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11-12-2018 | 01:42 PM #1

zer0t Thread Starter Member Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 171 Likes: 11 2017 S550, 2017 C63S, 2019 Raptor Question about g65 vs g63 I’ve seen plenty of 16 very low mile G65s for under 150,000. That makes them similarly priced to 18’s new with discounts. Is the G65 worth getting over the G63? I realize there is .1 in 0-60 time which isn’t really important to me but the v12 TT seems like a lot of fun. Same issues as SL65 coil packs, etc? I will keep this in my building in NYC so it will be low use but weekend getaways, Giants tailgating and general SUV type hauling, dogs etc. thanks Reply Like zer0t View Public Profile Find More Posts by zer0t View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 03:29 PM #2 Sarlox's Avatar

Sarlox Senior Member Joined: May 2018 Posts: 380 Likes: 86 2014 ML63 2015 G550 2016 G550 & (2) 2019 G550s Too much power on the G65 for that model of Gwag, the thing will squirrel all over the road. Reply Like Sarlox View Public Profile Find More Posts by Sarlox View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 03:45 PM #3 ItalianJoe1's Avatar

ItalianJoe1 MBWorld Fanatic! Joined: May 2015 Posts: 4,037 Likes: 997 From: Miami, FL 2003 CL 600 I don't think so, the G65 drives well, it's not markedly faster than the 63, but being the only AWD application of the V12, it's pretty cool. The newer V12 has the new ignition system that doesn't suffer from the one piece coils and common failures like the old ones. Anything after 2012 should have the M279 V12. The 65 is way more rare than the 63, and has some cool interior touches and things that you don't see on non-v12 vehicles, makes it a little more special, but there's not really anything "basic" about a G63 either. Reply Like The following users liked this post: zer0t (11-12-2018) ItalianJoe1 View Public Profile Find More Posts by ItalianJoe1 View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 05:18 PM #4

zer0t Thread Starter Member Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 171 Likes: 11 2017 S550, 2017 C63S, 2019 Raptor I’m looking at 16 only the 18s are much more and most are still new. I’m seeing them with 4-20k miles and will opt for one of the lower mile ones if I go that direction. I still can’t figure out if I want the new one or not. I sat in it and it seemed really fantastic minus all the quirks, that I think I really like. Reply Like zer0t View Public Profile Find More Posts by zer0t View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 05:46 PM #5

JetRanger Senior Member Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 412 Likes: 94 2023 G550 If you can possibly afford to spring for a 2019 G63, it has a 0-60 time of 4.1 seconds, per MotorTrend magazine's real world actual tests. The Mercedes advertised spec on the 2019 G63 is 4.4 seconds. Either way, the G65 is 5.2 seconds. That's a huge performance delta, and the 2019 will give you oh, so much better of a ride. Then there is its all new, 100% completely clean sheet redesigned and modernized steering system. Keeps you nice and tight in the curves, juxtaposed to wandering all over the road with pre-2019 G63's. Those 12 cylinders in the G65 would be cool, but the 2019 G63 is just an entirely different animal, guaranteed to plant a big huge wide smile on your face!

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11-12-2018 | 06:28 PM #6

zer0t Thread Starter Member Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 171 Likes: 11 2017 S550, 2017 C63S, 2019 Raptor Quote: Originally Posted by JetRanger If you can possibly afford to spring for a 2019 G63, it has a 0-60 time of 4.1 seconds, per MotorTrend magazine's real world actual tests. The Mercedes advertised spec on the 2019 G63 is 4.4 seconds. Either way, the G65 is 5.2 seconds. That's a huge performance delta, and the 2019 will give you oh, so much better of a ride. Then there is its all new, 100% completely clean sheet redesigned and modernized steering system. Keeps you nice and tight in the curves, juxtaposed to wandering all over the road with pre-2019 G63's. Those 12 cylinders in the G65 would be cool, but the 2019 G63 is just an entirely different animal, guaranteed to plant a big huge wide smile on your face!

I was told 2019 G63s are all sold and taking orders on 2020 cars at this point. I could be wrong. I like the v12 but I am oh so confused on what to buy. I don't need anything right this second but the bug has been planted. Reply Like zer0t View Public Profile Find More Posts by zer0t View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 06:35 PM #7

JetRanger Senior Member Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 412 Likes: 94 2023 G550 So much the better if you spring for a 2020 G63. This way, you may have at least a shot at scoring the ultra cool MBUX, with touch screens, like the 2019 GLE has!

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11-12-2018 | 07:03 PM #8 places's Avatar

places MBWorld Fanatic! Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 3,315 Likes: 1,498 From: Washington DC No more MB:( Quote: Originally Posted by zer0t I was told 2019 G63s are all sold and taking orders on 2020 cars at this point. I could be wrong. I like the v12 but I am oh so confused on what to buy. I don't need anything right this second but the bug has been planted. I picked up a 2018 63, got a good deal and love it. I figure I can drive it for a couple years and once the commotion over the new generation subsides I can always pick one up if I want. No need to go and order one now and wait (with my personality I'll go crazy waiting). Also, a 12 cylinder is special, I've never owned one but always wanted to. Especially if they go away and stop making them. 65's may become collectibles. I'd get the 65 and not look back, get it out of your system. There will be ample opportunities in the future for the new 63's. Either way it's a great problem to have! Reply Like places View Public Profile Find More Posts by places View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 07:54 PM #9 dunderhi's Avatar

dunderhi Super Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 535 Likes: 216 19 X3, 24 Tacoma Trailhunter, 25 CLE53 Quote: Originally Posted by JetRanger If you can possibly afford to spring for a 2019 G63, it has a 0-60 time of 4.1 seconds, per MotorTrend magazine's real world actual tests. The Mercedes advertised spec on the 2019 G63 is 4.4 seconds. Either way, the G65 is 5.2 seconds. That's a huge performance delta, and the 2019 will give you oh, so much better of a ride. Then there is its all new, 100% completely clean sheet redesigned and modernized steering system. Keeps you nice and tight in the curves, juxtaposed to wandering all over the road with pre-2019 G63's. Those 12 cylinders in the G65 would be cool, but the 2019 G63 is just an entirely different animal, guaranteed to plant a big huge wide smile on your face!

MT has the ‘19 G550 at 5.4 seconds - not too far off from the G65. Of course, as argued previously, the G in any form isn’t really a 0-60 car. Reply Like dunderhi View Public Profile Find More Posts by dunderhi View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 09:12 PM #10

drew138 Super Member Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 850 Likes: 136 993 TT My original plan was to get get the last gen 2018 G65 and keep it. Drove a 17 G65 and surprisingly didn't like the ride; and the G63 sounded more aggressive in my opinion so I changed that plan. It's been interesting to watch the price drop on G65s and will be curious over time how that market changes. I think long term it hurts G63 prices slightly. But there wont be too many trading hands. I'm now on the wait list for 2019 G63 and expect delivery. Having slight second thoughts about just waiting a year to get the MBUX. I still love my G55 and not a day goes by that it doesn't bring a smile to me (and others!). So the one thing I can say here is that if you really want a G Wagen then you should just get one. They are all pretty special. Reply Like drew138 View Public Profile Find More Posts by drew138 View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 10:58 PM #11

JetRanger Senior Member Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 412 Likes: 94 2023 G550 It’s hard to believe that it’s even a question as to whether or not a well equipped $200,000 2020 G63 may, or may not, have MBUX and touch screens, juxtaposed to its 15 year old, now so long in the tooth ancient COMAND system. The one thing that 100% of the time earns the ire of all car reviewers is the mess of the COMAND system. How the heck klugie and clumsy is it trying to slog one’s way through your iPhone Xs Max playlists connected to the G63’s infotainment system, trying to Rube Goldberg yourself way through without a touch screen? Must be like using DOS with an IBM keyboard!😀 Especially frustrating when you figure the new VW priced, ultra low end, dirt cheap A-class has MBUX with its standard dual 12.3 inch touch screens. Come on, Mercedes, let’s see MBUX in our 2020 G’s! Reply Like JetRanger View Public Profile Find More Posts by JetRanger View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 11:34 PM #12 dunderhi's Avatar

dunderhi Super Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 535 Likes: 216 19 X3, 24 Tacoma Trailhunter, 25 CLE53 Quote: Originally Posted by JetRanger It’s hard to believe that it’s even a question as to whether or not a well equipped $200,000 2020 G63 may, or may not, have MBUX and touch screens, juxtaposed to its 15 year old, now so long in the tooth ancient COMAND system. The one thing that 100% of the time earns the ire of all car reviewers is the mess of the COMAND system. How the heck klugie and clumsy is it trying to slog one’s way through your iPhone Xs Max playlists connected to the G63’s infotainment system, trying to Rube Goldberg yourself way through without a touch screen? Must be like using DOS with an IBM keyboard!�� Especially frustrating when you figure the new VW priced, ultra low end, dirt cheap A-class has MBUX with its standard dual 12.3 inch touch screens. Come on, Mercedes, let’s see MBUX in our 2020 G’s! The ‘19 Sprinter is also getting MBUX. Also, our Command system appears to be decontented - I don’t have the option of permanently disabling Lane Keeping Assistant as I could in other models. P.S. The A Class get dual 10.25” screens. It’s a smaller interior.

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11-12-2018 | 11:36 PM #13

FR93 Newbie Joined: Nov 2018 Posts: 7 Likes: 0 2016 G 550 What are the chances the 2020 has the MBUX and touch screens? Its holding me back from taking delivery of the 2019 if a change like that is coming. Reply Like FR93 View Public Profile Find More Posts by FR93 View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 11:44 PM #14 dunderhi's Avatar

dunderhi Super Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 535 Likes: 216 19 X3, 24 Tacoma Trailhunter, 25 CLE53 Quote: Originally Posted by FR93 What are the chances the 2020 has the MBUX and touch screens? Its holding me back from taking delivery of the 2019 if a change like that is coming. I guess the question in my mind is why would MB put Command in the ‘19. If one knows the answer to this mystery, it would be clear when the G will get MBUX. My money is on 2023, since I don’t see a reason for them to upgrade/refresh a brand new model. Okay, here’s a potential clue: https://www.motor1.com/news/237783/c...-infotainment/ Which means 2023 might be optimistic. Last edited by dunderhi; 11-12-2018 at 11:49 PM. Reply Like The following users liked this post: FR93 (11-13-2018) dunderhi View Public Profile Find More Posts by dunderhi View iTrader Profile Old

11-12-2018 | 11:55 PM #15

JetRanger Senior Member Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 412 Likes: 94 2023 G550 No one knows when MBUX will be introduced in the G-wagons, other than deep in the bowells of Mercedes, of course. No one can say with any certainty that MBUX will, or will not, be available next year, nor can they say it will “probably” be 2 or 3 or 5 years out, since none of us can possibly know. Perhaps the G gets MBUX sooner than other Mercs, given its high base msrp. Who the heck knows?! For my part, my G63 order will possibly get pushed out to a MY2020 G63, as I ordered it less than 3 weeks ago. So, I’m hoping MBUX may possibly be available in MY2020 G’s. But, I’m fully prepared to be perfectly happy with a 2019 or 2020 G63, even if this means having the COMAND system. No big deal, as I will be very happy to take delivery of The Beast, whenever she arrives at my dealer!😁 Last edited by JetRanger; 11-13-2018 at 12:01 AM. Reply Like The following users liked this post: FR93 (11-13-2018) JetRanger View Public Profile Find More Posts by JetRanger View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 12:01 AM #16

FR93 Newbie Joined: Nov 2018 Posts: 7 Likes: 0 2016 G 550 Quote: Originally Posted by JetRanger No one knows when MBUX will be introduced in the G-wagons, other than deep in the bowells of Mercedes, of course. No one can say with any certainty that MBUX will, or will not, be available next year, nor can they say it will “probably” be 2 or 3 or 5 years out, since none of us can possibly know. Perhaps the G gets MBUX sooner than other Mercs, given its high base msrp. Who the heck knows?! For my part, my G63 order will possibly get pushed out to a MY2020 G63, as I ordered it less than 3 weeks ago. So, I’m hoping MBUX may possibly be available in MY2020 G’s. But, I’m fully prepared to be perfectly happy with a 2019 or 2020 G63, even if this means having the COMAND system. No big deal, as I will be very happy to take delivery of The Beast, whenever she arrives at my dealer!😁 Any idea on when the cut off is for MB to push it to a 2020 build instead of a 2019? Reply Like FR93 View Public Profile Find More Posts by FR93 View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 12:12 AM #17

JetRanger Senior Member Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 412 Likes: 94 2023 G550 I have no idea when the MY2019 G63 cutoff is, nor do I even know if all MY2019 production is spoken for, or what happens to existing 2019 orders. Who knows if at some point one gets a phone call from your dealer informing you that you have missed a production slot for MY2019, and if so, do you have to immediately run down and write up a new order for MY2020? Who knows, but I’m confident my dealer will guide me through whatever process will be pertinent. For sure, a good deal of patience is in order here!😀 Last edited by JetRanger; 11-13-2018 at 12:31 AM. Reply Like JetRanger View Public Profile Find More Posts by JetRanger View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 12:14 AM #18 dunderhi's Avatar

dunderhi Super Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 535 Likes: 216 19 X3, 24 Tacoma Trailhunter, 25 CLE53 A little more research yields that the ‘19 G Class shares it’s electrical architecture with the E Class. Based on the Motor1 article, MBUX is incompatible. Reply Like dunderhi View Public Profile Find More Posts by dunderhi View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 12:22 AM #19 dunderhi's Avatar

dunderhi Super Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 535 Likes: 216 19 X3, 24 Tacoma Trailhunter, 25 CLE53 Also, read that the average age of the A Class buyer is 13 years younger than the average MB buyer, so that’s why MBUX is being released in that model first. I have no idea of the average age of the G Class buyer. More on the dual screens: Dual 7” screens are standard and dual 10.25” screens are an upgrade. Not sure if this applies to the US or the ROW. Last edited by dunderhi; 11-13-2018 at 12:24 AM. Reply Like dunderhi View Public Profile Find More Posts by dunderhi View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 12:40 AM #20

JetRanger Senior Member Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 412 Likes: 94 2023 G550 I suppose it’s entirely possible that Mercedes decided to launch MBUX in the A-class first because of its young demographics, but unless Mercedes overtly made public this particular strategy, how can anyone know this as a fact, versus speculation? We’ll know when MBUX gets rolled out in the G when it actually happens, or shortly beforehand when the automobile magazine folks do their reviews, or when we see it unveiled in the G at the big major auto shows. Last edited by JetRanger; 11-13-2018 at 12:42 AM. Reply Like JetRanger View Public Profile Find More Posts by JetRanger View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 09:06 AM #21 dunderhi's Avatar

dunderhi Super Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 535 Likes: 216 19 X3, 24 Tacoma Trailhunter, 25 CLE53 Quote: Originally Posted by JetRanger I suppose it’s entirely possible that Mercedes decided to launch MBUX in the A-class first because of its young demographics, but unless Mercedes overtly made public this particular strategy, how can anyone know this as a fact, versus speculation? We’ll know when MBUX gets rolled out in the G when it actually happens, or shortly beforehand when the automobile magazine folks do their reviews, or when we see it unveiled in the G at the big major auto shows. Mercedes is being pretty overt:http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...gy-millennials "Typically, you would launch a new feature in a higher-level car," Glaser said. "But, we decided to bring this feature in our A class because we want to attract younger and more tech-savvy buyers." Reply Like dunderhi View Public Profile Find More Posts by dunderhi View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 10:54 AM #22

twist-a-grip Member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 150 Likes: 12 Back on topic. The G63 motor is better than the G65 - sounds better and I think it's more playful/flexible/drivable. I'd suspect the .1 faster 0-60 time is MB's number to say the $80k more expensive car is faster, but having driven both, I'm not buying it. But who buys a G for 0-60?? The G65 has a few more fancy things, but nothing special - I can think of the nice aluminum front skid plate and nicer standard wheels and designo interior, but not much else. On the other hand, I rarely see a G65 and if I didn't drive it everyday like in the OP's situation, it might be cooler to have and will likely hold value a tad better than a G63. I almost bought one for a vacation home, but couldn't justify a $150k car sitting in a garage 2000 miles away. I would not have a G65 over a G63 for one of my DDs. Reply Like twist-a-grip View Public Profile Find More Posts by twist-a-grip View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 12:16 PM #23

JetRanger Senior Member Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 412 Likes: 94 2023 G550 Honestly, and unfortunately, many ppl (thankfully, not all) buy the G63 over the g550 for that illusive “The Kardashian Factor” (e.g., that AMG G63 badging announces a richie-richie has arrived on scene.) g550, not so much. So sad. 😕 For my part, I opted for the G63 for many practical reasons, like its 4.1 sec vs/ 5.9 sec 0-60 time, way faster performance in the curves with Sport+ tight mode vs/ g550, the AMG high speed shifting and more heavy duty tranny (vs/ g550 tranny), the larger brakes, with all 4 rotors drilled, those gorgeous red AMG calipers, the super tight Sport+ mode, being able to unbottle those awesome side pipes, and the progressive steering (unlike the g550), the huge 22 inch gangsta rims, and too many other factors to squish into a post. Then again, each person has their own personal very valid reasons, not to mention their personal financial ability factor, for choosing any vehicle over another, so JM2C, IMHO, and YMMV!😁 Reply Like JetRanger View Public Profile Find More Posts by JetRanger View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 12:47 PM #24

Chedman13 Super Member Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 934 Likes: 112 From: Illinois 2014 Mercedes-Benz GL63 AMG My thoughts are if you are even thinking of a G65 - get it. The V12 most likely is going away and will be reserved for the Maybach line-up. There is something special about a V12 and how it drives vs. a V8. Power is just linear and smooth. The M157 engine in the G63 is amazing. Buy a ECU tune and you have anywhere from 600-700 hp and 700-800 torque, depending on the tuner and their "number" that they publish. The V12 exhaust sounds different, more muted - it's much heavier front end and feels it. I'd rather have a sub 50,000 mile (to be eligible for ELW) 2016 G65 for $150k vs a brand new 2018 G63 for $150k (though you should be able to get $10-15k off according to others on this forum), but that's just me. They look the same, but it'd be more for me knowing there is a V12 under the hood. I'd buy the ELW (extended limited warranty) and pre-paid maintenance, then just drive and enjoy it. Quote: Originally Posted by zer0t I’ve seen plenty of 16 very low mile G65s for under 150,000. That makes them similarly priced to 18’s new with discounts. Is the G65 worth getting over the G63? I realize there is .1 in 0-60 time which isn’t really important to me but the v12 TT seems like a lot of fun. Same issues as SL65 coil packs, etc? I will keep this in my building in NYC so it will be low use but weekend getaways, Giants tailgating and general SUV type hauling, dogs etc. thanks Reply Like Chedman13 View Public Profile Find More Posts by Chedman13 View iTrader Profile Old

11-13-2018 | 12:49 PM #25 dunderhi's Avatar

dunderhi Super Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 535 Likes: 216 19 X3, 24 Tacoma Trailhunter, 25 CLE53 Quote: Originally Posted by JetRanger Honestly, and unfortunately, many ppl (thankfully, not all) buy the G63 over the g550 for that illusive “The Kardashian Factor” (e.g., that AMG G63 badging announces a richie-richie has arrived on scene.) g550, not so much. So sad. 😕 For my part, I opted for the G63 for many practical reasons, like its 4.1 sec vs/ 5.9 sec 0-60 time, way faster performance in the curves with Sport+ tight mode vs/ g550, the AMG high speed shifting and more heavy duty tranny (vs/ g550 tranny), the larger brakes, with all 4 rotors drilled, those gorgeous red AMG calipers, the super tight Sport+ mode, being able to unbottle those awesome side pipes, and the progressive steering (unlike the g550), the huge 22 inch gangsta rims, and too many other factors to squish into a post. Then again, each person has their own personal very valid reasons, not to mention their personal financial ability factor, for choosing any vehicle over another, so JM2C, IMHO, and YMMV!😁 Correction: 4.1 vs 5.4 seconds. My thinking is the quite the opposite. Basically the same engine and transmission, but in the 550 there are less stressed. No desire for gangsta anything, but a strong desire for a vehicle that can go anywhere where at anytime. As far as the 65 vs the 63, don’t forget the buttery smoothness of a V12. V8’s always feel rough in comparison. Reply Like The following users liked this post: Sarlox (11-14-2018) dunderhi View Public Profile Find More Posts by dunderhi View iTrader Profile Thread Tools