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Joined Jun 20, 2008 Messages 300 Reaction score 50 So- I have a lot of HSS Strats and I find the Humbucker is never as strong sounding as expected- and the volume still doesn't quite match up to the single coil neck volume- I have 250k pots in because I spend 70% of my time on the neck or neck/middle pickups- but when I want a good Humbucker tone- would love to have it! I also almost NEVER have the volume rolled off on the bridge humbucker- but almost ALWAYS have the neck rolled back quite a bit- also have a treble bleed installed for that reason. I'd like to wire the bridge humbucker with it's own 500k volume pot in the bottom tone pot position- so when I switch back and forth the volume on the bride is full up- the volume on the neck is where it was already set at. I can't find a single diagram explaining how to use 2 separate volumes on a Strat 5-way- TONS of advise on 10000 combinations and ultimate Strat wiring this and that- but that's not what I need- I just need a separate volume dedicated to the bridge humbucker. I really don't even need the tone knob- just a dedicated 500k volume pot. How would I wire that? Has anyone found any diagrams showing how to do that? Seems like this would be a popular option. I don't need to hear how you wiring option is better- or why I would want 15 ways to make different combinations and the ultimate Strat version with push pull pots etc. Just a simple dedicated volume pot for the humbucker is all I need. Any help with diagrams would be really appreciated because my Google searches came up zero

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Silver Supporting Member Joined Oct 29, 2018 Messages 3,073 Reaction score 6,363 Location Chicago, IL, USA I'm working up a diagram for you. How do you want it to operate in position 2? I like to auto-split the humbucker there to combine with the middle single. The trick here is whether you want both volumes operable on that position 2, or which one?

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Joined Jun 20, 2008 Messages 300 Reaction score 50 J-Factor- Diagram 2 is perfecto- exactly what I was looking for with my normal 5 way switch. Thank you!

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Joined Sep 27, 2019 Messages 4,702 Reaction score 9,923 Location Adelaide, Australia Here's a diagram I found online and modified slightly. It has a 250k volume pot for the neck and middle and a 500k volume and tone for the bridge HB. I also put treble bleed circuits on both volume controls. Pos 2 is full HB and middle, which I never use.

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J Factor said: Here are some options: Use the top diagram if you can use a Super 5-way switch (4 pole 5 way). This gets you: 1. Bridge full humbucker, uses lower 500k volume, no tone control 2. Bridge (auto-split to single) with Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 3. Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 4. Neck and Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 5. Neck, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control The upper volume is a 250k for the four single-coil options, the middle knob is a standard strat style tone control for the 4 single-coil options, and the lower knob is an independent 500k volume for the bridge humbucker only. Just FYI, the traditional setup of a humbucker with a 500k volume and 500k tone in parallel sees a total 250k load; without a tone control, you may find a single 500k volume a bit bright for the humbucker, so a single 250k pot in that lower humbucker volume position without a tone control in parallel will get you the typical sound. ---- Use the bottom diagram for a standard Strat 5-way switch. This gets you: 1. Bridge full humbucker, uses lower 500k volume, no tone control. 2. Bridge full humbucker with middle, uses BOTH volume controls plus tone control 3. Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 4. Neck and Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 5. Neck, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control A note about position 2 in this case: since this enables both volume controls and the tone control, this will be a strange loading condition and will likely sound dark. ---- Click to expand...

I marvel at how easily some people can do this. Well done, sir! Morpeli

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Silver Supporting Member Joined Feb 19, 2011 Messages 1,709 Reaction score 2,261 Here’s one wit a push/pull to add the neck to the bridge... guitarelectronics.com

Strat w/ Neck Tone That Converts to Neck Volume/Blender (7 Sound)

Guitar wiring diagram with three single coils, 5-way lever switch, 1(2) volume, 2(1) tones. Typical Strat style guitar with push/pull pot that converts the neck tone pot to a neck volume control to allow the neck to be blended in with the bridge and/or middle pickup. With the neck tone pulled... guitarelectronics.com

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fuzz guy said: Here's a diagram I found online and modified slightly. It has a 250k volume pot for the neck and middle and a 500k volume and tone for the bridge HB. I also put treble bleed circuits on both volume controls. Pos 2 is full HB and middle, which I never use. Click to expand...

just wondering if you’ve actually used this diagram? I’m trying to wire my HSS this Way but I can’t get anything to come out of the neck and middle pickups. The bridge pickup works and the tone on the bridge works too

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Brook said: just wondering if you’ve actually used this diagram? I’m trying to wire my HSS this Way but I can’t get anything to come out of the neck and middle pickups. The bridge pickup works and the tone on the bridge works too Click to expand...

Yes, I have a Strat copy that I wired like that a few years ago and it's always worked fine. It's a bit of a messy diagram, sorry. I'll double check my notes just to be sure I didn't need to modify it any further. G

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Brook said: just wondering if you’ve actually used this diagram? I’m trying to wire my HSS this Way but I can’t get anything to come out of the neck and middle pickups. The bridge pickup works and the tone on the bridge works too Click to expand...

I see a few things wrong with that diagram. The tone pot only works on the HB. The correct way, I think, is to take both volume outputs and run them into the tone pot. Output of tone pot goes to jack The single coil side of the switch is not connected to the output. You need to put a jumper between the common lugs.

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Gclef said: I see a few things wrong with that diagram. The tone pot only works on the HB. The correct way, I think, is to take both volume outputs and run them into the tone pot. Output of tone pot goes to jack The single coil side of the switch is not connected to the output. You need to put a jumper between the common lugs. Click to expand...

The idea of that diagram was to only have a tone control on the bridge pickup. If you wanted a master tone control then you would place it between the switch and the jack. The common on the left side runs to the N&M volume, which then connects to the appropriate lugs on the other side of the switch. They connect to the output when the switch is in the proper position.

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Joined Sep 27, 2019 Messages 4,702 Reaction score 9,923 Location Adelaide, Australia I had a look at the printed diagram I used when soldering everything up and I didn't make a note of any issues. Double check the contacts on your 5-way switch, they are arranged differently on different brands of switches. Here's a diagram I found online that I used when doing this project. The diagram I posted uses the "Stew-Mac" switch layout, and I believe that CRL and OG switches are the same as the "Fender" one.

Beyond that, perhaps it's just a bad solder joint? Double check everything with a multimeter. Last edited: Jul 14, 2021 Brook

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fuzz guy said: I had a look at the printed diagram I used when soldering everything up and I didn't make a note of any issues. Double check the contacts on your 5-way switch, they are arranged differently on different brands of switches. Here's a diagram I found online that I used when doing this project. The diagram I posted uses the "Stew-Mac" switch layout, and I believe that CRL and OG switches are the same as the "Fender" one. Beyond that, perhaps it's just a bad solder joint? Double check everything with a multimeter. Click to expand...

Thank you so much for your reply. I have the fender type switch which is the same as the diagram. May the moment everything on the side with the link is live (I don’t have a multimeter (I blew the last one up on a car battery ) I’m going to buy one today but if I’m plugged in with the amp on and move the selector, I get signal on all of the positions. On the side with pickup hots connected I get nothing from any of them (the bridge is obviously going direct to its volume and that makes buzz all the way around.

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Brook said: T Thank you so much for your reply. I have the fender type switch which is the same as the diagram. Click to expand...

Just to be clear, the Fender type switch as shown in the diagram in post #13 is not the same layout as the switch in my original diagram (post #6). I'm not sure if that's what you meant to say. Which switch positions do get signal from the bridge pickup (not just hum)? An easy way to check if signal is coming from a pickup is by tapping the pole piece with a steel object, you'll clearly hear the tapping sound coming through the amp. If it's anything other than position 1 and 2 then something is definitely wired incorrectly.

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Joined Sep 27, 2019 Messages 4,702 Reaction score 9,923 Location Adelaide, Australia @Brook I'm curious to know if you got the wiring scheme to work for you. Brook

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fuzz guy said: Just to be clear, the Fender type switch as shown in the diagram in post #13 is not the same layout as the switch in my original diagram (post #6). I'm not sure if that's what you meant to say. Which switch positions do get signal from the bridge pickup (not just hum)? An easy way to check if signal is coming from a pickup is by tapping the pole piece with a steel object, you'll clearly hear the tapping sound coming through the amp. If it's anything other than position 1 and 2 then something is definitely wired incorrectly. Click to expand...

Thank you for the reply. As it turns out I had a non functioning 250k pot?!?!? Weird thing is that it was the 2nd one I’d tried. I didn’t put heat on either of them for more than 15 seconds. So weird. anyway it’s working perfectly now thank you so much for your help

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Joined Sep 27, 2019 Messages 4,702 Reaction score 9,923 Location Adelaide, Australia No worries, that's good to hear, glad you got it working!

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fuzz guy said: No worries, that's good to hear, glad you got it working! Click to expand...

Bumping to say thanks for posting this wiring diagram. It was precisely what I needed and worked great. M

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J Factor said: Here are some options: Use the top diagram if you can use a Super 5-way switch (4 pole 5 way). This gets you: 1. Bridge full humbucker, uses lower 500k volume, no tone control 2. Bridge (auto-split to single) with Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 3. Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 4. Neck and Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 5. Neck, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control The upper volume is a 250k for the four single-coil options, the middle knob is a standard strat style tone control for the 4 single-coil options, and the lower knob is an independent 500k volume for the bridge humbucker only. Just FYI, the traditional setup of a humbucker with a 500k volume and 500k tone in parallel sees a total 250k load; without a tone control, you may find a single 500k volume a bit bright for the humbucker, so a single 250k pot in that lower humbucker volume position without a tone control in parallel will get you the typical sound. ---- Use the bottom diagram for a standard Strat 5-way switch. This gets you: 1. Bridge full humbucker, uses lower 500k volume, no tone control. 2. Bridge full humbucker with middle, uses BOTH volume controls plus tone control 3. Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 4. Neck and Middle, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control 5. Neck, uses upper 250k volume plus tone control A note about position 2 in this case: since this enables both volume controls and the tone control, this will be a strange loading condition and will likely sound dark. ---- Click to expand...

Hi! First time poster here, thank you for your help in advance! Can anyone verify the lower wiring on the drawing? I've done it and both vol pots work all the time, what am I missing? I've connected both (red plus) middle lugs to the output, is that ok or? Thanks!

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Marko9801 said: Hi! First time poster here, thank you for your help in advance! Can anyone verify the lower wiring on the drawing? I've done it and both vol pots work all the time, what am I missing? I've connected both (red plus) middle lugs to the output, is that ok or? Thanks! Click to expand...

Have you grounded all the pots as shown in the upper diagram? I omitted those details for clarity. Also do you have the two common lugs on the switch connected (shown in green) ?

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