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- Start date Start date 2012-01-21 7:09 pm
oaristys
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Joined 2008 Hi every audio Diyers 🙂 First checking for cheap two way mini bookshelf i decided to go with the famous Overnight sensation. Not complicated but after few listening test i notice few problems. The box size bring some gain problem somwhere between 150 and 250 hz and bass is shy and lack kick. I add lot of white light stuffing inside and i browse all the house to find a material that react on the problematic frequencies. I finaly find an chrismas sock tissue that make the job 😀 So with this add-on the bass is more present and have more cick with less off resonnance and incoherences. Not perfect but better. Everything was promessing until i make some test for other frequencies. There i'm verry disapointed by a kind of distortion and it's why i need your experience and help 😕 On many frequencys like 500hz, 600hz, 700hz, 1kh (on near all but at different level), i get an thin steel problematic vibration. It's like a mini brass horn that try to reproduct speaker sound. With test, it's near that sound it make when i touch lightly the cone with my finger but less quiter. All thest setup result in same thing. Driver only out of the box, driver in the box, no crossover, plugged to left chanel, plugged to right channel etc. ... the issue stay present. When i plug my Monitor Audio RS8, the frequencies are soft, and the MA drivers stay stealth ! So my tube amp do the signal correctly. The two B4N produce this distortion but one louder than the other. Impossible to get hifi sound with this issue that make driver immediatly detectable in the soundstage ans it make listening fatiguing and agressive. I don't know what to do .. is that broken drivers ? Just cheap drivers ? It is the normal quality i'm supposed to get ? If yes, is there a better driver i can fit with same enclosure and crossover to save the project ? 🙁 Thank you for your help ! UUndefinition
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Joined 2007 sites.google.com/site/undefinition/diy I have heard of a few instances where people had a defective HiVi B4N. The problem is usually because the tinsel leads are slapping the cone from the back. I would recommend checking this first. Also, try and contact the store where you bought the B4N and see if they can get you a replacement woofer. oaristys
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Joined 2008Undefinition said: I have heard of a few instances where people had a defective HiVi B4N. The problem is usually because the tinsel leads are slapping the cone from the back. I would recommend checking this first. Also, try and contact the store where you bought the B4N and see if they can get you a replacement woofer. Click to expand...Hô 😛 I don't hope get answer by the OS designer itself !!!! My respect 😀 Your design is fabulous ! At last, it's the first time i mak a complete project that sound better than what i can buy for the same amont (over BestBuy for example). This kind of tiny bookshelf simply does'nt exist there. I put the woofers back in the enclosure and use it as is. The sound is pretty good anyway. No leed, no wire seem to touch the cone. But it still adhesive on the back so few dust stack on it. Can it create sort of distortion ? (i look every possibility) I understand now that if i can get the best of theses jewell, i need to push it a bit with more power. It seems to need an 50w amp for about 25 - 35 w output. My 30W Shanling need to bi pushed over the sweet sounding zone. But the result stille as good as cheap amp righ in the sweet zone 😛 I make some "absolutely not scientific" mesure. Am i supposed to see an 1500 - 5000hz pump ? I already have read somewhere that it usual on metallic cone... Thank you verry much for your sharing. You make my chrismas holliday more exciting even my student budget 🙂 Wow i'm full excited lol
blue934
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Joined 2007 just to confirm it is a driver issue, disconnect the tweeters from xover and play left/right woofers seperately. repteat process for tweeters in order to find which driver is the problem. double check the xrossover construction as well. i have built a sealed and ported version and the ported put out more than enough bass. a very pleasing design in my opinion. hope you find the problem and if it is a driver, do as Paul mentioned and contact your supplier. they should go good for them providing there isn't physical damage (dropped, screwdriver through the cone etc) david oaristys
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Joined 2008blue934 said: just to confirm it is a driver issue, disconnect the tweeters from xover and play left/right woofers seperately. repteat process for tweeters in order to find which driver is the problem. double check the xrossover construction as well. i have built a sealed and ported version and the ported put out more than enough bass. a very pleasing design in my opinion. hope you find the problem and if it is a driver, do as Paul mentioned and contact your supplier. they should go good for them providing there isn't physical damage (dropped, screwdriver through the cone etc) david Click to expand...Thank you for advise Like i try to write with my *poor english (I'm french), i do test with woofer separately out of the box. Plugged direct on the amp just after test the tone with reference speaker. What sound strange for me is the two woofer do this distortion but at different level... Just to compare, what stuffing do you use (location and quantity) in your OS ? How much time to you have to wait to fully breake-in the woofer ? thank you again !
blue934
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Joined 2007 it's been a while since i built these but i think a put a softball size wad of pillow stuffing in the bottom of the ported box but not blocking the vent. that was for mid base tuning only. adjust to preference. you did line the walls with some acousting damping of some kind, did you? the sealed was lightly stuffed full. if the drivers are sounding odd out of the box, try to return them. i usually play new speakers all day while i'm at work for a few days before i get critical with them but that won't fix a buzzing woofer. david oaristys
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Joined 2008 return I'm a bit perplexed... Solen respond my email by mention that this hivi driver is problem free and get no return over 10 years ... I should go there to make some test... not really interesting when consider the value of drives... Maybe it's the reason of no return over 10 years ? ... this drive get good review and is qualified as verry low distortion... oaristys
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Joined 2008 Solen I make a record of 625hz sine wave of the B4N and RS8. I make a .wav file with two test in line and i send it to the store. Support reply saying that my ears are better than them because he does'nt make difference between two sine reproduciton. 😕 This same guy already said that difference between the sound with this quality Caps is evident. (huh!) I don't know what to tink about this... I don't know where to put this file to let you ear it. ?? I'm verry surprised. I'm scared that the kind of quality i'm looking for is not realy the same than average... So if it's the case, i have to said that Silver Flute drivers are amazing for the price. Way better distortion level than what i get with HiVi and TB Speakers. Don't need any measurement system to inditify this issue 😉 blue934
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Joined 2007oaristys said: I'm a bit perplexed... Solen respond my email by mention that this hivi driver is problem free and get no return over 10 years ... I should go there to make some test... not really interesting when consider the value of drives... Maybe it's the reason of no return over 10 years ? ... this drive get good review and is qualified as verry low distortion... Click to expand...that's a strange reply. just because a product has been sold in the past with no returns doesn't mean that a defective unit can't exist. i've dealt with solen for yrs with no problems so i hope you can sort this out with them.
oaristys
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Joined 2008 Every people who listen to my little .wav file of speaker comparaison find the distortion is evident even with basic sound system... I'm not happy with this reply ! And because the two driver show the same issue seems to be more quality than deffect.. Someone know an alternative driver for this volume and same crossover ? oaristys
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Joined 2008 The file I upload the wav file on my website http://francoischagnon.com/oaristys/Test-Hivi.wav You can use this link if you prefer to download the .wav file and play on your favorite player. Just to right lick on Test-Hivi.wav file link and click save as ... (you probably already know all of that) First half of the wav is HiVi B4N at 625hz and the other is RS8 at same frequence. What is you verdict ?
U Undefinition
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Joined 2007 sites.google.com/site/undefinition/diy Did you try running just the woofer, and just the tweeter, on their own? We want to make sure the sound is coming from the woofer. With the woofer's filter, what kind of capacitor are you using for C3 (.22 uF)? oaristys
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Joined 2008Undefinition said: Did you try running just the woofer, and just the tweeter, on their own? We want to make sure the sound is coming from the woofer. With the woofer's filter, what kind of capacitor are you using for C3 (.22 uF)? Click to expand...Thank's for your time 🙂 I use Benic and Solen Capacitors but with the smallest available, same with inductors. Do you ear my recording ? If yes, when you do same test on your self B4N is the same problem occur ? If not, it's a good news 🙂 Let me know please. When i ear the distortion first time i begain test with the driver only. I have to do more test but with another amp. Just to be sure nothing append just because the amp goes out of power but ... honestly if it is the case, i would be very surprised, the Shanling Stp-80 is not many watt but way enough power to keep this kind of problem off on this domain of amplitude and frequence. But ... this can be officialy true only if i do test with other receiver. The distortion apear in near all amplitude. It's not "clipping" like when reach a exagerated power. For the rest... When i listen to Overnight Sensation with my new room setup, i'm verry pleased about presence and precision (soudscape). They produce bass enough just when it is well placed. It's good project. The only evident flaw appear with some instrument and vocals.
Hô ! And i found that a kind of 10 or 15 degrees off axis make OS well balanced high and bass. Is that logical ? Thank you again for your contribution ! oaristys
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Joined 2008Undefinition said: Did you try running just the woofer, and just the tweeter, on their own? We want to make sure the sound is coming from the woofer. With the woofer's filter, what kind of capacitor are you using for C3 (.22 uF)? Click to expand...There is the capacitor i choose : Solen Electronique Inc. A
armeker
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Joined 2012 I know this is an old thread, but if you havent resolved your issue yet you should test the woofers out of the cabinet. I know you won't get the same type of sound but you could see if maybe it is something vibrating in the cabinet due to the way you laid things out or even if something is rubbing on the woofer. Rramiro77
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Joined 2010 I think that´s not an issue from the cabinet. Thats high THD in one of the samples. I listened the wav file and looked at a spectrum analizer and I realized that one of the drivers has two tones really high: 1.2khz and 2.2khz aprox. But the other one doesn´t show that. So I guess that the 1.2khz tone is the second order THD, and 2.2khz is very close to the next octave (third order THD). oaristys
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Joined 2008ramiro77 said: I think that´s not an issue from the cabinet. Thats high THD in one of the samples. I listened the wav file and looked at a spectrum analizer and I realized that one of the drivers has two tones really high: 1.2khz and 2.2khz aprox. But the other one doesn´t show that. So I guess that the 1.2khz tone is the second order THD, and 2.2khz is very close to the next octave (third order THD). Click to expand...I agree (after few years, yes 😛) I'm quite slow sometime... The woofer show distortion on or out of the box. Status Not open for further replies. Share: Facebook X Bluesky LinkedIn Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email Link
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