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ssal

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Aug 20, 2020 72 6 1,545 ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1060 DirectX 12 ZT-P10620A-10M 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5X PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card I currently have the GTX 1060 in my system (AMD Ryzen 7-3800x, 32 gb DDR4). It is the weakest part of my built but it gets by for video editing (Premiere Pro CC). I am trying to get into MS Flight Simultor 2020. The general consensus is that the 1060 can marginally pass the requirement. But some of the gamers commented that I will not be able to see high resolution detail of some of more densely populated landscape (flying thru some cities) and be losing the immersion feel. I am looking to upgrade my GPU. I have found that the RTX 3060 ti with 8GB vRam has a performance of approx 4-5x benchmark than the GTX 1060. I am looking for advice on this subject:
  1. I have a 600W PSU and it seems to be able to handle the upgrade. The RTX seems not needing a power plugged from the PSU, right?
  2. There seems to be a wide variation of RTX 3060 ti out there ranging from $400 to $500+. It seems that the higher price item has overclocked speed. Does it matter which one I get?
  3. What else you will look for in a GPU that would provide some future proof?
Thanks. Last edited: Dec 25, 2020 Solution Well, let me put it this way. You have a car made in the 1930s that can go with 150km/h and a car made in the 2010s that can also achieve 150km/h. Which one would you trust to drive at that speed? Some PSU manufacturers DO lie about the output especially in older models that they were including the output of all rails (3v, 5v and 12v) when normally you only care about the 12v rail as that is the one that powers every hardware that matters. It's been more than 10 years (I think) that manufacturers rate a PSU on their 12v rail, leaving every other rails outside of that rating. Protections is another very important issue of a PSU. There are some PSUs that although they can output a certain wattage easily, lack protections, making it... Sort by date Sort by votes iq7

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Dec 18, 2020 80 1 45 NO .. better to use 650w PSU .. but before u upgrade check if the new GPU that u want, compatible with the old component of your pc. do you have PCIe x16 on your mobo? do you have PSU with 8 or 6 pin PEG connector? also check your ram speeds, timing, etc. run memtest to see if the memory timings are ok . this is important to see, did u should get a new ram or not if u upgrade your GPU. Upvote 0 Downvote dotas1

dotas1

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Dec 5, 2015 3,156 513 24,540 What resolution are you going to play at? What is the exact make and model of the PSU? Wattage alone is not a way of saying if a psu is qualified to support a certain GPU. As for what you said, 1)No, it does need power from the PSU 2)The overclocked cards have minor performance edge which can be easily matched with a lower prices card when OCd a little or with good cooling. The differences are cooling solutions, power delivery, aesthetics and sometimes the brand name that you pay more for. 3)Depends highly on what resolution you are playing now, at what refresh rateband if you will upgrade the monitor in the near future.
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ssal

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Aug 20, 2020 72 6 1,545
iq7 said: NO .. better to use 650w PSU .. but before u upgrade check if the new GPU that u want, compatible with the old component of your pc. do you have PCIe x16 on your mobo? do you have PSU with 8 or 6 pin PEG connector? also check your ram speeds, timing, etc. run memtest to see if the memory timings are ok . this is important to see, did u should get a new ram or not if u upgrade your GPU. Click to expand...
Why would a 50w more than I have be that much better? PCPartPicker indicates the power usage will be 459 watts with the RTX 3060 ti. I am pretty sure the current GTX 1060 uses PCLex16 and the 6+2 connector. Actually, one of my questions was that the 3060ti seems not needing that additional power. My DDR4 are 3200. Upvote 0 Downvote S

ssal

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Aug 20, 2020 72 6 1,545
dotas1 said: What resolution are you going to play at? What is the exact make and model of the PSU? Wattage alone is not a way of saying if a psu is qualified to support a certain GPU. As for what you said, 1)No, it does need power from the PSU 2)The overclocked cards have minor performance edge which can be easily matched with a lower prices card when OCd a little or with good cooling. The differences are cooling solutions, power delivery, aesthetics and sometimes the brand name that you pay more for. 3)Depends highly on what resolution you are playing now, at what refresh rateband if you will upgrade the monitor in the near future. Click to expand...
I have a 1920x1080 monitor and don't have any plan to upgrade to 4K. I am new to gaming and don't know what kind of refresh rate for MS FS 2020. I am thinking about the Gigabyte Eagle RTX 3060ti. B&H lists it for $400, but it's out of stock now. BTW, how do you get your equipment list (your computer) as signature? I think it will save a lot time when I post question and other would want to know my current equipment list to provide a good answer. Upvote 0 Downvote S

sizzling

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Oct 18, 2006 27,218 3,268 112,240 600w if decent quality is plenty. However you haven't told us the make and model of the psu, wattage alone is fairly meaningless. Upvote 0 Downvote Prad_Bitt

Prad_Bitt

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Jul 4, 2020 1,098 244 6,640
ssal said: Why would a 50w more than I have be that much better? PCPartPicker indicates the power usage will be 459 watts with the RTX 3060 ti. I am pretty sure the current GTX 1060 uses PCLex16 and the 6+2 connector. Actually, one of my questions was that the 3060ti seems not needing that additional power. My DDR4 are 3200. Click to expand...
What model is your PSU? If it's an old Corsair CX600 then I would never use that at all let alone with a 3060 Ti. If it's a good quality unit then you're fine running a 3060 Ti on it. 600W is enough as long as you don't run some crazy oc on cpu or gpu. Upvote 0 Downvote Prad_Bitt

Prad_Bitt

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Jul 4, 2020 1,098 244 6,640
ssal said: I have a 1920x1080 monitor and don't have any plan to upgrade to 4K. I am new to gaming and don't know what kind of refresh rate for MS FS 2020. I am thinking about the Gigabyte Eagle RTX 3060ti. B&H lists it for $400, but it's out of stock now. BTW, how do you get your equipment list (your computer) as signature? I think it will save a lot time when I post question and other would want to know my current equipment list to provide a good answer. Click to expand...
Just click on your profile on top right and click on signature and type it in lol Upvote 0 Downvote iq7

iq7

Dec 18, 2020 80 1 45
ssal said: Why would a 50w more than I have be that much better? PCPartPicker indicates the power usage will be 459 watts with the RTX 3060 ti. I am pretty sure the current GTX 1060 uses PCLex16 and the 6+2 connector. Actually, one of my questions was that the 3060ti seems not needing that additional power. My DDR4 are 3200. Click to expand...
As prad_Bitt said 600W is enough as long as you don't run some crazy oc on cpu or gpu , but if you plan to OC your pc with the new gpu , go with 650w .. Upvote 0 Downvote S

ssal

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Aug 20, 2020 72 6 1,545
Prad_Bitt said: What model is your PSU? If it's an old Corsair CX600 then I would never use that at all let alone with a 3060 Ti. If it's a good quality unit then you're fine running a 3060 Ti on it. 600W is enough as long as you don't run some crazy oc on cpu or gpu. Click to expand...
EVGA - 600W ATX 12V/EPS 12V 80 Plus Power Supply - Black
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dotas1

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Dec 5, 2015 3,156 513 24,540
ssal said:
EVGA - 600W ATX 12V/EPS 12V 80 Plus Power Supply - Black
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That answers the make (EVGA), the wattage (600w) and the efficiency (80 Plus). It says nothing about the model which is CRUCIAL to know. EVGA makes many 600W units, some good some bad. Upvote 0 Downvote S

ssal

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Aug 20, 2020 72 6 1,545
dotas1 said: That answers the make (EVGA), the wattage (600w) and the efficiency (80 Plus). It says nothing about the model which is CRUCIAL to know. EVGA makes many 600W units, some good some bad. Click to expand...
Got it from BestBuy last year for $60. I am pretty sure it was not the top of the line. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-w...us-power-supply-black/8511029.p?skuId=8511029 Why would that matter anyway? When a product is rated for 600W and my total power requirement, according to PCPARTPICKER is 489watt, that should be pretty sufficient, shouldn't it? Upvote 0 Downvote dotas1

dotas1

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Dec 5, 2015 3,156 513 24,540 Well, let me put it this way. You have a car made in the 1930s that can go with 150km/h and a car made in the 2010s that can also achieve 150km/h. Which one would you trust to drive at that speed? Some PSU manufacturers DO lie about the output especially in older models that they were including the output of all rails (3v, 5v and 12v) when normally you only care about the 12v rail as that is the one that powers every hardware that matters. It's been more than 10 years (I think) that manufacturers rate a PSU on their 12v rail, leaving every other rails outside of that rating. Protections is another very important issue of a PSU. There are some PSUs that although they can output a certain wattage easily, lack protections, making it risky for a system to have them when let's say, there is a problem in the power grid and there are power surges. They can also protect from ripples and "dirty power" in general. Quality of components inside the PSU is also another big thing. Most modern GPUs have huge power spikes which only a good PSU can handle. There are many things to consider when buying a PSU, not just wattage or efficiency rating. The quality is the most important thing. To quote a fellow well known member:
geofelt said: A cheap PSU will be made of substandard components. It will not have safety and overload protections. If it fails under load, it can destroy anything it is connected to. It will deliver advertised power only at room temperatures, not at higher temperatures found when installed in a case. The wattage will be delivered on the 3 and 5v rails, not on the 12v rails where modern parts like the CPU and Graphics cards need it. What power is delivered may fluctuate and cause instability issues that are hard to diagnose. The fan will need to spin up higher to cool it, making it noisy. A cheap PSU can become very expensive. Do not buy one. Click to expand...
Your PSU for example is a bad one. Yes, it can output 588W at the 12v rail (49 amps) but it lacks many protections and has bad components. Use this tier list as a guide : https://linustechtips.com/topic/111...tnxKLbcCLCcdLvwILxl4I23C79nOSQRHnLlnKQV2gbgRu Yours is Tier D. I would suggest buying a tier B and above.
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Dec 18, 2020 80 1 45
ssal said: Got it from BestBuy last year for $60. I am pretty sure it was not the top of the line. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-w...us-power-supply-black/8511029.p?skuId=8511029 Why would that matter anyway? When a product is rated for 600W and my total power requirement, according to PCPARTPICKER is 489watt, that should be pretty sufficient, shouldn't it? Click to expand...
as dotas1 said : Quality of components inside the PSU is also another big thing. Most modern GPUs have huge power spikes which only a good PSU can handle. You can find and compare another 600w PSU to your own .. the quality is number one but before that, did you really know what 80 Plus mean? Last edited: Dec 24, 2020 Upvote 0 Downvote S

ssal

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Aug 20, 2020 72 6 1,545
iq7 said: did you really know what 80 Plus mean? Click to expand...
I have no idea! Upvote 0 Downvote S

ssal

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Aug 20, 2020 72 6 1,545 Is there any apps or programs that monitor PSU performance? Upvote 0 Downvote Prad_Bitt

Prad_Bitt

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Jul 4, 2020 1,098 244 6,640
ssal said: I have no idea! Click to expand...
Efficiency rating. Draws 1000W from the wall, can supply 80% of that ie 800W. Something like that. You buy a good psu because othwersie you're gonna hwve stuff like coil whine, not enough power on the 12V etc. I had a CX650M with R5 3600, 2070S. Huge coil whine. Got a replacement. Still huge coil whine. Got an RM650. Completely quiet Upvote 0 Downvote Prad_Bitt

Prad_Bitt

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Jul 4, 2020 1,098 244 6,640
dotas1 said: Well, let me put it this way. You have a car made in the 1930s that can go with 150km/h and a car made in the 2010s that can also achieve 150km/h. Which one would you trust to drive at that speed? Some PSU manufacturers DO lie about the output especially in older models that they were including the output of all rails (3v, 5v and 12v) when normally you only care about the 12v rail as that is the one that powers every hardware that matters. It's been more than 10 years (I think) that manufacturers rate a PSU on their 12v rail, leaving every other rails outside of that rating. Protections is another very important issue of a PSU. There are some PSUs that although they can output a certain wattage easily, lack protections, making it risky for a system to have them when let's say, there is a problem in the power grid and there are power surges. They can also protect from ripples and "dirty power" in general. Quality of components inside the PSU is also another big thing. Most modern GPUs have huge power spikes which only a good PSU can handle. There are many things to consider when buying a PSU, not just wattage or efficiency rating. The quality is the most important thing. To quote a fellow well known member: Your PSU for example is a bad one. Yes, it can output 588W at the 12v rail (49 amps) but it lacks many protections and has bad components. Use this tier list as a guide : https://linustechtips.com/topic/111...tnxKLbcCLCcdLvwILxl4I23C79nOSQRHnLlnKQV2gbgRu Yours is Tier D. I would suggest buying a tier B and above. Click to expand...
I agree with this. Tier B or above should be the criteria. I'd suggest Tier A, like I bought, but B is good enough if you're low on cash Upvote 0 Downvote You must log in or register to reply here. Share: Facebook X Bluesky LinkedIn Reddit Tumblr WhatsApp Email Share Link

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