HG's Suit Against HBS Was Dismissed With Prejudice

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Butikksiden Vis statistikk: Globale prestasjoner BATTLETECH > Generelle diskusjoner > Emnedetaljer Wonko Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.23 HG's suit against HBS was dismissed with prejudice https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_33WnIpLEADui_Rh6dqSqtOKgNWRveWQ/viewNot much to go on in here, IANAL but my understanding is the 'with prejudice' means it or a similar suit may not be filed by HG again and that 'Civil Procedure 41(a)' means it was a voluntary dismissal, as in a judge did not decree it. It would seem like one of two possibilities occured.1) HG and HBS came to a confidential agreement2) HG realized they didn't have a leg to stand on and bailed at the last minute to avoid getting stuck with HBS' attorney's fees.I'm leaning towards 2 as there are some serious doubts as to whether HG even owns the copyrights in the first place and HG ammended their complaint at the 11th hours, a common stalling tactic. < > Viser 1–15 av 22 kommentarer RJM Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.26 Old news. The full saga is discussed in detail on the Paradox Battletech forum.To head off any enthusiasm, no this doesn't allow HBS to immediately add in the mechs that they have left out. That could open them to more litigation until the wider lawsuit is settled, which is still many months/years away. #1 David Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.28 Either way HG sucks. #2 Gracey Face Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.29 I am a newcomer to this internet controversy, this is the first I have seen of it. HG = HasbroGames? HBS is obvious. What happened, did HBS make this game without the rights to the battletech universe, or did thier rights expire during production? #3 Steellwaters Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.33 I thought I had read about a week ago the challange they filed claimed that the previous agreements didnt imply that they held the copyrights to the designs that they agreed to keep out of material. If they are challenging the grounds of that original agreement...and causing this case..filed based upon a violation of that agreement to be dismissed then how could they be open to further lawsuits concerning that agreement which looks void to me? I ask out of curiosity mostly. No reason why we cant eventually mod anything in we want so kind of moot if Paradox wont do it....I still play my FASA game with all the mechs I want so.... Sist redigert av Steellwaters; 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.34 #4 Wonko Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.34

Opprinnelig skrevet av Please don't kill me!!:I am a newcomer to this internet controversy, this is the first I have seen of it. HG = HasbroGames? HBS is obvious. What happened, did HBS make this game without the rights to the battletech universe, or did thier rights expire during production?

HG=Harmony Gold, the 'makers' of RoboTech, the quotes are there because RoboTech was an American creation of gluing several unrelated Japanese animes into one anglicized show. Back in the day (early '80s) BattleTech thought they had secured the rights to several mech designs to be used in the games, in the 90's HG sued them for infringing on those same designs which they had secured for Robotech. They settled out of court and those mechs became known as 'unseen' still referenced in the books and rules but never visually depicted. Eventually visually distinct redesigns were created for these unseens so they could be used again. HG is suing again over these redesigns, the kicker is that it turns out HG may never had had those copyrights to begin with. #5 RJM Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.35 Harmony Gold think they have certain rights to certain "Macross" mech models based on questionable contracts from decades ago. They've sued everyone in sight regularly if they see any mech game that has anything remotely similar and the fights usually end due to spiralling cost before any final legal ruling is made, so they do it again and again. HBS is just a small part of the wider fight. This time it finally looks like the whole thing is going to proceed to conclusion which -may- prevent HG ever getting to sue over it again. Sist redigert av RJM; 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.36 #6 FSD Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.36 Last I heard the other half of the lawsuit has until May 4th to show proof that they have the rights that they have not been able to show or it will be dismissed with prejudice for the Pirahna side.HBS totally had the rights for the Battletech universe. This, is in regards to the "Unseen" variants that are actually close copies of Macross/Robotech mech designs. HG is not Hasbro Games. It is Harmony Gold. The lawsuit is showing large signs that HG may not even of legally had the license they have been fighing over as it was sold to them by someone that may not of had a license that they could sell to HG. #7 Gracey Face Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.36

Opprinnelig skrevet av Wonko:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Please don't kill me!!:I am a newcomer to this internet controversy, this is the first I have seen of it. HG = HasbroGames? HBS is obvious. What happened, did HBS make this game without the rights to the battletech universe, or did thier rights expire during production?

HG=Harmony Gold, the 'makers' of RoboTech, the quotes are there because RoboTech was an American creation of gluing several unrelated Japanese animes into one anglicized show. Back in the day (early '80s) BattleTech thought they had secured the rights to several mech designs to be used in the games, in the 90's HG sued them for infringing on those same designs which they had secured for Robotech. They settled out of court and those mechs became known as 'unseen' still referenced in the books and rules but never visually depicted. Eventually visually distinct redesigns were created for these unseens so they could be used again. HG is suing again over these redesigns, the kicker is that it turns out HG may never had had those copyrights to begin with.

Thanks, friend.And thanks to others who answered.This whole thing seems incredibly frivolous. How to HG afford to launch these lawsuits? Sist redigert av Gracey Face; 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.37 #8 Wonko Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.47

Opprinnelig skrevet av Please don't kill me!!:Thanks, friend.And thanks to others who answered.This whole thing seems incredibly frivolous. How to HG afford to launch these lawsuits?

Honestly, they seem to be operating like the copyright equivelant of patent trolls, suing whomever they think will settle quickly out of court for $$$, dragging things out and making it increasingly expensive for those who don't so that they figure it's cheaper to cave than keep fighting. #9 Muskrat Vis profil Vis innlegg 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.55

Opprinnelig skrevet av FSD:Last I heard the other half of the lawsuit has until May 4th to show proof that they have the rights that they have not been able to show or it will be dismissed with prejudice for the Pirahna side.

The May 4 date is for HG to SHOW CAUSE against the "Does 1-10" defendants. Basically, since their time to amend their complaint to include new defendant's has passed, they have to provide proof that there are still unknown defendants. If not, those defendant's will be dismissed without prejudice, and HG would have to file a new suit to persecute them, should they find them. t doesn't really impact the case at all. #10 Muskrat Vis profil Vis innlegg 2. mai 2018 kl. 5.54 Youtuber Law has a live video yesterday discussing this case. He reviewed the lastest flings of HG's response to the MSJ, as well as PGI's response to that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY5v7wD8r-s #11 Wantoomany Vis profil Vis innlegg 2. mai 2018 kl. 10.19

Opprinnelig skrevet av Please don't kill me!!:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Wonko:HG=Harmony Gold, the 'makers' of RoboTech, the quotes are there because RoboTech was an American creation of gluing several unrelated Japanese animes into one anglicized show. Back in the day (early '80s) BattleTech thought they had secured the rights to several mech designs to be used in the games, in the 90's HG sued them for infringing on those same designs which they had secured for Robotech. They settled out of court and those mechs became known as 'unseen' still referenced in the books and rules but never visually depicted. Eventually visually distinct redesigns were created for these unseens so they could be used again. HG is suing again over these redesigns, the kicker is that it turns out HG may never had had those copyrights to begin with.

Thanks, friend.And thanks to others who answered.This whole thing seems incredibly frivolous. How to HG afford to launch these lawsuits?

Yeah, it's a mess. But it gets worse. Because while the case between HG and HBS was dismissed. It's still not over. You see, HBS licensed the mechs for this game from the people behind MechWarrior online. So we will only ever see mechs in this game that are used in that game. That game however is using some of the unseen mechs. They redesigned to be different enough to avoid lawsuits. It happened anyhow. So while our lawsuit is over. We still can't get access to the unseen until MechWarrior online wins their case. Put simply, HG sucks. #12 Captain Cosmo Vis profil Vis innlegg 13. mai 2018 kl. 21.08 Good. I've had a bone to pick with Harmony Gold since the old days when they gave the shaft to FASA. I was very lucky to have a buddy who had the original Battletech technical manuals before FASA was forced to redact everything to take out the classic mechs like the Marauder and Phoenix Hawk. Many many years later we have remodels of those classic badass machines, but it's just not quite the same. If someone can finally put HG permanently in their place, and let's be honest: Macross is lost to the sands of time while BattleTech continues to stay relevant... well, if they get put down, I'll be one happy camper. To hear the news that they may not actually have ever legally held the rights to the likenesses gives me a lot of hope and more than a little snarky cheer. #13 MadAdam81 Vis profil Vis innlegg 14. mai 2018 kl. 0.05 I would rather work for Trump than Harmony Gold. #14 Asmosis Vis profil Vis innlegg 14. mai 2018 kl. 0.10

Opprinnelig skrevet av RJM:Harmony Gold think they have certain rights to certain "Macross" mech models based on questionable contracts from decades ago. They've sued everyone in sight regularly if they see any mech game that has anything remotely similar and the fights usually end due to spiralling cost before any final legal ruling is made, so they do it again and again. HBS is just a small part of the wider fight. This time it finally looks like the whole thing is going to proceed to conclusion which -may- prevent HG ever getting to sue over it again.

Nothing's getting concluded since HG only targetted specific things in HBS's game, iirc hunchback and atlas or something, so it only means they can't pursue those *specific* things again.It has no impact on their ability to pursue unseen mechs or anything else that catches their fancy.Also not watching a 2 hour youtuber about something that can be sumarised in a couple minutes. Sist redigert av Asmosis; 14. mai 2018 kl. 0.26 #15 < > Viser 1–15 av 22 kommentarer Per side: 1530 50 BATTLETECH > Generelle diskusjoner > Emnedetaljer Dato lagt ut: 1. mai 2018 kl. 11.23Innlegg: 22 Diskusjonsregler og retningslinjer

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