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Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members November 2004 in Off-Topic <div class="IPBDescription">Which one is better?</div> I'm a german so I have to compare these two nice weapons =) The H&K G36 (Gewehr 36) is the german standard rifle and the M16 with it's little brother (M4A1) is the american opponent. G36 <img src='http://www.15thmilitia.com/img/armoury/g36.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <img src='http://rk-westhausen.regioforum.de/info/bw-waffen/grafik/g36.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> M16 + M4A1 <img src='http://www.clw.org/pub/clw/cat/m16.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <img src='http://www.scottsdalegunclub.com/mga_machineguns/mgphotos/M16_soldier.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <img src='http://double.uhome.net/gun/gun640/fgun/m4a1_carbine.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <img src='http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/m4/M4A1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> does anyone have technical facts? I know that the G36 has fewer weights than the M16. The G36 also hasn't a strong recoil. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome

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Paranoia2MB Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7832Members November 2004 Well the g36e comes equipped with a built-in scope. Great for getting the <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /> off of the cliffs. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Chrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members November 2004 ovbiously the g36 has a better design (thats why the us army is switching to the xm8 which i believe has the same firing mechanism as the g36) 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
TheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation November 2004 edited November 2004 It's like comparing two cars. You will never have a definitive answer. The best gun? The one that keeps you alive in combat. Really it is hard to comment as very few of us have fired both weapons in conditions necessary to test them. I have only fired the m-16 and its variants and none of the other modern assault rifles. I can comment that I enjoyed firing the m-4 immensly and was really impressed with its utility. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Fog_cartoons Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20658Members November 2004 G36 all the way, Of course this is just my opinion but sin't it more durable? 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Zig ...I am Captain Planet! Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members November 2004 i know one thing.. i'd never trust a G36 or M8 for giving someone's temple a buttstroke. it'd probably snap. the M16 was said to look like a toy when it was first introduced: but it was said to look like a BB gun. the M8 looks like a f*ing super soaker. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Har_Har_the_Pirate Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation November 2004 i liked the g36e in firearms so its obviously better 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
AlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members November 2004 Well I know for a fact that the M-16 was a pile of sh*t when it was first introcued in like the 60's. It was dangerously bad. Obviously its improved since, and the M4 looks cool anyway. M4 = w1nn3r 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Lt.Realness Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members November 2004 optically I do prefer the M4 but for combat I'd choose the G36..but I wouldn't deny using the M4 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /> 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
elitebear Join Date: 2002-05-29 Member: 696Members November 2004 there really isnt anything great about the m4, aside from looks, compared to the m16. the m16 has a longer shaft, so its more accurate. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Narfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elitebear @ Nov 10 2004, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> there really isnt anything great about the m4, aside from looks, compared to the m16. the m16 has a longer shaft, so its more accurate.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  The difference is slight enough to be negligable in an urban situation. The smaller frame and extensive rail system of the M4A1 makes it a much better weapon for what the US is doing these days. Just look at what we've done in Iraq - when's the last time you saw most of the soldiers using M16A2's? To be honest, though, it really just comes down to what you need the weapon to do. If those extra yards the M16 provides are going to save your life in a certain situation, it's a good weapon for the situation. If the extra inches and pounds are going to prevent you from shouldering the weapon in time, it may not be the right tool for the job. As far as the M16 & M4 weapons versus H&K's lineup argument goes, I can't really comment. I do know that the XM8 can load the same magazine as the M16 and M4 (and M249, for that matter), so I wouldn't expect to see the M4 phased out very quickly when the OICW and XM8 are introduced. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Swiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Nov 10 2004, 12:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i know one thing.. i'd never trust a G36 or M8 for giving someone's temple a buttstroke. it'd probably snap. the M16 was said to look like a toy when it was first introduced: but it was said to look like a BB gun. the M8 looks like a f*ing super soaker.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  Why bother? a shot to the knee would be just as effective. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
taboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members November 2004 The G36 is a fantastic weapon. Absolutely wonderful. It's probably the most reliable modern assault weapon available, too. I would only chose the M4 if I expected to engage within a few feet of the enemy (like indoors). Actually, in that case I'd probably choose a gun that isn't one of the choices, but the M4 will get the job done. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Renegade Old school Join Date: 2002-03-29 Member: 361Members November 2004 I'm leaning M4. If only for its user-friendly modability. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
TychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Nov 10 2004, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm leaning M4. If only for its user-friendly modability.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  And here we have just about the only person on this forum who would know. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Burncycle Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9759Members, NS1 Playtester November 2004 It's pretty subjective, each has it's advantages The G-36 is generally considered to be a little more reliable since it uses a piston instead of dumping gas directly into the action. However the M-16 and M4 have (as far as I know) performed well in Iraq. The problems of the past aside, both weapons will take care of you with proper maintinence. I personally perfer the telescoping stocks on the M4 vice the folding stocks on some of the G-36 versions because a telescoping stock is simply more flexible. You can adjust it to get a proper wield on the rifle even if you're wearing bulky body armor. The M-4's advantage is obviously it's superior to the M-16 when it comes to tight spaces. Unfortunately, the shorter barrel means a lower overall muzzle velocity and therefore reduced effectiveness of the 5.56mm round. Since a rifleman might fight in a variety of terrain and conditions, I think a 16" barrel is a nice compromise between length and effectiveness. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Lt.Realness Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members November 2004 edited November 2004 I love the scope on the G36. It's very helpful! When I played firearms the G36 was mostly my primary weapon =) 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
ruffeh Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30766Members November 2004 edited November 2004 Guns?? doesnt take a man to pull the trigger, anyone can do that <img src='http://www.gagedesigns.com/viking-hand-axe.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
BadKarma The Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7 Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8260Members November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Nov 10 2004, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Nov 10 2004, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm leaning M4. If only for its user-friendly modability. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> And here we have just about the only person on this forum who would know.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  Zig's a soldier-boy isn't he? And im from Canada, wouldnt have a clue. Colt must be doin something right though. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Haze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation November 2004 I'd go with the M4, just because its simply smaller, and has the SOPMOD kit. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Sid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation November 2004 AK47. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> It's one of the oldest Assault Rifles still used today. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /> 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Zig ...I am Captain Planet! Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Nov 10 2004, 12:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Nov 10 2004, 12:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i know one thing.. i'd never trust a G36 or M8 for giving someone's temple a buttstroke. it'd probably snap. the M16 was said to look like a toy when it was first introduced: but it was said to look like a BB gun. the M8 looks like a f*ing super soaker. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> Why bother? a shot to the knee would be just as effective.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  tell that to someone who's been in the infantry. you learn close quarters, hand to hand combat for a reason. your service weapon should be durable enough to be a weapon with or without ammunition. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
SkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members November 2004 edited November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Nov 10 2004, 10:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> AK47. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> It's one of the oldest Assault Rifles still used today. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> Thats because you can drag it through the mud, throw it off a cliff, and run it over with a tank and it will still fire on the first try. Ok so disclaimer: I don't really know if thats true, I just hear that its a pretty durable wepon. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Zig ...I am Captain Planet! Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members November 2004 edited November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Nov 10 2004, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elitebear @ Nov 10 2004, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> there really isnt anything great about the m4, aside from looks, compared to the m16. the m16 has a longer shaft, so its more accurate. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> The difference is slight enough to be negligable in an urban situation. The smaller frame and extensive rail system of the M4A1 makes it a much better weapon for what the US is doing these days. Just look at what we've done in Iraq - when's the last time you saw most of the soldiers using M16A2's? To be honest, though, it really just comes down to what you need the weapon to do. If those extra yards the M16 provides are going to save your life in a certain situation, it's a good weapon for the situation. If the extra inches and pounds are going to prevent you from shouldering the weapon in time, it may not be the right tool for the job. As far as the M16 & M4 weapons versus H&K's lineup argument goes, I can't really comment. I do know that the XM8 can load the same magazine as the M16 and M4 (and M249, for that matter), so I wouldn't expect to see the M4 phased out very quickly when the OICW and XM8 are introduced. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> there have been many complaints about the M4A1 and its use in Iraq: a lot of combat takes place at medium-long range and the M4A1 does not provide the necessary accuracy and distance offered by the M16(A2/A4). <b>skulkbait:</b> it's not made of titanium or anything. the action is just structured in a very tough way. it'll shove sand and muck out of the way to fire better than most other weapons do. it doesn't possess any magic durability qualities: in fact, most captured AK's in Iraq have been notoriously deteriorated and in POS condition. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
SkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Nov 11 2004, 12:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <b>skulkbait:</b> it's not made of titanium or anything. the action is just structured in a very tough way. it'll shove sand and muck out of the way to fire better than most other weapons do. it doesn't possess any magic durability qualities: in fact, most captured AK's in Iraq have been notoriously deteriorated and in POS condition.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  Ah well, there you have it. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
DragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Nov 10 2004, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Nov 11 2004, 12:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <b>skulkbait:</b> it's not made of titanium or anything. the action is just structured in a very tough way. it'll shove sand and muck out of the way to fire better than most other weapons do. it doesn't possess any magic durability qualities: in fact, most captured AK's in Iraq have been notoriously deteriorated and in POS condition. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> Ah well, there you have it.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  It's also one of the world's most common (if not the most common) assault rifle - an estimated 100 million are in use in the world today. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Lt.Realness Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haze @ Nov 10 2004, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'd go with the M4, just because its simply smaller, and has the SOPMOD kit. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  *coughs* uhm you can clap over the G36s back look here...it's universal and also good for airborne soldiers. <img src='http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g36/g36kfold.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> yes and you are able to fire with it in that mode.. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
funbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members November 2004 </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt.Realness @ Nov 10 2004, 07:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The G36 also hasn't a strong recoil.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  The M16's recoil spring is so large you can barely feel it. You can hear the recoil spring after every shot. I would say the G36. Its lighter, same caliber, built in scope, 1,2,3 and full auto fire modes, and it has the reliability of HK to boot. I was in Germany recently, and they were cutting military spending and equiping everybody with G3's, or so I thought.. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
Fro5ty Join Date: 2003-09-26 Member: 21238Members, Constellation November 2004 The G11, more ammunition per magazine. Smaller easier to carry magazines, a bit oddly bulkiy but a rather acceptable size, various modes of fire, and on three round burst, the three shots are fired off in around 60ms, before the recoil would have time to cause the rounds to fly off topic. As for the comparision between the three, it's kinda hard to compare three different guns made for entirely different reasons. As said before, the M16 is ideal for long range targets, and the M4 perfect for house to house fighting. The G36 is quite durable from my understanding, and would be more well suited for airborne troops and anyone that spends a lot of time in tight quarters when going to the battlefield, such as in a Bradley APC. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
TheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation November 2004 I wouldn't want to have my head sitting up there long enough to look through a scope. Rarely do I use a scope when firing it requires too exact of an alignment to get a good view and makes you less mobile/agile. In addition that whole time you are exposed to the enemy. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome
taboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members November 2004 You aren't always under fire. Use the scope when the enemy is busy engaging someone else. Or when they're forced to duck. The M4's accuracy makes the scope's added weight a questionable decision. I think it works better in its case to just make up for single-bullet accuracy by making good use of copious ammo reserves. In other words, fire alot. The SOPMOD kit is nice, but not everyone in the fireteam will make use of its abilities. I'd certainly like having M203 rounds available, but not for the whole team. On non-explosive points, I'd say the G36 still wins, even when there's an attachment for that. 1 G36, 1 M4 with M203 launcher, a machine gun, and either a G36 or fairly standard M4 depending on expect distance of engagements would be a good mix. 0 Off Topic Disagree Agree Awesome