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• Thread starter Chwunny
• Start date Sep 19, 2014
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Chwunny

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Joined Nov 28, 2011 Messages 983 Reaction score 206 Hey guys, I have a Line 6 M9 on my board currently. Playing around with the idea of going down to an M5 and a Zoom G1xon. I know the G1xon doesn't have tap tempo, but the M5 can send that signal via MIDI. If I were to pick up one of those gHOST converters from Disaster Area Designs or something like it, does anyone know if I could use an M5 to send tap temp signals to the G1xon? C

Chwunny

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Joined Nov 28, 2011 Messages 983 Reaction score 206 Bump

Nick Sorenson

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Joined Jul 5, 2007 Messages 1,161 Reaction score 524 Location MO If you could find what the signals are that are sent, it may be possible. You can send MIDI signals to the G1Xon via Bomes SendSX. Bank numbers are: C0 00 C0 01 C0 02 ... and on via hex for the second pair of digits. You can also turn on/off effects this way. There's a lot you can do but I've only scratched the surface. This also works on the MS series and G3/G5's. D

drdashdot

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Joined Nov 14, 2015 Messages 65 Reaction score 55 No, the G1on, G1Xon don't do tap tempo. There's no way you can set tempo via USB - the only way is by using the little blue knob. I'd be very very happy to be told I'm wrong (as long as I'm also told how to do it!) Cheers Dave

john lan

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Joined Oct 24, 2015 Messages 771 Reaction score 402 you could probably sacrifice some off the patches and and have them with delay times like 100 ,150,200 ....650,700,750 and make your controler choose the one closer to your tap tempo input for 50 ms intervals from 200 -600 ms you would need 6 patces with 25 ms intervals 12 patches this would probably need custom code

mojah

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Joined Sep 5, 2007 Messages 547 Reaction score 261 Location Massachusetts It's my understanding the the G1-on only responds to standard midi patch changes (midi via usb). MIDI SYSEX - who knows?

Nick Sorenson

Rocketfire Guitars

Joined Jul 5, 2007 Messages 1,161 Reaction score 524 Location MO

drdashdot said: No, the G1on, G1Xon don't do tap tempo. There's no way you can set tempo via USB - the only way is by using the little blue knob. I'd be very very happy to be told I'm wrong (as long as I'm also told how to do it!) Cheers Dave Click to expand...

"No way" is strong words. I'll bet someone at Zoom knows what MIDI signal the pedal wants for Tap Tempo and a multitude of other parameters. It's very easy to get it to change patches using a USB cable and Bomes SendSX. You type in C0 00 and hit send and you get bank A0. Keep going up (i.e. C0 01, C0 02, ... C0 0X) and your bank increments and vice versa. Just remember you're working in Hexadecimal so once you get to C0 09 you have to go to C0 0A. I've played around a bit trying random things to get tap tempo to happen. Hasn't happened yet... but again, I'm sure someone at Zoom knows the answer to this question. IMO, the G1Xon would be worlds better with a little more flexibility (as would all of their products). They should release a MIDI control board. It would sell. E

ERGExplorer

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Joined Jul 11, 2010 Messages 6,051 Reaction score 4,333 Let's just say... the folks who have done the work of figuring out what the Zoom gear reacts to via MIDI, leading to the current beat public understanding and to the various MIDI controllers and patch programs, didn't manage to get any tap tempo response when they did their sweep of all possible MIDI commands using tools like MIDI-OX. So, in that particular search space of valid MIDI commands, they didn't find tap tempo.

filo01

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Joined Jan 13, 2013 Messages 622 Reaction score 289 Location Ostrava, Czech Republic, EU ERGExplorer, Do you have any experience with MIDI-OX and Zoom G1On/XOn? I've tried, Zoom is recognized as MIDI device but nothing more. No reaction when I've changed patch or parameters. Edit&Share and ZoomLib works normally, so MIDI signal between Zoom and PC is OK.

Nick Sorenson

Rocketfire Guitars

Joined Jul 5, 2007 Messages 1,161 Reaction score 524 Location MO filo01, try Bome Send SX... look back 2 posts (post #7). But MIDI-Ox should be able to do the same thing.

filo01

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Joined Jan 13, 2013 Messages 622 Reaction score 289 Location Ostrava, Czech Republic, EU Nick, thanks for the tip, unfortunately situation is the same as with MIDI-OX. Zoom is connected as MIDI device but changing patches do nothing, no incoming messages.

Nick Sorenson

Rocketfire Guitars

Joined Jul 5, 2007 Messages 1,161 Reaction score 524 Location MO You will not get incoming messages (at least by no way that I know of). You type into the MIDI Out box, then hit send. It will change patches if you use the text I gave. I've heard Zoom has given some "improved" firmware updates on certain products that remove the capability to receive MIDI messages. But so far every device I've tested has worked great.

filo01

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Joined Jan 13, 2013 Messages 622 Reaction score 289 Location Ostrava, Czech Republic, EU Hmm, strange. I'm using a drdashdot's ZoomLib software and somehow I'm receiving whole patch structure into the editor. I'm not familiar with MIDI so I'm trying to figure out what is going on under the surface. And my idea was to install some MIDI editor and check outgoing and incoming messages. Maybe it will be better to ask drdashdot personally edit: Outgoing messages (changing patches) from Bome SendSX works OK Last edited: Apr 20, 2016

Nick Sorenson

Rocketfire Guitars

Joined Jul 5, 2007 Messages 1,161 Reaction score 524 Location MO

ERGExplorer said: Let's just say... the folks who have done the work of figuring out what the Zoom gear reacts to via MIDI, leading to the current beat public understanding and to the various MIDI controllers and patch programs, didn't manage to get any tap tempo response when they did their sweep of all possible MIDI commands using tools like MIDI-OX. So, in that particular search space of valid MIDI commands, they didn't find tap tempo. Click to expand...

I thought a little more about the highlighted part of this post and I'm not sure this is possible. The reason I say this is because I've noticed that not only do you have basic commands like C0 01 for a simple patch change but I've gotten certain functionality to work (i.e. the tuner to activate or deactivate) with combinations of commands one after the other. In other words, this would be like saying that a person has tried all possible combinations on a combination lock or even a computer with trillions of possible options for the code. Statistically, we're up to a very high number of permutations when you not only consider dual digit hex commands but also pairs of them and beyond that, line upon line of successive commands and all of the orders you can put them in. With software, maybe this is possible. But I'd doubt MIDI-Ox is going to try all possible commands with just the right command before or after it to feed the Zoom what it wants. MIDI-Ox is surely not as sophisticated as a password cracking software that would try ALL possible MIDI combinations. Just as an example of these strings in the correct sequence: C0 0A B0 4B 56 Turns the tuner on with the G1xon. But if you have anything else between those to strings, no go. So it's not as simple as feeding it one usual possible command (i.e. C0 01). My bet is that there is some series of commands that will access tap tempo, turn on/off individual effects within a patch and more. Last edited: Apr 21, 2016 E

ERGExplorer

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Joined Jul 11, 2010 Messages 6,051 Reaction score 4,333 @Nick Sorenson - thanks for that. Good points.

Nick Sorenson

Rocketfire Guitars

Joined Jul 5, 2007 Messages 1,161 Reaction score 524 Location MO Sure ERGExplorer. Just my thoughts (and some experiments) on the topic. I'm guessing these Japanese programmers are friends with the ones who put the: Code: UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT BA BA select start into the beginning of Contra. So... that said. Who's gonna be the one of us to figure out how to get tap tempo to work on the G1xon... lol G

gsx2020

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Joined May 23, 2020 Messages 1 Reaction score 0 Hi everyone Is there a midi command to send to the G1xon to activate the looper and the rhythm patterns? Just activate, not start recording etc. M

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Hello all... Some time ago I successfully tried a Disaster Area DMC.micro with G1on and MS-50G. Both worked flawlessly (just patch change). Changed my rig, sold all that pedals, and now I have a G1X Four and wondered if midi works the same way than the other 2 zooms. Found little to none info on the internet. So I tried to send patch changes through the PC (with Bomes Sendsx) and it works... At least the first 10 patches (I don't know how to recall from patch 20 on. I send standard program change messages... C0 00 goes to preset 10 C0 01 goes to preset 11 ... C0 09 goes to preset 19 But C0 0A does nothing, neither does 14, 15, etc... So It seems that a midi controller could work to change 10 presets. Can anybody confirm? Does anybody know how to change to 2x, 3x, 4x and 5x presets? Cheers! Last edited by a moderator: Sep 10, 2020 M

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Sedaxel said: Hello all... Some time ago I successfully tried a Disaster Area DMC.micro with G1on and MS-50G. Both worked flawlessly (just patch change). Changed my rig, sold all that pedals, and now I have a G1X Four and wondered if midi works the same way than the other 2 zooms. Found little to none info on the internet. So I tried to send patch changes through the PC (with Bomes Sendsx) and it works... At least the first 10 patches (I don't know how to recall from patch 20 on. I send standard program change messages... C0 00 goes to preset 10 C0 01 goes to preset 11 ... C0 09 goes to preset 19 But C0 0A does nothing, neither does 14, 15, etc... So It seems that a midi controller could work to change 10 presets. Can anybody confirm? Does anybody know how to change to 2x, 3x, 4x and 5x presets? Cheers! Click to expand...

Well, I'll answer to myself. I've ordered a midi din to usb converter (you know, with usb host port to work without a computer), which is the DoreMidi, AliExpress, €38). I use a Helix LT as the midi commander. Helix has a really easy way of sending preset change messages, since it allows to send cc (00 or 32) to select bank, prior to the PC. Making this, using the cc32 bank message, Zoom G1X Four is totally able to read the messages and work flawlessly. It perfectly changes to any preset in any bank. I'm still to receive a G-Lab GSC2 midi switcher (found one used for €135), which I want to use with a couple analog pedals (compressor and OD), then to my tube amp, and then the Zoom in the amps loop, controlled by midi for mod, reverbs, delays, etc. This way I'm going to be able to have an all analog signal through my amps preamp, being able to switch its channel, and then a single AD/DA conversion for effects. And all the rig controlled by the GSC in presets or stomp mode or both. It's my alternative to just using helix in 4cm... I love its simplicity, just one device that does it all... But at the end, there's 2 AD/DA conversion in the process (4cm) and I just felt like soooome sliiiiiight amount of "whatever it is" was getting lost. This alternate way will allow me to go to my amp without any conversion or restriction, and then apply digital effects with a really small, good sounding, ridiculously cheap unit. By the way, I'll also be able to use its tuner and its volume pedal just the way I want. And also choose my favourite analog pedals. And also plug an electric acoustic guitar into the looper and have one output for the electric and other for the acoustic with its own Zoom preset for eq, comp, chorus, reverb or whatever. Happy. Last edited by a moderator: Sep 19, 2020 S

shooking_sybase

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Sedaxel said: Well, I'll answer to myself. I've ordered a midi din to usb converter (you know, with usb host port to work without a computer), which is the DoreMidi, AliExpress, €38). I use a Helix LT as the midi commander. Helix has a really easy way of sending preset change messages, since it allows to send cc (00 or 32) to select bank, prior to the PC. Making this, using the cc32 bank message, Zoom G1X Four is totally able to read the messages and work flawlessly. It perfectly changes to any preset in any bank. I'm still to receive a G-Lab GSC2 midi switcher (found one used for €135), which I want to use with a couple analog pedals (compressor and OD), then to my tube amp, and then the Zoom in the amps loop, controlled by midi for mod, reverbs, delays, etc. This way I'm going to be able to have an all analog signal through my amps preamp, being able to switch its channel, and then a single AD/DA conversion for effects. And all the rig controlled by the GSC in presets or stomp mode or both. It's my alternative to just using helix in 4cm... I love its simplicity, just one device that does it all... But at the end, there's 2 AD/DA conversion in the process (4cm) and I just felt like soooome sliiiiiight amount of "whatever it is" was getting lost. This alternate way will allow me to go to my amp without any conversion or restriction, and then apply digital effects with a really small, good sounding, ridiculously cheap unit. By the way, I'll also be able to use its tuner and its volume pedal just the way I want. And also choose my favourite analog pedals. And also plug an electric acoustic guitar into the looper and have one output for the electric and other for the acoustic with its own Zoom preset for eq, comp, chorus, reverb or whatever. Happy. Click to expand...

De re B1XFour

A collection of tips and tricks for Zoom B1On, B1XFour and G1XFour pedals. - shooking/ZoomPedalFun github.com Documents known midi for B1XFour. Works with the G1XFOUR and other variants. Seems to be code to control GCE-3 too. Some hints on the older B1On. And links to other research in the readme / wiki

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