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German Bundeswehr buys Heckler & Koch G38 assault rifles October 29 2014 106 Recently, the Army of the Federal Republic of Germany (Bundeswehr) adopted the Heckler & Koch HK416-A5 assault rifle, which received the official German designation G38. all4shooters.com. A contract has been signed for the supply of G38C rifles with an 11-inch barrel, which require permission from another Federal Agency of Germany to enter into service.German Bundeswehr buys Heckler & Koch G38 assault riflesThe G38 assault rifle was developed and manufactured at the beginning of the 21st century by Heckler & KOCH, using HK416 / 417 automatic rifles as the basis. It combines the acclaimed AR-15 design with the robust venting system of the standard G36 assault rifle. The company also makes the G38K with a 14.5 "barrel and the G38 with a 16.5" barrel.The Heckler & Koch G38 assault rifle can be used by both left-handers and right-handers. It is available in both classic black and desert sandy yellow (RAL8000).Heckler & Koch assault rifles are adopted as a regular rifle weapons in the Norwegian army, as well as infantry battalions of the US Marine Corps. In addition, its various options are used by military organizations, law enforcement agencies and special forces around the world. Our news channels

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  1. aszzz888 aszzz888 +10 29 October 2014 12: 42 They are updating, arming ... And they blow us - we are close to the borders of NATO. Brutalized St. Lots.
    1. Sharky Sharky +2 29 October 2014 13: 09 Such a rifle is already in service with the Dutch special forces marine corp. The Dutch praise it very much. I saw them in action, but they did not let me hold the rifle in my hands. It looks cool, but how it works in operation is unclear.
      1. 290980 290980 +2 29 October 2014 15: 36 Quote: SharkySuch a rifle is already in service with the Dutch special forces marine corp. The Dutch praise it very much. I saw them in action, but they did not let me hold the rifle in my hands. It looks cool, but how it works in operation is unclear.here are factory tests
        1. Bogranz Bogranz +2 29 October 2014 18: 10 These are not factory tests. This is the most primitive advertising in search of a potential buyer. When he is found, then the specific conversation "buy-not buy" will start. Factory tests are carried out before the weapon goes into production. And here are a couple of examples of similar tests. Thinking people will understand what their trick is. But if you believe such ... "tests", it turns out that the M-16 can easily shoot when taken out of the water, and the AK, it turns out, is not as reliable as the Mka when covered with sand. But all the cunning (hint) in the sent in advance cartridge in the chamber, deliberately removed fuse, falling asleep in arrogant rubble in the AK well ... etc. In general, the point is that if your weapon is worse, prove that it is better to hang noodles on the ears of the viewer.
      2. Alex_Popovson Alex_Popovson +1 29 October 2014 16: 28 already in service with the Dutch special forces Duc like all the Germans in Afghanistan and Iraq fought only with her.
      3. Aleksey_K Aleksey_K +3 29 October 2014 16: 36 The more ribbed and perforated elements, the more dirt settles on it, the weight in the battle increases and possibly the reliability decreases. I believe that this is the wrong construct, the weapon should be easy to clean from the outside, without disassembly and special washing.
        1. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 17: 29 Quote: Алексей_КI believe that this is the wrong construct, the weapon should be easy to clean from the outside, without disassembly and special washing.Spear, for example, but can finally crushed brick.
        2. Nayhas Nayhas +5 29 October 2014 19: 19 Quote: Алексей_КThe more ribbed and perforated elements, the more dirt settles on it, the weight in the battle increases and possibly the reliability decreases. Your account has been successfully disabled.A change in the weapon's weight by tens of grams (a handful of dirt does not weigh more) does not affect the centering of the weapon in any way. And the presence of dirt in the fore-end area does not affect "failure-free operation" because there are no moving parts there and cannot be.
          1. Aydar Aydar +2 29 October 2014 19: 28 Quote: NayhasYour account has been successfully disabled.Changing the mass of the weapon by tens of grams (a larger handful of dirt does not weigh) does not in any way affect the centering of the weapon. And the presence of dirt in the forend area does not affect the "reliability" in any way, because there cannot be any moving parts there.They might not have responded in such detail to the "couch weapons expert", as his comments show that the only barrel he held in his hands was a piston gun sold in GUM for 1 ruble 10 kopecks. The "Revolvert" was so nickel-plated, it shot with pistons, as a child I loved them very much, I even slept with them :)
        3. Aleks28 Aleks28 0 29 October 2014 23: 22 Quote: Алексей_КThe more ribbed and perforated elements, the more dirt settles on it, the weight in the battle increases and possibly the reliability decreases. I believe that this is the wrong construct, the weapon should be easy to clean from the outside, without disassembly and special washing.This is one of the main requirements for weapons; it is not created for a shooting gallery.
    2. Giant thought Giant thought +5 29 October 2014 13: 47 The natural process, obsolete weapons are being removed from service, and new ones are being replaced.
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  2. Magic archer Magic archer +5 29 October 2014 12: 42 Strange! But what about the G-36 ?!
    1. Altona Altona +3 29 October 2014 13: 33 Quote: Magic ArcherStrange! But what about the G-36 ?!---------------------Afghan tsaranda and Lithuanian "aitvaras", well, they will throw off timid Georgians ... Bakshish, like ... soldier
  3. il grand casino il grand casino +2 29 October 2014 12: 42 It will be interesting to buy it for certain units, or they want to replace the G36 everywhere.
    1. sgazeev sgazeev +7 29 October 2014 12: 54 Quote: il grand casinoIt will be interesting to buy it for certain units, or they want to replace the G36 everywhere.If you are so interested, ask Pranker Vovan, he will simply contact the German Ministry of Defense and you will know everything. But I think the PCA will be more powerful, Donbass proved it. laughing
  4. Bronik Bronik +2 29 October 2014 12: 42 In G36, the stores were tied with duct tape, as we do, then the clips were made. But the duct tape "in Russian" is still more reliable.
  5. Aydar Aydar +4 29 October 2014 12: 43 cool thing, in a German advertising poster it was positioned as "combines the accuracy of the M16 and the reliability of a Kalashnikov assault rifle."
    1. blind blind +9 29 October 2014 12: 54 and where did you see the advertisement cherishing your product?
    2. Altona Altona +2 29 October 2014 13: 41 Quote: Aydarcool thing, in a German advertising poster it was positioned as "combines the accuracy of the M16 and the reliability of a Kalashnikov assault rifle."------------------------A friend from the Bundik after Afghanistan wrote to me that the HK G36 is nothing special, the tin is ordinary ... Of all the advantages, the main thing is that it’s easier Kalash ...
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      2. Aydar Aydar +1 29 October 2014 13: 46 And here we are not talking about the G36 but about the HC 416, let your acquaintance write off another prince, we’ll make it.
        1. 290980 290980 +1 29 October 2014 15: 40 Quote: AydarAnd here we are not talking about the G36 but about the HC 416, let your acquaintance write off another prince, we’ll make it.Kent (Almaty) in Afghanistan year G36 yuzal, his reviews about it are not very good, accuracy is excellent up to the 3rd horn.
          1. PSih2097 PSih2097 0 29 October 2014 23: 12 Quote: 290980Kent (Almaty) in Afghanistan year G36 yuzal, his reviews about it are not very good, accuracy is excellent up to the 3rd horn.And they don’t need more, if a soldier has opened more than two stores (for NATO), then this is a mistake of the reconnaissance and the headquarters planning the operation ...
      3. Usher Usher 0 16 February 2017 00: 30 Strange, but on TTX it is heavier than AK.
  6. Cherdak Cherdak +5 29 October 2014 12: 45 expensive, beautiful and moody ... cleanliness for urban conditions - see http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/assault-rifles/hk416-a5/hk416-a5-11 / overview.html
    1. Massik Massik +6 29 October 2014 12: 56 Oh oh laughing He won even against our "super-reliable" in firing without shaking off the water, they thought about decompression all the same, but we have greetings with the receiver cover on the forehead.It’s time, the machine is good, even a forend without such a pile of holes where the dirt likes to fill up ...
      1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 29 October 2014 13: 27 To take a word or in addition to your words, are there other, more compelling evidence?
        1. Aydar Aydar +1 29 October 2014 13: 30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMH94PuT_I
          1. Bogranz Bogranz +15 29 October 2014 14: 10 Thanks. I looked. Now let's see together? A) I am extremely distrustful of such video tests, when the weapon is VERY CAREFULLY lowered into the water with the cartridge already driven into the chamber. Very often this is done to avoid water getting into the barrel, after having sealed the muzzle inlet with a thin "bamazka" thread. If there were water in the barrel, the release of water dust would be noticeable, as is clearly seen in the subsequent shot from the M-16.B) Shooting with a rifle located in the water is the same focus: the cartridge is already in the chamber. Do you want to prove the possibility of shooting with a rifle in the water? Yes, for God's sake, but only send a cartridge when it is in the water. And again: what kind of trick is this with reloading after a shot from the water with the store attached? (at 3 minutes). Why was the cartridge case not thrown out after being shot by an automatic rifle?C) And the last thing: water is good. And what about dirt, falling onto a concrete floor, freezing, and being in a chamber with sand, as shown during the Kalashnikov tests? No, well, you need to kill the viewer once dully. Didn't you consider it necessary, or ... wouldn't it be possible to "kill" with super reliability in that case? Do you have other opinions on this?
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            2. Aydar Aydar -5 29 October 2014 14: 15 They wrote to you "In terms of firing without shaking off water, it even beat our "super-reliable" one, they thought about decompression after all, but here we have a hello with the receiver cover on the forehead" and you wanted to see it, writing "Should I take my word for it or do you have other, more compelling evidence besides your own words?" I posted a video in which the Germans test the M4 and the HK416 and the M4's receiver rips off, while the HK416's, now you reproach me for the fact that A) I am extremely distrustful of such test videos, when the weapon is VERY CAREFULLY lowered into water with a cartridge already loaded into the chamber. Very often this is done to avoid water getting into the barrel, after first sealing the muzzle entrance with some thin "paper". If there was water in the barrel, there would be a noticeable spray of water dust, as is clearly visible in the subsequent shot from the M-16.B) Shooting with a rifle located in the water is the same focus: the cartridge is already in the chamber. Do you want to prove the possibility of shooting with a rifle in the water? Yes, for God's sake, but only send a cartridge when it is in the water. And again: what kind of trick is this with reloading after a shot from the water with the store attached? (at 3 minutes). Why was the cartridge case not thrown out after being shot by an automatic rifle?C) And the last thing: water is good. And what about dirt, falling onto a concrete floor, freezing, and being in a chamber with sand, as shown during the Kalashnikov tests? No, well, you need to kill the viewer once dully. Didn't you consider it necessary, or ... wouldn't it be possible to "kill" with super reliability in that case?Do you have other opinions on this?PS are you generally adequate in your requests or not?
              1. Bogranz Bogranz +1 29 October 2014 14: 37 "They wrote to you ..." who wrote? - "cool specialist in small arms"? I am convinced of this more and more and more and more. By the way, on the fence too .... it is written, but as a rule it turns out that there is just an ordinary bitch sticking out.
            3. Massik Massik 0 29 October 2014 14: 23 Have you read the user manual?))) Even in the description, the catchment bolt is mentioned, which, judging by the video, is in the butt, the decompression hole opened by this bolt serves to eject water from the receiver, which prevents it from breaking.
              1. Bogranz Bogranz +4 29 October 2014 14: 35 You see a connoisseur of small arms, if you say that the receiver breaks open the water in it. I must disappoint you: the receiver is kicking the shutter frame due to too much pressure created due to the water in the barrel after passing through a gas outlet hole, which is made in sizes designed to pass a certain amount of gas. This, sorry, is an axiom.
                1. Lopatov Lopatov -3 29 October 2014 14: 51 But does it really matter? Kicks out nehil anyway
                2. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 15: 47 Gas regulator assembly for whom? feel With the situation of increased pollution ??? Read the manual, I see except AK did not hold anything in their hands.
                  1. Bogranz Bogranz +1 29 October 2014 16: 35 Tell us, what did you hold in your hands? :-). Maybe surprise me. And ... what does a gas regulator have to do with water in the barrel or receiver ?????? I quote: "The regulator has two settings, designated by numbers 1 and 2. It is installed at division 1 against the risks on the latch of the gas tube.When shooting for a long time without cleaning and greasing, a delay may appear - incomplete withdrawal of moving parts. In this case, the regulator is transferred to setting 2. For this, it is necessary to insert the rim of the sleeve into the hooks of the regulator .... ". Did you understand the essence of what has been highlighted? And what does the regulator have to do, for example, to the AK-74, which had the receiver cover ripped off, box and turned the frame together with the return mechanism ???? And this ... not a gas regulator assembly, but simply a "gas regulator".)))))
                    1. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 22: 27 Quote from where let me know?)
                      1. Bogranz Bogranz +1 30 October 2014 01: 02 Well ... should you, a specialist, prompt me ??? )))) Look. The already existing clue is enough: "gas pipe latch". And lastly: a new ... uh ... shooter appears and immediately sighs and oohs begin - oh, what a cool thing. And just because there is a lot of plastic ... the shutter stops. And how did this new device show itself? Where did he show himself, how did he prove himself, except in a commercial? Yes, nowhere and in any way. Let him show himself, and then we will gasp. Everything, I'm leaving the topic. Good luck.
                    2. And Us Rat And Us Rat -1 30 October 2014 03: 19 Quote: BograntzTell us, what did you hold in your hands? :-). Maybe surprise me. And ... what does a gas regulator have to do with water in the barrel or receiver ?????? I quote: "The regulator has two settings, designated by numbers 1 and 2. It is installed at division 1 against the risks on the latch of the gas tube.When shooting for a long time without cleaning and greasing, a delay may appear - incomplete withdrawal of moving parts. In this case, the regulator is transferred to setting 2. For this, it is necessary to insert the rim of the sleeve into the hooks of the regulator .... ". Did you understand the essence of what has been highlighted? And what does the regulator have to do, for example, to the AK-74, which had the receiver cover ripped off, box and turned the frame together with the return mechanism ???? And this ... not a gas regulator assembly, but simply a "gas regulator".)))))
                      1. Bogranz Bogranz -1 30 October 2014 11: 34 I don't see a magazine with live ammunition attached to the rifle before shooting. I could just as easily shoot from an AK, loading the magazine with blanks, and hanging a sheet of paper with bullet marks beforehand. By the way, additional confirmation that this is just a trick can be at least the fact that there are no traces of bullet ricochets from a METAL plate in the target area, and they should be there in any case when shooting from such a distance. And I also wonder: how after 4 shots there appeared on the sheet... 6!!! bullet marks???? Actually, for shooting underwater they make things like this - ADS but to hell with the Germans, if they have a universal rifle ????
                      2. And Us Rat And Us Rat 0 31 October 2014 04: 29 Quote: Bograntz In fact, they’re doing such things for shooting under water ... Mea series supercavitating ammunition fellow Py.Sy. - 1. The aluminum plate does not ricochet, it breaks through. (The sound of falling onto the video).2. The last shot was a burst of holes, the right amount.3. Do you still believe in the mantra - "have no analogues"? If something has no analogues, it is only because all the analogies have been scrapped. lol
                      3. Bogranz Bogranz 0 31 October 2014 11: 26 1. I agree.2. I agree.3. To get rid of mantras, I would like to know what "analogs were scrapped"?4. A special cartridge explains, but without specifying its capabilities at various depths, doing the same for the ability to shoot at a depth of 1 m. I think it is not advisable. And so, what are the possibilities at depths of 10, 15, 20 meters?
                      4. And Us Rat And Us Rat 0 31 October 2014 13: 58 To get rid of mantras, it is enough to stop considering everyone as stupid than yourself. Underestimation of a potential adversary is a gross mistake, on the account of which there are many defeats and millions of human lives.Data on "MEA" is available on the manufacturer's website. This ammunition is suitable for any weapon, but requires replacing the gas regulator with a switchable underwater firing mode. (There is no centralized producer in the west, it is a flexible market)
                      5. Bogranz Bogranz +1 31 October 2014 16: 27 For labeling it would be nice to stop considering yourself smarter than everyone. And to give answers in essence, and not to rant about high matters.
            4. 290980 290980 +1 29 October 2014 15: 50 Quote: BograntzI am extremely distrustful of such video tests, when the weapon is VERY CAREFULLY lowered into the water with the cartridge already driven into the chamber. Very often this is done to avoid water getting into the barrel, after having sealed the muzzle entrance with a thin "bamazka" thread.Do not believe in vain, the Germans will not fool themselves, it’s easy to check and then set the bill to the manufacturer, I'm sure for 200 percent that the tests are honest.
              1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 29 October 2014 16: 43 These are not tests. This is an advertisement. Tests are conducted ... in other conditions and not after the weapon is put into production.
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      2. Altona Altona 0 29 October 2014 13: 45 Quote: MarssikHe won even against our "super-reliable" in firing without shaking off the water, they thought about decompression all the same, but we have greetings with the receiver cover on the forehead.-------------------------------For Afghanistan, one figs then Switzerland took SIG-550 instead of HK G36 ... And HC Zh36 was given in a tsarand ...
      3. And Us Rat And Us Rat -1 30 October 2014 03: 12 Quote: Marssik without such a pile of holes where dirt likes to fill up ... Barrel air cooling request The lessons of the past.
    2. Aydar Aydar +6 29 October 2014 13: 05 beautiful yes, dear hardly (since the cost is probably low due to the widespread use of plastics, high-quality steel goes only to the barrel, and the high price in the civilian market is just a tribute to advertising and the brand) and certainly not capricious. In the magazine Soldier of Fortune there was an article where they tested this rifle and Magpool Masada rifle, so HC 416 was declared the most reliable and meets the most stringent requirements - it was tested with frost, water, fire, continuous shooting, dirt, but it wasn’t sent to space and not a single delay.
      1. Bogranz Bogranz +3 29 October 2014 13: 35 Have you tried testing with Ak? Otherwise, Magpul, the standard of reliability, is like a pig in a poke.
        1. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 13: 41 How many I sent you to the same one and the same, I lost my account, look at the change in maroon, or ask around those who handed over, where your favorite "super-reliable" machine goes crazy in spite of all efforts to save it.
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          1. insafufa insafufa +9 29 October 2014 14: 42 The first time I encountered M4 was in Chechnya. I had a brand new AKS-74 from the box and I sighted it in. I ran into an Arab with M4 at a stream at a distance of 400 m. He had a head start and started shooting at me first. As strange as it may sound, I managed to kill him with a second short burst. The consumption was 4 rounds, and my opponent was short of half a magazine. We shot from it heartily in the unit and compared the accuracy. Our AKS 74 was superior at a distance of 400 m. At a greater distance, the results were equal. So it is definitely impossible to shoot from them at more than 500 m. PS No matter how good the gun is in the hands of a monkey, it is no better than a baton I would not trade my AKC 74m for anything
            1. glitchy glitchy +3 29 October 2014 14: 51 definitely plus, even the NATO warriors being in the combat conflict zone prefer the AK instead of their full-time weapons, and that says something.
              1. Lopatov Lopatov 0 29 October 2014 15: 01 These are, I'm sorry, fairy tales. Using "AK instead of your regular", you can run into "friendly fire" with a high degree of probability.Therefore, AK is used instead of the standard one only when it is necessary to deceive the enemy.
                1. Aleksey_K Aleksey_K -1 29 October 2014 16: 45 Quote: SpadeTherefore, AK is used instead of the standard one only when it is necessary to deceive the enemy.And not only in this case. When the ammunition is over, any weapon is suitable to continue the battle.
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            2. Massik Massik 0 29 October 2014 15: 56 Little question, together with the Arab found a box 5,56 to shoot from the heart? I remember all the trophies are immediately confiscated by the FSB comrades, for examination and determination of possible delivery routes, we were lucky at one time, they got to us for an hour and managed to try out the "fashionable machine" at least a little.
              1. Aleksey_K Aleksey_K -2 29 October 2014 16: 48 Until the information reaches the FSB, you can play with the trophy and compare. It is unlikely that FSB officers go to reconnaissance or sit on armor before a battle. These "warriors" only fight the unarmed.
                1. Aydar Aydar +2 29 October 2014 17: 34 Quote: Алексей_КIt is unlikely that FSB officers go to reconnaissance or sit on armor before a battle. These "warriors" only fight the unarmed.Already recognized authority is visible in you, you are a terrible thug to see, in a battle on a horse, in a burka a la Chapaev, so that you can see from afar, here they say the monitor Rimbaud went into a psycho attack.
                2. insafufa insafufa +3 29 October 2014 18: 16 There was no box of cartridges with him; all of his ammunition was 180p. 5,56x45 And then the FSB arrived in 5 days The guys said that he was born in a shirt, and on me the 5k bronik was only terrible with him laughing
                  1. Massik Massik 0 29 October 2014 23: 00 You are lucky to shoot enough with such a thing, 5kl is certainly good, but even a shot knee would cause you problems for life ...
            3. artalex32010 artalex32010 0 29 October 2014 23: 30 I apologize for the question: where did the M4 come from in Chechnya? I have never heard or seen any documentary evidence that the CRI formations had M4, here are foreign versions of the AKM and AK74, yes. Who would have had a problem with ammunition, because 4x5.45 and 39x7.62 were the most widespread in this region. Or is it another bike?
            4. And Us Rat And Us Rat 0 31 October 2014 04: 55 Quote: insafufaFor the first time with M4 I came across in Chechnya; I had a brand new AKS-74 shot from a box. here at the creek I ran into Arab with M4 the 400 distance he had a handicap he was the first to beat on me it would sound strange but I managed to flood him with the second short burst the flow was 4 cartridge, and the opponent didn’t have enough store floor ... Do not be offended, but after such a story - I strongly doubt that your combat experience extends beyond the "counter-strike"1. A hypothetical Arab, from 400 meters, and immediately noticed each other ... did you shoot at the airfield? Where are the rest of the troops? Or did you challenge him to a duel?2. What is the secondary function of the M4 pillar?3. Where is the second serial number on the M4?4. Automatic fire from personal weapons at distances over 200m is suitable only for suppression. Especially on the Kalash, which is greatly led away by the queue.At a distance of 400m - the fly on the AK-74 completely obscures the growth target (as on the M4).
              1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 31 October 2014 11: 35 4. Nevertheless, the first bullet flies to the aiming point. And when shooting at a height figure at 400 m, the aiming point on the target is "planted" on the tip of the front sight, and is not covered by the front sight. And the aiming point itself is certainly not the head, but the middle of the target. And using the artillery term "suppression" is more appropriate for concentrated unit fire than for a single gunner. Personally, without any particular difficulties, I hit growth targets at 450 m from a standing position.
                1. And Us Rat And Us Rat +1 31 October 2014 14: 15 It flies if the weapon is well shot, the shooter promptly switches the rear sight to the correct distance and knows the ballistic table of his weapon. I’ll miss the lateral wind correction.War is not a shooting range with amenities, those who were not cannot be explained.To get into the growth target with 450m (it doesn’t matter - standing or with a foot behind the ear). It is necessary to fulfill several conditions (let's start at least with breath control), which is not always possible in combat conditions. It is also worth considering that an adversary is rarely a nerd walking full-length against a contrasting background. Usually this is a lying target in a shelter, camouflaged under the terrain.And automatically fire in this case is a waste of ammunition. All bullets except the first one are guaranteed to go into milk. Even a "superpuper" recoil compensator will dissipate the queue up to half a meter at such a distance.
                  1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 6 November 2014 19: 42 All my life I dreamed of someone explaining to me the basics of shooting.))))) Firstly, a weapon is not sighted in, but brought to a normal fight. Secondly... the "P" sight on the AK-74 is equal to the "4" sight. And when shooting at 450 meters, the excess will probably be no more than "-50" cm. Thus, at 450 m we aim with the "P" or "4" sight at the chest and hit the stomach area. That's the whole theory. And breathing control applies not only to shooting with an AK, but with all other small arms. And... I did not claim that at a distance of 400 meters or more you need to shoot in bursts. And this applies, again, not only to the AK, but also to the same G-38.
        3. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 13: 45 And what about testing it with AK? These are weapons of different generations, different times and different requirements. Now in fashion in addition to "reliability" accuracy of fire, ergonomics, the ability to instantly open fire and reload (and the AK without a slide stop can hardly be called "fast to reload" - it is not even M16 in which you insert the magazine into the receiver, release the slide stop and shoot, unlike Kalashnikov in which you insert the magazine, pull the slide back). In general, Kalashnikov loses in the main indicators, and now the last trump card of "Kalashnikophiles" who believe that "piercing rails with a single shot" and "falling onto concrete from a height of 10 meters" are the most important characteristics for modern weapons, and it is lost.
          1. Bogranz Bogranz +5 29 October 2014 14: 26 Why not test the "outdated" AK with a more modern rifle? Not really her ... hmm .. image will suffer from this? And ... is it not necessary, if there is a slide lag, to reach out with your hand on the bolt carrier handle and pull it back a little? What is the time difference? 0,0000X seconds? At the expense of the receiver. I read the opinion of one amerovsky sergeant. I don’t remember literally, but rummaging through a hundred bookmarks is simply lazy, but there were approximately the following words: If you only knew how often soldiers have to curse the inventor, trying to shove the store into the deep receiver of the store, clogged with grass, mud or snow. And at the expense of "Kalashnikov loses to love in the main indicators" - I did not see these basic indicators from the side of the tested German rifle. On account of "rails by single shots" - so this is your personal chip, once again confirming that you know the AK only from such Internet tales. And at the expense of "" falling on concrete from a height of 10 meters "for modern weapons are the most important characteristics, and that is lost." - this is, firstly, not a characteristic, but the ability of a weapon to maintain its qualities under extreme operating conditions. And this is really IMPORTANT, and secondly ... something I did not see how the test sample reacts to such loads.
          2. Bogranz Bogranz +2 29 October 2014 15: 23 "And what about the AK to test it?" (C) But ... I found it. For some reason, they did not hesitate to test in comparison with the AK-47. No, well, it is clear that testing with the AK74 is a waste, but compared to the AK of the sample as much as 47 !!! years is normal, it is not humiliating. And the most interesting thing is that even such simple tests have lost. Despite the fact that the opponents of the AK-47 left the cartridge in the chamber so as not to waste time reloading, and at 1.15, the AK did not leave the cartridge and once again had to pull the bolt handle, but the AK was not the worst result.
            1. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 16: 16 Is it okay that the HC has an automatic slide stop designed to eliminate the need for hand movement to cock and load a cartridge into the barrel??? For some reason, did not hesitate to test in comparison with the AK-47. No, well, it’s clear that testing with the AK74 is a mess, but compared to the standard AK, it’s 47 !!! years - this is normal, it is not humiliating. Where is AKM ??? I do not see point blank, I see the Serbian M70, but I can’t see the AKM laughing Well, tell us at least some serious differences between the 74m and the 47m, besides the caliber, muzzle brake and simplified rear sight? Oh, and I forgot the weight, but for the M70 this is no longer correct, 3,7 kg 200 grams difference laughing
              1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 29 October 2014 16: 40 Tell me the serious differences between the Serbian M70 and the Soviet AK-47."It's okay that the HK has an automatic slide delay just intended to eliminate the movement of the hand to cocking and pushing the cartridge into the barrel ???" - Watch the video carefully. You won't understand the first time - look again, then again ...
                1. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 18: 05 Quote: BograntzIs it okay that the HK has an automatic slide delay just intended to abolish the movement of the hand to cocking and sending the cartridge into the barrel ??? "- Watch the video carefully. You won't understand the first time - look again, then again ...And what about the video? A professional shoots and reloads, give the Kalashnikov to the conscript or at least the contractor and expose against him the same conscript or contractor only with weapons equipped with a slide delay, then we’ll see who will hypothetically hit whom and in what terms.
                  1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 29 October 2014 18: 20 I have to disappoint you, paraphrasing Mark Bernes: The main part of a weapon is not the slide catch, but the head of its owner. By the way, I have dealt with the slide catch: during my service - in the SVD, now - in my hunting SKS. And have you dealt with it? And, by the way, when conducting close combat, for example, in urban areas, a Fighter can miss the moment when he runs out of ammo, but the enemy will quickly and easily understand this by the bolt stopping on the delay. So, there is another big question: should the presence of a bolt delay be plused or minus.
                    1. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 18: 27 No, I didn’t, but you seem to have avoided the topic of discussion, let me remind you that it deals with automatic weapons and the advantage of a bolt delay in it. No need to talk about your rich life experience with SCS and SVD, so you can even go down to Manlicher Carcano, which, although there was no delay, but because of the special shutter device, it had such a rate of fire that others would envy.
                      1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 29 October 2014 18: 37 With Mannlicher you also...deviated.))))) And the SVD seems to be an automatic weapon. After all, the very term "automatic" implies automatic reloading, and not the ability to fire in bursts. Or am I wrong? You can google it. Personally, I do not consider the presence of a delay to be an extreme necessity. It practically does not solve anything and is considered as a kind of...let's say "device" that makes it possible to understand that the cartridges have run out. The extra 10 centimeters that you need to move the bolt carrier when loading the weapon do not affect anything.
                      2. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 22: 54 Yes, and the SVD is like how it relates to automatic weapons. After all, the term "automatic" itself provides for automatic reloading, and not the ability to fire in bursts. So semiautomatic weapons do not exist?) Then you fight for the purity of the terms, then you come up with something yourself, you will not be understood ...
                      3. And Us Rat And Us Rat 0 30 October 2014 03: 33 Quote: BograntzWith Mannlicher, you too ... have deviated.))))) Yes, and the SVD seems to be how it relates to automatic weapons. After all, the term "automatic" itself provides for automatic reloading, and not the ability to fire in bursts. Or am I wrong? Wrong."automatic" provides cyclically repeating automatic recharge without manipulation by the weapon operator.Weapons shooting exclusively solitary - is semi-automatic.
                      4. Bogranz Bogranz 0 30 October 2014 17: 10 You have a poor understanding of the difference between "automatic" and "semi-automatic". What category would you consider Makarov's pistol: semi-automatic or automatic? And, for example, the AK-130 ship gun? Are they ... semi-automatic? In what way the system of work of the same SVD contradicts the definition you gave: "" automatic "provides cyclically repeating automatic recharge without manipulation by the weapon operator." what In general, the classification of weapons as automatic and semi-automatic very often depends on the desire of the writers. For some reason, some people think, for example, Saigu-20 is a semi-automatic, while others - an automatic. The border between automatic and semi-automatic is rather illusory. And it can only have a rigid definition in the possibility or lack thereof in firing in bursts. But according to the principle of operation of the automation itself, both SVD and AK can be attributed to automatic weapons. We can also attribute the SVD and AK to self-loading weapons and there will be no big sin here. In the West, for example, the same AK refers to the category of automatic rifles, like the M-16 (4), and what is the difference between them (Ak and M-4)? For example, the 73 mm gun "Thunder" of the BMP-1 can be attributed to the semiautomatic device: the grenade pan is thrown out automatically after the shot, and the next grenade must be loaded either manually or using the AZ. This will be a semiautomatic device in its purest form.
                    2. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 18: 39 Quote: BograntzA fighter may miss the moment when he has run out of ammunition, but the enemy will quickly and easily understand this by a shutter stopping at a delay. So, the big question is whether you need to plus or minus the presence of a shutter lagWell, yes, I just imagined the oil painting, the soldier shot off the magazine, climbs into the pouch for a new one, and the enemy, sticking his head out of the shelter, squints his eyes and tries to see in what position his bolt is. Very funny and most importantly "vital".
                      1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 29 October 2014 19: 05 It is vitally important when you sharply point your machine gun at an enemy standing in a doorway or in a corridor of a building that you are clearing, and he understands that he has time, being second, to point his machine gun at you and fire the first shot, and not raise his hands up or rush to the side, because he sees the bolt of your machine gun stopped in the rear position.
                      2. Aydar Aydar +1 29 October 2014 19: 16 The situation you described above can occur either in a nightmare or in an airsoft player's life. In a real situation, a couple always backs each other up, firstly, no one will "aim" with an empty magazine, it is better to double-check, and here the delay is very functional, as it saves a lot of time - you do not need to send a cartridge into the chamber after the magazine is attached, you just need to press the delay button and everything is done. In addition, even by citing such a fantastic situation, you indirectly confirm the lack of a weapon without a delay, let's say you run out of cartridges, you reach for the magazine with one hand, then with the same hand you pull the bolt handle back and release it, and you do all this under the close gaze of the enemy, and during this time he will kill you ten times.
                      3. Bogranz Bogranz +1 30 October 2014 01: 05 So you talk like a .... player in airsoft.
                2. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 22: 33 For the stupid, I list the image 1.02 -1.07 shown in the video. A shot, the bolt latched on to the bolt delay (as evidenced by the open shutter for ejecting cartridges) replacing the magazine, failure to delay (accordingly the cartridge was sent to the barrel of the weapon cocked) again shot.
                3. artalex32010 artalex32010 0 29 October 2014 23: 37 M70 is a slightly modified version of AK (Yugoslav version of AK M64). But M70AB2 and M70B1 are copies of AKMS and AKM, they differ in that they have a receiver from the RPK, the barrel is not chromed and the forend with three slots.
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  7. Hairy Siberian Hairy Siberian +1 29 October 2014 12: 46 Looks like an American.
  8. voyaka uh voyaka uh +6 29 October 2014 12: 49 Surprisingly ... the AR-15 circuit does not die,like the AK circuit.
  9. Strashila Strashila +4 29 October 2014 12: 51 G36 did not quite meet the expectations of the army in real combat conditions for operation in Afghanistan.Made amendments, took into account the gained combat experience ... at the output received G38.
  10. Same lech Same lech +1 29 October 2014 12: 52 cool stuff, Every sandpiper praises its own swamp.On a German rifle, body kits look cool in real melee or because of the shelters (when the gap is less than the size of a collimator sight) they are a little good.
  11. Abbra Abbra 0 29 October 2014 12: 55 Rifle for glamorous shooting between the genital gaps. She would have the sand of Afghanistan and the dirt of the Russian outback. Plus - sweaty hands of the Mujahideen.
    1. Massik Massik +4 29 October 2014 13: 05 The same arguments, moreover, are very doubtful (have you forgotten how to think?), Is it embarrassing to admit that it is better not to shoot at 300x400x with AK versus 417?
  12. glitchy glitchy +1 29 October 2014 12: 55 Like it or not, but our Kalashnikov is still better and this is a fact.
    1. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 13: 08 It is better only because they can nail and nail on it while overcoming various obstacles, he lost the accuracy of shooting long ago ...
      1. glitchy glitchy +4 29 October 2014 13: 24 that’s exactly what AK do what you want, and he will still shoot, but you are right in terms of accuracy, he didn’t shine, but nevertheless, as practice shows, in extreme conditions he has no equal, and this is important.
        1. Massik Massik +4 29 October 2014 13: 27 The point in shooting with the shattered whole and knocked down fly settings, misses will already climb 100m, who needs it ??? Weapons must be protected, so as not to increase the consumption of ammunition for its sighting.
        2. Abbra Abbra +2 29 October 2014 13: 40 I do not agree. AK in normal hands is that little thing. Two by three, if your hands do not tremble - and USE. The target is destroyed.
          1. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 14: 10 But with the discussed HC one by 2a, even with not too skillful hands, and your two more by 3i, provided that you manage to do at least one turn, nobody needs anyone, and there will be nobody to shoot.
      2. Bogranz Bogranz +5 29 October 2014 13: 40 Shooting accuracy is the quality of the barrel and the trained gunner. What is wrong with AK? Or is it impossible to use all sorts of sights with him?
        1. Abbra Abbra +2 29 October 2014 13: 53 I agree completely! Vague suspicions torment me ... Did any of the commentators shoot from the AK? Well, at least 15 shots fired?
        2. Massik Massik +3 29 October 2014 13: 55 is AK wrong? We asked for it ourselves!) Let's start with the quality of the trunks of 1970 and our time, it is unnecessary to write something when the 68-year-old PC beats more precisely the modern Pecheneg in the same hands. Trained gunner is such an exercise SU SU when it is necessary to hit a terrorist target at 15cm, the gap between it and the hostage target with 50m. For some reason, no one gives up automatic fire, although people shoot at least 90 rounds a month + go on business trips every half a year, with a real chance to get a couple of extra holes in the body, so they do not need to prove the usefulness of training. In 2013, there was a rare chance to try out the captured A3 and so what? The distance between the two hits during automatic fire was only 12cm, per 100m, try to get the same result with AK, while there was no training with A3 ...
          1. Bogranz Bogranz +3 29 October 2014 14: 46 First, explain to me what the difference is for a "terrorist" how many bullets he gets in the stomach - one or two. Only a madman or a layman will shoot at a terrorist holding a hostage ALWAYS with two rounds, even if his weapon will allow him to shoot "bullet to bullet". And do not consider the AK as a weapon designed to kill terrorists hiding behind hostages. AK weapon for combat. For the destruction of terrorists, there is a lot of specially designed and DEVELOPED for these purposes weapons.
            1. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 15: 38 First, explain to me what the difference is for a "terrorist" how many bullets he gets in the stomach - one or two. The big difference is whether he has time to kill the hostage or not, practicing shooting in the head at all, or to the left side of the chest if visible.We translate anywhere, just not to the automatic machine and its shortcomings))) So you repeat the result of 12 cm of spread from AK to 100m, or did you "omit" it as usual, without focusing attention?
              1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 29 October 2014 17: 56 "Shooting is practiced" not in bursts, but with one single accurate shot. This is how well-trained riflemen who serve in the relevant anti-terrorist structures work. And so it should be. Well ... don't deny the obvious. I understand that like ... the principle is more important, but ...))))) No, we do not translate. No one, including myself, will deny that this is not possible with automatic fire for a simple shooter from AK. Well prepared - can be and can. You have heard of such people. With a single fire - I think that this is not particularly difficult for a NORMALLY prepared shooter. My best result on target number 4 with circles is 93 out of 100. But that was in the cadet years. Having got freedom in actions, I shot at targets only from PM. From AK-74 for anything: sleeves from KPVT, bottles, foxes, korashaki, pheasants, wild boars .... but not on targets with circles, except for reduction to normal battle. But ... once from 100 meters I put about 10 bullets very tightly in a column with a diameter of 10 centimeters. I tried to get into a match box, but ... for 100 meters I just did not see it. Therefore, I shot as much as it was in the store, and then I saw that all the bullets were heaped down 5 cm. Below the box in the column on which he stood.
                1. Massik Massik +3 29 October 2014 22: 43 But people didn’t have to, and this is your problem. Knowing that in response, he’ll fly in after the first shot, accuracy starts to play a big role, as well as the opportunity to get a second shot in line ...
                  1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 30 October 2014 17: 23 I didn’t want to answer, but .... there are things that I never talk about, I don’t discuss them and I don’t share them with anyone. It's my personal.
            2. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 18: 08 Quote: BograntzAnd do not consider AK as a weapon designed to destroy hostage-taking terrorists. AK weapons for combat. For the destruction of terrorists, there are a lot of specially designed and developed for these purposes weaponsSo far, almost all anti-terrorist operations employ Kalashnikov, therefore, your opponent’s remark is more vital and professional.
              1. Bogranz Bogranz +1 29 October 2014 18: 39 Give me a link to how a terrorist hiding as a hostage is killed with AK and ... I will forgive you all. )))))))))) Only, for God's sake, do not send me to the frames of the storming of houses in Dagestan.
                1. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 22: 45 Link?) Do you believe the Internet?) I feel sorry for you ..
                  1. Bogranz Bogranz +1 30 October 2014 01: 08 I believe myself, and even then not always. I also believe in AK. And at the expense of "you believe the Internet" - these are your words: "... look at the change in maroon".
                    1. Massik Massik 0 30 October 2014 12: 00 Especially for you added "or ask around those who handed over" smile
                      1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 30 October 2014 21: 41 I'm from another office.)))) But ... let those who will get the G38 into service will try to pass on the "maroon beret". I will frankly be glad of the results.))))
          2. Bogranz Bogranz +2 29 October 2014 14: 48 PS "... They asked for it themselves!) Let's start with the quality of the barrels of 1970 and our time, it is unnecessary to write something when the PC in '68 beats more precisely than a modern Pecheneg ..." The quality of the barrels is not the quality of the weapon, it is the quality of production. Do not confuse the sinner with the righteous.
        3. Aleksey_K Aleksey_K 0 29 October 2014 17: 48 Your words are very correct. While in the exercises, the regiment's officers performed firing from a Makarov pistol (PM). Youth - smears and smears. The regiment commander approaches, takes a pistol from the muff officer and, without zeroing, hits the top ten three times. Bad dancer and ... get in the way "
          1. Aydar Aydar +1 29 October 2014 17: 57 Quote: Алексей_КYour words are very correct. While in the exercises, the regiment's officers performed firing from a Makarov pistol (PM). Youth - smears and smears. The regiment commander approaches, takes a pistol from the muff officer and, without zeroing, hits the top ten three times. Bad dancer and ... get in the way "This "regiment" apparently you were, you are our sofa generalissimo and you have hemorrhoids not from an office chair but from the hard seat of the driver of a heavy intergalactic annihilator.
  13. blind blind +2 29 October 2014 12: 56 It’s difficult to evaluate this weapon. You have to ask professionals.
  14. saruman saruman 0 29 October 2014 12: 58 It's strange, because the Bundos have an excellent rifle G36K - a shortened version of the G36. Why do they need a rifle on the M4 platform (AP15)? Even improved. Unclear.
    1. avt avt 0 29 October 2014 13: 21 Quote: sarumanIt's strange, because the Bundos have an excellent rifle G36K - a shortened version of the G36.Different from what? From brochures? Here we practiced with her in Afghanistan in a real battle, and not at a shooting range and, suddenly "found out that not only by grasping a hot barrel with your hands you can get burned.Quote: AydarWhat is the difference between the "AR-15 scheme and the AK scheme"?And really wassat here, cars also have no difference - everyone has wheels, an engine, a driver's seat .....Quote: Aydar, in a German advertising poster it was positioned as "combines the accuracy of the M16 and the reliability of a Kalashnikov assault rifle."Well then of courseQuote: blindcool stuff,True, I also heard about the G36 about M-16. That's just about Kalash, no more about Quote: Marssik?), I’m ashamed to admit that it’s better not to shoot at 300x400x with AK versus 417th?Although the same American in the adaptive Kalash showed that generally it is necessary to train. Here, for some reason, he does not soar with aimed shooting from the Kalash. Probably also an advertising move?Well, the fact that Grandfather Misha was supposed to suffer from the fact that Schmeiser did it and this is the most common, obsolete and most popular shotgun.
      1. Massik Massik +7 29 October 2014 13: 36 This American only went to shooting galleries, they found whose experience to refer to. Let him fight, see how it is. You give two bursts on the head at 200, you think, yeah, you need to take a little higher and then the earth from the very first aimed shot of the enemy, after two rolls, "Here * uk, how did you manage to shoot so quickly" ...
        1. avt avt 0 29 October 2014 13: 52 Quote: Marssik. Let him fight, see how it is. request I won’t even argue, I’ll just put a plus. smile But somehow I always thought that three cartridges a year are not a personal weapon targeting and real shooting training, and a user who is mass-trained in this way is not the main indicator of the weapon's quality. There is no really high-quality replacement, and even according to the cost - effectiveness criterion Kalash and, oddly enough, the M-16. From that, it all comes down to minor changes and glamorization to the joy of visiting all kinds of exhibitions and readers of advertising brochures, usually without a technical background, hence all the arguments about Kalash as a slammed mechanism by Schmeiser - well, after all, the picture looks like and again gas vent ...., as well as users of computer shooters, which is why they decided that they use real weapons in real conditions.
          1. Massik Massik +1 29 October 2014 14: 31 The AN-94 was already invented 20 years ago, well, let it be necessary to change the cable, let it be complicated and in 6 seconds you won’t throw it into spare parts. But firepower during firing in bursts is comparable to a machine gun, to break a wall into a brick from a store, but there are no problems, the only minus the reliability of the carriage rail is small, after 3000 rounds the accuracy starts to fall.
            1. avt avt 0 29 October 2014 16: 00 Quote: MarssikAn-94 was invented 20 years ago,And AEK in addition.Quote: MarssikWell, let it be necessary to change the cable, let it be complicated and in 6 seconds you won’t throw it into spare parts.Because of these, they’re a little bit complicated and they don’t accept - the sheepskin isn’t worth dressing, because you yourself write about the minuses of the same AN-94, change the main gun, well, they don’t have the advantages that Kalash had over the Patriotic models, but without pants when you switch to a new sample, you can easily stay. These same USs are also slowly modernizing the M-16 exclusively guided by the same cost-effectiveness formula, rather than not spectacularity, which causes wild delight among many, and they equip all kinds of specimens with samples from the article. All the best for children.
            2. Bogranz Bogranz +2 29 October 2014 18: 01 I interrupted the power transmission pole from the store and I from the AK-74. And with the backlash of the gun carriage and the tearing cable ... let them shoot from Abakan in the dash.
              1. Massik Massik 0 29 October 2014 23: 07 You generally transferred cartridges without an account, it seems, to all sorts of stupid things. laughing
                1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 30 October 2014 00: 53 I could afford to take deep pleasure in communicating with AK.
  15. Alexander Alexander +1 29 October 2014 12: 59 Instead of the greenhouse G36 laughing
  16. Aydar Aydar -4 29 October 2014 12: 59 Quote: voyaka uhSurprisingly ... the AR-15 circuit does not die,like the AK circuit.What is the difference between the "AR-15 scheme and the AK scheme"? Both of them are built on the same scheme, a scheme for removing powder gases. The differences are only in the execution of the trigger. But if you compare the first expert version of the AK, you can see that this concept was also tested (just like the STG-44).
    1. HAPPY HAPPY +1 29 October 2014 13: 00 Zaminusuyut you now wink
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  18. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 13: 10 Quote: blindand where did you see the advertisement cherishing your product?Judging by your nickname, it makes no sense to tell you about this.
  19. Aydar Aydar +3 29 October 2014 13: 17 Quote: sarumanIt's strange, because the Bundos have an excellent rifle G36K - a shortened version of the G36. Why do they need a rifle on the M4 platform (AP15)? Even improved. Unclear.The standard Bundesovo G36 does not have a mechanical sight, it has an optical and a collimator sight, so it does not respond to short-range combat, the shortened G36 goes in a limited series to special forces and troops. Therefore, the new rifle is the most optimal choice, especially since the KhK416 seems to be multi-caliber, it can be changed by replacing the barrel and the bolt both for NATO ammunition and for Soviet ones.
    1. Lopatov Lopatov +1 29 October 2014 14: 36 Quote: AydarThe standard Bundesovo G36 does not have a mechanical sight, it has an optical and collimator sight, so it does not respond to short-range combat?Isn't the collimator sight designed just for "short-range combat" (c)
      1. Aydar Aydar -1 29 October 2014 14: 42 Most likely you have myopia, and serious, if you need a 20-70 meter collimator.
        1. Lopatov Lopatov +3 29 October 2014 14: 56 Does the collimator increase something? Original ... Are you sure about this?When shooting from the mechanical one you need to combine three points, from the collimator - two. What do you think will happen faster and how it might affect during the "short-range combat" (s)
          1. Aydar Aydar +1 29 October 2014 15: 02 And who tells you that it should "zoom in"? And I know without your teachings how to correctly combine the "three dots" and keep the front sight level. In a short firefight, while you will be catching the opponent with the red dot and turning off the peripheral vision, you will be very quickly stuffed with the help of a regular sector sight - this is what we are talking about.
            1. Lopatov Lopatov +3 29 October 2014 15: 06 Quote: Aydar In a short shootout, while you are catching a red dot on your opponent and turning off peripheral visionAnd again ... Just the collimator sight provides the best peripheral vision, and the mechanics make it turn off the vision.Quote: AydarAnd who tells you that he should "increase"?You. Why else have you dragged in "myopia"?
            2. And Us Rat And Us Rat +1 30 October 2014 04: 05 Quote: AydarIn a short shootout, while you catch the red dot of your opponent and turn off peripheral vision ... Just don’t say such things in the circle of professional military from combat units - they will laugh. lol Especially about "disabling peripheral vision" laughing The main advantage of the "red dot" is the allowance for displacement of the aiming line from the firing line by a certain number of degrees. Even looking at the collimator a little "from the side", you can accurately and quickly aim without wasting time aligning the weapon at three points - the mark is displaced relative to the angle of view and remains in the place where the bullet will hit, this is impossible on "hardware". Attention to the label!By the way, that is why more and more wide-angle collimators and holographs are being developed now.
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  20. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 13: 19 Quote: sgazeevQuote: il grand casinoIt will be interesting to buy it for certain units, or they want to replace the G36 everywhere.If you are so interested, ask Pranker Vovan, he will simply contact the German Ministry of Defense and you will know everything. But I think the PCA will be more powerful, Donbass proved it. laughingwhy is it so weak, say right away that the berdank is even better, and the wick musket is generally cool, there’s nothing to break there, only the wick can dampen.
  21. activator activator +1 29 October 2014 13: 45 Reliability is good, but accuracy of firing from the first shot without shooting should be present, otherwise you will not need reliability anymore after receiving a bullet from the first shot immediately.
    1. glitchy glitchy +4 29 October 2014 13: 57 it all depends on who has AK in his hands, as they say "in crooked hands and the calculator freezes." all samples have pros and cons, you can argue for a long time, in the end everyone will make their choice.
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      2. Siberia 9444 Siberia 9444 +3 29 October 2014 14: 42 You are right to argue that it is better to use the AEK 971 for accuracy and its reliability is not inferior to the AK
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        2. Siberia 9444 Siberia 9444 0 29 October 2014 14: 45 Here is AEK in tune + grenade launcher
        3. avt avt 0 29 October 2014 16: 30 Quote: Siberia 9444 he is better in accuracy I believe.Quote: Siberia 9444 and reliability is not inferior to AKLet's just say it - I doubt it laughing and not because I am an ardent supporter of Kalashnikov, personally I like ADS. But for a mechanism to which a certain number of parts were added that also move to be more reliable than a similar mechanism without such additional parts... it's up to you - at a minimum, the costs of its manufacture should be higher, hence the price, and more time to train the user. Otherwise, we will get a result similar to SVT - wits will call it SVETKu - Sam Voyuy Comrade and they will chase the old Kalashnikov in the field as if it were a high-quality Soviet one.
    2. avt avt +1 29 October 2014 16: 24 Quote: activatorReliability is good, but accuracy of firing from the first shot without shooting should be present, otherwise you will not need reliability anymore after receiving a bullet from the first shot immediately.Actually, one doesn’t interfere with the other, and without the reliability of the weapon in various extreme conditions, I doubt very much that you will get the first accurate shot without an aim.
      1. activator activator 0 29 October 2014 19: 54 Quote: avtQuote: activatorReliability is good, but accuracy of firing from the first shot without shooting should be present, otherwise you will not need reliability anymore after receiving a bullet from the first shot immediately.Actually, one doesn’t interfere with the other, and without the reliability of the weapon in various extreme conditions, I doubt very much that you will get the first accurate shot without an aim.I agree, but it turns out that all the electronic bells and whistles of the equipment of the warrior are created in order to better see the fountains of dust from bullets. The point is then, with the warrior, the garden should be fenced in accuracy and accuracy.
  22. Lopatov Lopatov +1 29 October 2014 14: 30 Here is what I think about this ...In commodity quantities, they will not go to the troops. This step, adoption, is exclusively related to the HK marketing strategy. It is difficult to sell what is not accepted into the arsenal of your own army.And to fight for contracts to replace the M-16, which is quite common in the world, it makes sense.
    1. Massik Massik +3 29 October 2014 16: 23 As with us, we’ll accept it, but no one has ever seen anyone in the army)
  23. Prager Prager +2 29 October 2014 14: 30 apparently a good rifle. Germans are recognized master gunsmiths.
  24. Aydar Aydar +1 29 October 2014 14: 50 Quote: BograntzWould you know how often soldiers have to swear by the inventor, trying to shove the store into the store’s deep receiver, clogged with grass, mud or snow. This gentleman wrote about the first versions of the M-16 and their aluminum stores subject to deformation, which were fought in Vietnam. In any case, inserting a store in the M4 is more convenient and faster than in the Kalashnikov.Will On account of "rails by single shots" - so this is your personal chip, once again confirming that you know the AK only from such Internet tales. this is not my trick, but the trick of the "Kalashnikophiles" who in all seriousness say this, however there are other variations of the "Kalashnikophiles" - they say the water pipe breaks through. I do not believe in these tales, therefore I am citing them from the point of view of irony (although I doubt that the word irony is familiar to you and is applied in your vocabulary).
  25. Prikaz4ikov1992 Prikaz4ikov1992 0 29 October 2014 15: 11 Oh, we would like that instead of ak. At most there is a civilian option. With a weighted barrel for Marxman.
  26. Reinhard Reinhard 0 29 October 2014 15: 20 Whatever. This "toy" is very good for certain conditions!
  27. dguzepe dguzepe -1 29 October 2014 16: 08 Kalash is still cooler than this sleeper
  28. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 17: 54 Quote: BograntzYou see a connoisseur of small arms, if you say that the receiver breaks open the water in it. I must disappoint you: the receiver is kicking the shutter frame due to too much pressure created due to the water in the barrel after passing through a gas outlet hole, which is made in sizes designed to pass a certain amount of gas. This, sorry, is an axiom.The M16 and similar weapons do not have a bolt carrier, do not write nonsense, the Kalash may have a bolt carrier, and the M4 is likely to tear the box.
    1. Bogranz Bogranz +2 29 October 2014 18: 55 The main parts of the M-16The main parts of the M-16What is it that tears this box? Water? Well, if the box is so hermetically sealed that water is held in it like in a saucepan. ))))) In the M-16, I assume, the receiver is torn by the bolt group (the bolt carrier is still there: it is in the foreground), which receives a more intense impact from the powder gases due to the barrel being "closed" by water.
      1. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 19: 21 Or maybe because the small diameter gas outlet tube creates "reactive" pressure? At the same time, the bolt group naturally receives an increased load and is sharply squeezed up and back?
      2. Aydar Aydar 0 29 October 2014 19: 38 maybe due to the fact that the gas outlet tube of small diameter creates "reactive" pressure? At the same time, naturally, the bolt group receives an increased load and is sharply squeezed up and back?This is because the XK416 has a different gas outlet scheme, it seems there is no such narrow tube, so it does not react so "nervously" to foreign objects, including water in the barrel.
      3. Massik Massik +2 29 October 2014 23: 10 Well, if the box is so tight that the water in it is held in a pan. Just the tightness of the receiver is the main Arok chip, so that the dirt does not leak ...
        1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 30 October 2014 01: 11 In the heat of argument began to contradict themselves? See your post from 14.23. Moreover, I’m talking about water, and you translate into mud. After all, it also happens to be different.
          1. Massik Massik +1 30 October 2014 12: 07 It is the same with water, the desire for absolute tightness, so that neither dirt nor water does not contradict the operation of the mechanisms. The argument, I remember, went about the effectiveness of AK and HC, with a comparison of reliability. Stupid shooting with a barrel full of water in the wildest circumstances will not bring benefits, even if the weapon withstands. Let's move on to the sand, full trunk. It will be much more interesting. laughing
            1. Bogranz Bogranz 0 30 October 2014 21: 52 Yes, easily. )))) Here is a small copy-quote from a conversation with one ... resident of the "promised land": "... Alexander Khanin12:16Alexei. I was holding AK in different countries. Believe that they all differ only in appearance: forend, butt, additional handle, but the main part is identical. Shot from AKM, AK-47, AK-74, AKS, AK-74u, etc. I fired in the same way from an M-16 (I have an old "broom" at my house, as it is called). Verify that no M-16 is compared with the AK. Let's see what they say about the "Tavor" in 15-20 years, but all the special groups that went to Lebanon came with the AK, which was mined in battle. Read my memoirs (I have a link on the network, and you can upload it to your cell phone). I wrote that the AK, which had stood for half a year, full of mud, was "broken" and worked on like new. AKs of various modifications were tested. The AK-74 was made with a plastic set: forend, butt, handles. A year later, the plastic began to deteriorate, and the machine guns, which no one SPECIALLY cleaned for a YEAR, shot very efficiently .... "Sorry, but the G-38 was not there yet. And the video with an Iraqi resident who got an AK out of a pile of sand in the yard, I hope watched....
            2. Bogranz Bogranz 0 30 October 2014 22: 26 PS A little video specially for you.
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  30. colonel manuch colonel manuch -2 29 October 2014 21: 44 I thought and still think: "Russian means the best."
    1. Silumin Silumin +2 29 October 2014 23: 36 Underestimating the enemy is very dangerous.

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