger group than a model HK 91 and no where on the gun does it say HK 91. They also brought in an HK 41 which is also very rare and it came in two configurations, one with a G3 trigger group and the other with the standard HK 91 trigger group. They only brought in about 400 of those guns. I have both and a standard German HK 91. I also have the FNFAL Belgium made in both the match rifle version and the folding stock version. I have shot all of them extensively but never at anything that shoots back so I can't speak of them as battle rifles. I like both, and I think if I were going to go to battle I would probably op for the HK but would not feel stuck if handed either FN. The FN has far less recoil but the HK's seems to take any ammo I have fed them where as with the FN you have to adjust the gas with different ammo. The HK in full auto (my friend has one) is in my opinion worthless because of the recoil. Also Hk makes a clip loader and clip unloader that is really cool and I have never seen anything like them for any gun. HK also makes a 22 caliber conversion kit that functions perfectly making it really cheap to shoot. Ron #15 · Apr 9, 2011 (Edited) You seem to mean a real G-3 or PTR-91, not a CETME assembled by Century Arms? The many dozens of serious problems I quickly found (last spring) about Century CETMEs, convinced me very quickly to instead acquire an M-1 Garand from the CMP

. It's the Best gun decision I ever made. polishshooter: I just saw your comment about the DCM M-1 and was not trying to contradict you. Am just fortunate that I gambled money on a well-built rifle checked really well by the CMP, instead of a rifle assembled by what could be the opposite end of the integrity/quality control spectrum, with the almost unavoidable CAI

name stamped on them. I dread seeing these initials when I look at semi-auto rifles. Very seldom have I seen any CETME which was Not assembled by Century. I'll never consider a Century semi-auto unless the seller is somebody trustworthy and familiar, and try out the rifle with about 200 rds. of Russian-made ammo at the nice club here. Good luck with your decision. #16 · Apr 21, 2011

Laufer said: You seem to mean a real G-3 or PTR-91, not a CETME assembled by Century Arms? The many dozens of serious problems I quickly found (last spring) about Century CETMEs, convinced me very quickly to instead acquire an M-1 Garand from the CMP. It's the Best gun decision I ever made. polishshooter: I just saw your comment about the DCM M-1 and was not trying to contradict you. Am just fortunate that I gambled money on a well-built rifle checked really well by the CMP, instead of a rifle assembled by what could be the opposite end of the integrity/quality control spectrum, with the almost unavoidable CAI name stamped on them. I dread seeing these initials when I look at semi-auto rifles. Very seldom have I seen any CETME which was Not assembled by Century. I'll never consider a Century semi-auto unless the seller is somebody trustworthy and familiar, and try out the rifle with about 200 rds. of Russian-made ammo at the nice club here. Good luck with your decision. Click to expand...

Wow you dug this post up from the grave! Yeah my buddy has or had an actual preban HK G3 he got from his father. Along with 6000 rounds of Colombian surplus! So I suppose I would be getting an HK91 but..... I decided too get one of these instead.

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