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• Thread starter fivesense
• Start date May 10, 2021

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fivesense

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I have an X-T4 and love what it allows me to shoot. I've currently got the 16-80 and 50-140. When paired with the 50-140, it allows me to shoot the difficult indoor school type situations. However, occasionally such situations also require up close, wider angle shots. The X100V seems a really good, smaller form factor 35mm f/2. Plus, it is a fun all-around camera with tons of capability. However, if I analyze the smaller form factor and consider the X-S10 with the 35mm f/2 (or 23mm f/2), I'm in the same price ballpark, but with an ILC. I do love the smaller package of the X100V, and I appreciate its output. I'm looking for general thoughts, to include other lens suggestions.

Jonimages

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I would get the x100v if you ever want to do outdoor portraits with flash. With the leaf shutter and no sync speed plus the built in nd filter you get a great setup for outdoor portraits on sunny days.

Narsuitus

Well-Known Member

fivesense said: I'm looking for general thoughts, to include other lens suggestions. Click to expand...

I shoot with the 50-140mm f/2.8 paired with the 16-55mm f/2.8 on an X-Pro2. When I need something wider, I use a 12mm f/2.8 Zeiss. When I need something lighter and faster, I shoot with a 23mm f/2 Fujinon.

Richard_R

Up to my ankles

I doubt whether very many people could tell the difference between a photo taken with the X100V or the same scene with a S10 and 23 f2 but the user experience for the photographer would have been completely different. I think it is the user side of things that you need to consider most. If you are a dedicated SLR style user and want a camera that can back up your X-T4 and leverage your lens investment then the S10 will win every time. If you are looking for the visceral experience of using a X100 then there actually is no choice.

streetsntravel

Well-Known Member

My x100v is an integral and important part of my kit. It would serve you well as a quick handling 23mm fill in coverage camera for your tele primary. With one large caveat!! I don’t recommend it until it becomes your third body. If you are seriously considering a two body coverage kit, I think it’s a big mistake to not have two ILC bodies. For lenses, you’ve identified the 23mm f/2 as a great reportage adjunct. But since you also have the 16-80, I assume there is some reason that’s not your second choice. If you want to consider classic reportage, there is the new 28mm f/1.4. That lens especially since you mentioned inside shots. Paired with the 35mm f/1.4 then you only need the zoom when you are certain the venue calls for telephoto. Roger

jknights

Moderator

Admin/Moderation Team I dont have the X100V but the X100F is a dream to use. The new lens on the V does seem a real improvement over earlier models. I think you need to consider you needs/use of the camera in general the XS10 is a different camera to the X100V. I have the XS10 and really like it. I am still getting used to it but in many ways its controls are similar to X100 range. The X100V is a good first use camera or third use camera, the XS10 is a backup (second use) camera to your XT4!

Woodworth

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The X-S10 is really quite a different concept to the X-100F or V and if I were looking for a X-100F or V with ICL I'd look at the X-E3 or X-E4 with an 18mm/2 or 27mm/2.8. I have an X-E3 which I use with the 23mm/2 and 50mm/2 as a light weight kit for times when I want to travel light.

jknights

Moderator

Admin/Moderation Team As @Woodworth says the XE3/4 is an excellent option as well.

steveofstonehenge

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I don't see the love of the X100 series over the XT series cameras. Once you go the full interchangeable lens camera route, going back to a fixed lens just seems a step backwards to me. When I want to go really light, I just put the 23 f2 or 35 f1.4 lens on the XT4 and go. Zoom with your feet if required. Also, the weather sealing on the XT4 is the best Fuji has to offer. I'm an amateur, but I think most pros have an identical camera backup as the primary camera. In the heat of the battle, no mixups. Also, I'm starting to question the need for a backup camera for travel. Modern cell phone cameras are so good maybe you don't even need a backup. Granted you cannot get the same shots with a cell phone as a good mirrorless camera and lens.

kenbennett

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I have owned two of the X100 series and sold them both on to someone else. I'd rather just use my X Pro 2 with the 23mm f/2 lens. In your case, the image stabilizer in the X-S10 will make a difference, too. The X-S10 is a well designed small camera and feels good in the hand.

pszilard

paulsmedia.au

Jonimages said: I would get the x100v if you ever want to do outdoor portraits with flash. With the leaf shutter and no sync speed plus the built in nd filter you get a great setup for outdoor portraits on sunny days. Click to expand...

My thoughts exactly, which is why I bought an X100V a month ago to add to my ILC kit.

fivesense

Well-Known Member

Thread starter

Jonimages said: I would get the x100v if you ever want to do outdoor portraits with flash. With the leaf shutter and no sync speed plus the built in nd filter you get a great setup for outdoor portraits on sunny days. Click to expand...

I explored this exact scenario this weekend. It worked to perfection.

fivesense

Well-Known Member

Thread starter

jknights said: As @Woodworth says the XE3/4 is an excellent option as well. Click to expand...

Oh my, I hadn't looked at the XE series since the XE2. The XE4 looks like a contender! I'll have to do a side by side on the XE4 and X-S10. Great comments all around- thank you. As far as the X100 series, as Richard says, is simply an "experience," but it is also a high quality image maker. The light and small form factor is a huge plus too. Since I've had the rental, it seems to beg to go with me wherever I go. Last edited: May 10, 2021

jknights

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Admin/Moderation Team

fivesense said: Oh my, I hadn't looked at the XE series since the XE2. The XE4 looks like a contender! I'll have to do a side by side on the XE4 and X-S10. Great comments all around- thank you. As far as the X100 series, as Richard says, is simply an "experience," but it is also a high quality image maker. The light form factor is a huge plus too. Since I've had the rental, it seems to beg to go with me wherever I go. Click to expand...

Nor me as the Xt2 and XT3 are more or less perfect for me. I have the XS10 and XH1 as my lesser/low light pairing. The XE4 is unknown to me as I havent handled it, much less own it. I like my XE2 and my XE1 cameras are both IR converted now.

Primes4ever

Enthusiast

To throw in my two cents, it boils down to whether you are primarily looking for a backup camera that is smaller or going for a different photography experience (X100?). I personally have several cameras and a decent cell phone so have plenty of backup. The X100V suits my shooting style and is used more than 50% of the time. The benefits of the leaf shutter for fill flash is significant and I love the hybrid viewfinder. The other thing to consider is your shooting preferences. If you primarily use zooms, are you comfortable with using a fixed focal length, only you can decide.

fivesense

Well-Known Member

Thread starter

jknights said: Nor me as the Xt2 and XT3 are more or less perfect for me. I have the XS10 and XH1 as my lesser/low light pairing. The XE4 is unknown to me as I havent handled it, much less own it. I like my XE2 and my XE1 cameras are both IR converted now. Click to expand...

As far as my extensive 20 minute research demonstrates, the X-E4 is a minimalist, small and light camera with a great sensor. Compared to the X-S10, it lacks IBIS and a pop up flash (which I still find very useful from time to time). There are a few other differences but I do like that the sensors of the X-E4, X-S10, and X100V are all top notch.

fivesense

Well-Known Member

Thread starter

Primes4ever said: To throw in my two cents, it boils down to whether you are primarily looking for a backup camera that is smaller or going for a different photography experience (X100?). I personally have several cameras and a decent cell phone so have plenty of backup. The X100V suits my shooting style and is used more than 50% of the time. The benefits of the leaf shutter for fill flash is significant and I love the hybrid viewfinder. The other thing to consider is your shooting preferences. If you primarily use zooms, are you comfortable with using a fixed focal length, only you can decide. Click to expand...

Indeed, these are the main considerations for me. I do love my zooms as needed, and chose the 50-140 over the 70-200 (for my Nikon D750) as I'm trending toward investing more in my Fuji set up. I think the 50-140 will get a lot of work inside, but last week I exposed that I didn't have a camera or lens for the lower or challenging light, close up, wider shots that sometimes present themselves, to include the around-the-house candids that frequently pop up (and usually get the iPhone treatment). My 16-80 is a phenomenal lens, but it has its limitations in lower light. I do think another smaller ILC and fast lens makes a lot of sense. But there is just something about the X100V. In the few days I've had the rental, I've really been impressed, and I'm getting along with it more than any of the other X100 series cameras I've had. It's not just the improved lens and sensor- I think I'm starting to finally get it. Aside from the X factor, it's really a good, fast 35mm. I think it will come down to whether or not I want/need the IBIS and fast lens combo of the X-S10 or the simple, capable elegance of the X100V.

FullMetalHipster

Elon's Rottweiler

X100= not 35mm f2. 23mm f2. By 35mm, you probably meant the conversion... well you have to convert both parts. So 35mm 2.8. equivalent, not 35mm f2. You don't get a free ride on part #2 of that lens equation. Just a heads up! lol. Still better than the 27 2.8 which is a 40 F4 equivalent though. I'll take 35mm 2.8 any day in the X100 series.. and I did... many times!

fivesense

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digitalpatriot said: X100= not 35mm f2. 23mm f2. By 35mm, you probably meant the conversion... well you have to convert both parts. So 35mm 2.8. equivalent, not 35mm f2. You don't get a free ride on part #2 of that lens equation. Just a heads up! lol. Still better than the 27 2.8 which is a 40 F4 equivalent though. I'll take 35mm 2.8 any day in the X100 series.. and I did... many times! Click to expand...

That is excellent info- I did not know about the part 2 conversion.

FullMetalHipster

Elon's Rottweiler

Yep. If you got a full frame 35mm 2.8, you'd have for the most part identical results to your X100 series camera. I know cause when I had a Canon R/35mm 1.8 @ 2.8, I tested it vs the X100V. At full frame, the 35mm @ F2 has noticably thinner DOF than the X100V does wide open. At 2.8, it matches pretty much perfectly. The Canon R35 is super sharp and competes very well with the X100V. probably the two sharpest 35mm lenses i've ever used. D

darkslide

Well-Known Member

digitalpatriot said: You don't get a free ride on part #2 of that lens equation. Click to expand...

fivesense said: That is excellent info- I did not know about the part 2 conversion. Click to expand...

An f/2 lens is an f/2 lens for exposure purposes; you don’t lose a stop by changing the format.

fivesense

Well-Known Member

Thread starter

darkslide said: An f/2 lens is an f/2 lens for exposure purposes; you don’t lose a stop by changing the format. Click to expand...

I've never considered this conversion. Any additional information would be much appreciated. So f/stop isn't affected by format (FF, APS-C, etc...)? This sidebar caused me to do some research. Here's one article that discusses in depth. D

darkslide

Well-Known Member

fivesense said: I've never considered this conversion. Any additional information would be much appreciated. So f/stop isn't affected by format (FF, APS-C, etc...)? Click to expand...

No. Light meters don’t have format as an input. 8x10 or APSC, only three factors determine exposure: ISO, shutter speed, f-stop. F-stop is marked on the lens which has no idea what camera it is on.

Jonimages

Well-Known Member

fivesense said: I've never considered this conversion. Any additional information would be much appreciated. So f/stop isn't affected by format (FF, APS-C, etc...)? This sidebar caused me to do some research. Here's one article that discusses in depth. Click to expand...

Light hits the same individual pixels on full frame, cropped or m4/3 so there is no change in exposure FF, cropped, or m4/3. DOF will be different of course but easily mitigated if you understand DOF.

fivesense

Well-Known Member

Thread starter

Jonimages said: Light hits the same individual pixels on full frame, cropped or m4/3 so there is no change in exposure FF, cropped, or m4/3. DOF will be different of course but easily mitigated if you understand DOF. Click to expand...

Thank you. I did a deeper dive today from various sources. The one that clarified this subject for me the most is this video from Tony Northrup. It is semi technical (probably not to most people here) but very easily understandable. Crop factor TRUTH

Pastis 51

Member

One other thing amongst all the considerations is the performance difference of the 23 F2 variations wide open. The stand alone lens is soft at F2 close in, the 100v remains wonderfully sharp. I do have both and the 100v is the better 23 at all apertures in my view, although the difference as you stop down is not as pronounced than at F2. It may not be something of concern if you know you do not shoot wide open, close in, I never thought I would very much but quite a few situations meant I did! The 100v though is essentially a whole different shooting experience. This camera is the one I use most, the one I want to use all the time and in many years of photography has become the most liberating and enjoyable experience of any camera. It can't replace the D810 for the event work, I never intended it for that, but it is a lot of money to part with if the 23 F2 will do the job for you and you don't need the rest of what a 100v offers.

fivesense

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Pastis 51 said: One other thing amongst all the considerations is the performance difference of the 23 F2 variations wide open. The stand alone lens is soft at F2 close in, the 100v remains wonderfully sharp. I do have both and the 100v is the better 23 at all apertures in my view, although the difference as you stop down is not as pronounced than at F2. It may not be something of concern if you know you do not shoot wide open, close in, I never thought I would very much but quite a few situations meant I did! The 100v though is essentially a whole different shooting experience. This camera is the one I use most, the one I want to use all the time and in many years of photography has become the most liberating and enjoyable experience of any camera. It can't replace the D810 for the event work, I never intended it for that, but it is a lot of money to part with if the 23 F2 will do the job for you and you don't need the rest of what a 100v offers. Click to expand...

All excellent points, thank you. Because I have the X-T4, the X100V continues to be the most viscerally compelling choice. Whereas the X-S10 is assuredly a highly capable tool, it doesn't elicit the same "craving" as the X100V (but again, that's because the X-T4 is so good). The XE4 is very interesting to me, considering the application for which I intend this 2nd body. I thought about renting the XE4, but I figure I have a decent idea how it will handle. It just comes down to understanding best what I'd use this second body for the most. One thing I've learned in this deliberation while using the X100V is just how much I still have to learn on the X-T4. I've barely scratched the surface of its amazing capabilities as I've always been pulled back to FF, thinking image quality was so superior. I'm learning now just how good the new Fuji sensors are and that they aren't a compromise for 99% of my shooting. In fact, even back to the X-T1 and X100T, Fuji tech has always been better than my own abilities. I feel like I'm finally catching up.

Jonimages

Well-Known Member

fivesense said: All excellent points, thank you. Because I have the X-T4, the X100V continues to be the most viscerally compelling choice. Whereas the X-S10 is assuredly a highly capable tool, it doesn't elicit the same "craving" as the X100V (but again, that's because the X-T4 is so good). The XE4 is very interesting to me, considering the application for which I intend this 2nd body. I thought about renting the XE4, but I figure I have a decent idea how it will handle. It just comes down to understanding best what I'd use this second body for the most. One thing I've learned in this deliberation while using the X100V is just how much I still have to learn on the X-T4. I've barely scratched the surface of its amazing capabilities as I've always been pulled back to FF, thinking image quality was so superior. I'm learning now just how good the new Fuji sensors are and that they aren't a compromise for 99% of my shooting. In fact, even back to the X-T1 and X100T, Fuji tech has always been better than my own abilities. I feel like I'm finally catching up. Click to expand...

If this helps, my x100f is my second camera for wedding and events. Critical stuff goes on the x-t3 since it has card backup. Receptions, getting ready and candids go on the x100f and is used to tell the story from a different perspective.

fivesense

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Jonimages said: If this helps, my x100f is my second camera for wedding and events. Critical stuff goes on the x-t3 since it has card backup. Receptions, getting ready and candids go on the x100f and is used to tell the story from a different perspective. Click to expand...

This is very helpful. Thank you.

bralk

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With the current Fuji posibilities to me it would be a question of wanting the OVF or not. Post reply Insert quotes… Share: Facebook Twitter Email Share Link

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