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9404756

· Guest Joined Mar 11, 2018 · 1,943 Posts

AnderC9 said: at this rate I don't expect much from LG. Click to expand...

The next update does include the "Fine Tune Dark Areas" feature. I will probably share more details about the changes during the next week.

AnderC9

· Registered Joined Feb 13, 2020 · 227 Posts

HiFi4Vision said: The next update does include the "Fine Tune Dark Areas" feature. I will probably share more details about the changes during the next week. Click to expand...

Glad to hear that...

Reeneman

· Registered Joined Nov 14, 2021 · 185 Posts But why is the C9 not future proof? All the features are there beside the DV gaming 120 hz feature, which is only relevant for Xbox and totally overhyped in my opinion. I just hope to get the VRR Black Level slider because this can be useful when the Ps5 finally receive the VRR feature.

Reeneman

· Registered Joined Nov 14, 2021 · 185 Posts

HiFi4Vision said: The next update does include the "Fine Tune Dark Areas" feature. I will probably share more details about the changes during the next week. Click to expand...

Great to hear! Thanks for the info mate!

AnderC9

· Registered Joined Feb 13, 2020 · 227 Posts

Reeneman said: But why is the C9 not future proof? All the features are there beside the DV gaming 120 hz feature, which is only relevant for Xbox and totally overhyped in my opinion. I just hope to get the VRR Black Level slider because this can be useful when the Ps5 finally receive the VRR feature. Click to expand...

As you wrote DV @120 isn't supported, for You is useless, for those who buyed for next gen" hardware like xbox x it is for example. I know and understand that the new" feature is new for everyone but the fact that they aren't added it it's a shame: again,2 years of support in terms of new feature is a poor deal for me in this kind of tech. edit: also, vrr had its problems with this set....

Reeneman

· Registered Joined Nov 14, 2021 · 185 Posts

AnderC9 said: As you wrote DV @120 isn't supported, for You is useless, for those who buyed for next gen" hardware like xbox x it is for example. I know and understand that the new" feature is new for everyone but the fact that they aren't added it it's a shame: again,2 years of support in terms of new feature is a poor deal for me in this kind of tech. edit: also, vrr had its problems with this set.... Click to expand...

But the VRR issues are more or less the same on the CX and C1. The VRR Black Level slider will help a little but the main issue is caused by the oled panel technology itself. A software update won’t help. Probably we see an improvement in further generations like a possible C3 (or whatever it will be called) for example. It would be nice to have the DV120 feature as well but you can use the Tv with DV 60 or turn off DV gaming and play with 120 hz/HDR10. First tests are showing that there is not much improvement with Dolby vision gaming. At least there is currently only one game supporting DV natively on the Xbox, that is Halo Infinite. *Edit: Forza 5, too I understand the concern and it would have been a nice move from Lg to bring this feature to the C9 as well, but nevertheless you won’t miss something groundbreaking - beside all the hype that Microsoft created around this feature. T

teiresias

· Registered Joined Jul 21, 2001 · 728 Posts It would be amazing if they found some way to get us the originally promised BFI options that mysteriously vanished upon release (and made it into the CX), but not holding my breathe.

avernar

· Registered Joined Mar 6, 2008 · 6,157 Posts

AnderC9 said: for those who buyed for next gen" hardware like xbox x it is for example. Click to expand...

4K 120Hz with HGiG is only minimally different from DV. So DV really is over hyped. I have an Xbox Series X and really don't care for DV for gaming, especially since I'll lose RGB.

GCTuba

· Registered Joined Nov 28, 2016 · 195 Posts

AnderC9 said: also, vrr had its problems with this set.... Click to expand...

I have problems with VRR on this TV too (near-black flashing) but keep in mind VRR wasn't even an advertised feature when this TV first came out. It was added months later. The fact that we have it at all is a nice bonus.

Reeneman

· Registered Joined Nov 14, 2021 · 185 Posts

GCTuba said: I have problems with VRR on this TV too (near-black flashing) but keep in mind VRR wasn't even an advertised feature when this TV first came out. It was added months later. The fact that we have it at all is a nice bonus. Click to expand...

VRR is one of the hdmi 2.1 features. Like I already wrote this flashing occurs even on the newer models. This happens mostly when the framerate fluctuates heavily and way under 40-50 fps. 9

9404756

· Guest Joined Mar 11, 2018 · 1,943 Posts

teiresias said: It would be amazing if they found some way to get us the originally promised BFI options that mysteriously vanished upon release (and made it into the CX), but not holding my breathe. Click to expand...

As described in this thread, you can use ColorControl to activate OLED Motion Pro (at your own risk).

avernar

· Registered Joined Mar 6, 2008 · 6,157 Posts

Reeneman said: VRR is one of the hdmi 2.1 features. Click to expand...

Which is not mandatory. None of the features are.

christofin

· Registered Joined Jul 5, 2020 · 263 Posts

GCTuba said: I have problems with VRR on this TV too (near-black flashing) but keep in mind VRR wasn't even an advertised feature when this TV first came out. It was added months later. The fact that we have it at all is a nice bonus. Click to expand...

That's probably a good mindset to have. For anyone else who isn't aware, the CX and C1 (and the B/G variants) also have this near-black gamma shift. It appears to just be an issue with OLED display types, as my Samsung QN90a has full HDMI 2.1 VRR and doesn't show this issue. I don't think the CX and C1 will be any more future proof with regards to this issue either - my belief at this point is that a hardware revision will be necessary. I'm assuming that next year's lineup will be the first lineup where every phase of the design, validation, and manufacturing is done after LG became aware of this issue, which was mid-2020 when I had John Archer send them some videos I made showing how to replicate the issue. Hopefully at CES they announce this, but I'm not sure how much they want to broadcast this issue. It seems that they would have swept it under the rug if not for John Archer and his awesome work.

christofin

· Registered Joined Jul 5, 2020 · 263 Posts

Reeneman said: VRR is one of the hdmi 2.1 features. Like I already wrote this flashing occurs even on the newer models. This happens mostly when the framerate fluctuates heavily and way under 40-50 fps. Click to expand...

That's true, but there are also many games that just have uneven frame pacing, even at a high framerate. For example, Jedi Fallen Order will look like it's running near 120fps, but if every n frames, one frame is 100ms due to a shader compiling, asset streaming, etc, you'll see the flicker despite the framerate counter being consistently high. Just a heads up for anyone else. Better CPU and GPU hardware can counteract this to some extent, but you can't brute force software that inherently has bad framepacing.

AnderC9

· Registered Joined Feb 13, 2020 · 227 Posts

avernar said: 4K 120Hz with HGiG is only minimally different from DV. So DV really is over hyped. I have an Xbox Series X and really don't care for DV for gaming, especially since I'll lose RGB. Click to expand...

The thing that you don't care about it doesn't mean Lg has doing well; again: the main features to get me buyed this tv is the panel with 120Hz with "new" hdmi 2.1 standard, as you could see on the official page at specs tab you could see the support for VRR and also dolby vision (in the box too) so whats the point? the point is that: newer feature always have is problem at launch but if I buy a tv was presented with new "standard" I expect that "new" features is implemented as well especially if the newer panel after only one year have it. And above all: if I pay a TV 2000 euro (launch price) I do not expect a support of only two years as a low-end 200 euro android cellphone.

avernar

· Registered Joined Mar 6, 2008 · 6,157 Posts

AnderC9 said: the main features to get me buyed this tv is the panel with 120Hz with "new" hdmi 2.1 standard, as you could see on the official page at specs tab you could see the support for VRR and also dolby vision (in the box too) so whats the point? Click to expand...

Does it say anywhere that 120Hz and Dolby Vision can work at the same time? Nope.

AnderC9 said: the point is that: newer feature always have is problem at launch but if I buy a tv was presented with new "standard" I expect that "new" features is implemented as well especially if the newer panel after only one year have it. Click to expand...

Don't get me wrong. I'm the one here who thinks that the C9 can handle DV at 120Hz. But like FreeSync, they're choosing not to backport the feature. But none of the above changes that DV for gaming is overhyped.

KC-Technerd

· Registered Joined Jan 12, 2004 · 2,834 Posts

HiFi4Vision said: The next update does include the "Fine Tune Dark Areas" feature. I will probably share more details about the changes during the next week. Click to expand...

It will certainly be nice if that gives the control needed to correct the elevated reference black level that occurs in HDR and DV when a custom 1D LUT is used, but I fear that it may only adjust the luminance levels above true black. Of course I hope this also indicates that the shifting near black behavior that has existed with all of the 05.xx.xx firmwares is being addressed. I consider fine tuning the dark areas pretty much pointless if the near black behavior is at risk of changing after the fine tuning is done, or if the near black is being clipped. It will be wonderful if the update puts both of these issues to rest permanently.

AnderC9

· Registered Joined Feb 13, 2020 · 227 Posts

avernar said: Does it say anywhere that 120Hz and Dolby Vision can work at the same time? Nope. Click to expand...

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avernar

· Registered Joined Mar 6, 2008 · 6,157 Posts

AnderC9 said: sheldon-cooper.gif (500×213) (tenor.com) Click to expand...

I was being serious. Dolby Vision's max resolution and refresh rate has always been independent of what TVs could do in SDR/HDR10/HLG. It's in a separate Dolby specific section in the EDID. Dolby also dictates what the TV manufacturers could do. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was an additional licensing fee for DV 4K 120Hz that LG doesn't want to back pay on all sold C9s.

Reeneman

· Registered Joined Nov 14, 2021 · 185 Posts I really hope that they will be fixing the black crush issue on SDR sources with the new update. Together with the Black Level option for VRR I would be very happy with this, most likely, last larger feature update for the C9. 2,201 - 2,220 of 3,072 Posts 1 111 of 154

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