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| 08-27-2021, 01:37 PM | #1 |
will0621 First Lieutenant  482Rep 364Posts Drives: 21 M5c, 20 X3MC, 20 X5 40i Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: PA iTrader: (5) | Stock F90 LCI Vs C7 Z06 |
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| 08-27-2021, 02:04 PM | #2 |
| TrevorM3 Banned 3327Rep 8,083Posts Drives: 6.3 AMG Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (0) | lol. this is a joke. Maybe the person should do a 40 roll and learn to shift at the optimal time to get the right results. I guarantee an auto C7Z will ragdoll an f90 from a 40. |
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| 08-27-2021, 06:08 PM | #3 |
| brad65ford Captain 287Rep 803Posts Drives: 2022 M3 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: fl iTrader: (0) | Actually just go rid of a stock C7 Z06 and did dragy runs stock and tuned just prior getting the M5 comp. They surprisingly are similar in 60-130 times stock, just tuned only the m5 would win. The Z06 gets heat soaked pretty bad worse than the M5 does. |
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| 08-27-2021, 07:14 PM | #4 |
edwarjejeega Second Lieutenant   421Rep 280Posts Drives: '19 M850i, '18 X6M, '16 M4 Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Mi iTrader: (0) | Same Z06 |
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| 08-27-2021, 07:16 PM | #5 |
| edwarjejeega Second Lieutenant 421Rep 280Posts Drives: '19 M850i, '18 X6M, '16 M4 Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Mi iTrader: (0) | Quote: Originally Posted by brad65ford  Actually just go rid of a stock C7 Z06 and did dragy runs stock and tuned just prior getting the M5 comp. They surprisingly are similar in 60-130 times stock, just tuned only the m5 would win. The Z06 gets heat soaked pretty bad worse than the M5 does. | Was your Z06 an A8 or 7 speed? Stage 1 aero? What were the 60-130 times. Curious because some apparently do 7.6 and I see some do mid 8's. I know a lot goes into it, but there is usually a middle ground in between the specs (trans/aero package) |
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| 08-27-2021, 11:19 PM | #6 |
| TrevorM3 Banned 3327Rep 8,083Posts Drives: 6.3 AMG Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (0) | ah, yes, here is the video.  Me with my old C7Z (Auto) 1.5 years ago, against a roughly 730hp M5. And this person is on the boards here as well, and has the gopro footage. He has tune, dp, filters, and fuel. Notice the 40 roll torque hit, m5 has no chance. To be clear, he did win this race, but a stock f90 isn't beating an auto Z (based on a race in Guadalajara 40-130) And i even screwed up shifting too early in this video as well. |
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| 08-28-2021, 01:54 PM | #7 |
| will0621 First Lieutenant 482Rep 364Posts Drives: 21 M5c, 20 X3MC, 20 X5 40i Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: PA iTrader: (5) | another LCI vs a Redeye, bmw definitely updating something in the new model years (I know the transmission tuning was tweaked) as I don’t think the previous year M5Cs were keeping up with these types of cars |
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| 08-28-2021, 02:14 PM | #8 |
| brad65ford Captain 287Rep 803Posts Drives: 2022 M3 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: fl iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by edwarjejeega Was your Z06 an A8 or 7 speed? Stage 1 aero? What were the 60-130 times. Curious because some apparently do 7.6 and I see some do mid 8's. I know a lot goes into it, but there is usually a middle ground in between the specs (trans/aero package) | Yes aero and mostly weather, the c7 z06 are very dependent on good weather because of that heat soaked blower they used. inter cooler bricks are tiny. A lot of the videos on youtube showing hero runs are neg da and cold temps. Kind of cheating but it gets you good numbers. Both my z06 and m5 were virgins and well kept, and I believe the numbers are pretty fair between the two as well as actually as can be in all fairness. 2016 C7 Z06 Auto w/ z07 package, I removed the aero since it definitely slowed it down upstairs big time. Did a good bit of dragy's with her since I wasn't sure if I was going to keep and modify. Was pissed you have to upgraded the tinny ass blower they used. IMO it wasn't worth it for what you get. Here are some comparisons. 2016 Z06 7k miles bone stock. (all done with 79 degree/1650da) Stock = 11.79@125.39 / 60-130 = 8.90 Tuned/logged and revised on stock hardware (same weather conditions) 11.32@127.73 / 60-130 = 8.08 2019 M5 comp (all done with 81 degrees/1734 da, all same exact road as well) stock = 10.98/126.62 / 60-130= 8.43 stage 1 BM3 93 tune = 10.68@ 129.72 / 60-130 = 7.87 BTW I believe this video shows it pretty well with mods between them, with a health f90 m5 and with a good tune their are pretty damn impressive. The C7 Z06 never impressed me for what it should be. Last edited by brad65ford; 08-28-2021 at 02:28 PM.. |
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| 08-28-2021, 02:18 PM | #9 |
| brad65ford Captain 287Rep 803Posts Drives: 2022 M3 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: fl iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by TrevorM3 ah, yes, here is the video. Me with my old C7Z (Auto) 1.5 years ago, against a roughly 730hp M5. And this person is on the boards here as well, and has the gopro footage. He has tune, dp, filters, and fuel. Notice the 40 roll torque hit, m5 has no chance. To be clear, he did win this race, but a stock f90 isn't beating an auto Z (based on a race in Guadalajara 40-130) And i even screwed up shifting too early in this video as well. | Your video,details expressing the race and cars differences is confusing lol. I can't tell if yours saying the M5 won regardless you think the z06 is faster? |
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| 08-28-2021, 03:00 PM | #10 |
| edwarjejeega Second Lieutenant 421Rep 280Posts Drives: '19 M850i, '18 X6M, '16 M4 Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Mi iTrader: (0) | Quote: Originally Posted by brad65ford Quote: | Originally Posted by edwarjejeega Was your Z06 an A8 or 7 speed? Stage 1 aero? What were the 60-130 times. Curious because some apparently do 7.6 and I see some do mid 8's. I know a lot goes into it, but there is usually a middle ground in between the specs (trans/aero package) | Yes aero and mostly weather, the c7 z06 are very dependent on good weather because of that heat soaked blower they used. inter cooler bricks are tiny. A lot of the videos on youtube showing hero runs are neg da and cold temps. Kind of cheating but it gets you good numbers. Both my z06 and m5 were virgins and well kept, and I believe the numbers are pretty fair between the two as well as actually as can be in all fairness. 2016 C7 Z06 Auto w/ z07 package, I removed the aero since it definitely slowed it down upstairs big time. Did a good bit of dragy's with her since I wasn't sure if I was going to keep and modify. Was pissed you have to upgraded the tinny ass blower they used. IMO it wasn't worth it for what you get. Here are some comparisons. 2016 Z06 7k miles bone stock. (all done with 79 degree/1650da) Stock = 11.79@125.39 / 60-130 = 8.90 Tuned/logged and revised on stock hardware (same weather conditions) 11.32@127.73 / 60-130 = 8.08 2019 M5 comp (all done with 81 degrees/1734 da, all same exact road as well) stock = 10.98/126.62 / 60-130= 8.43 stage 1 BM3 93 tune = 10.68@ 129.72 / 60-130 = 7.87 BTW I believe this video shows it pretty well with mods between them, with a health f90 m5 and with a good tune their are pretty damn impressive. The C7 Z06 never impressed me for what it should be. | Thanks for the info! C7Z06 times are all over the place 60-130. M5 comps are usually around 8.0-8.5 so it's understood on that part. But yeah man, that really is wild. I knew the tuning would favor the BMW, LT4 needs a lot of work to run big power. (A 2650 could change that, yet super expensive). I was more shocked that the M5 is that big, can massage your ass while racing and could pull on a C7 z06. These races will always have different outcomes but judging by your times it seems like the M5 has the legs on it top end. Did you manually shift the C7 & M5? Did you yield the best times in full auto or manual for the C7 and M5? |
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| 08-28-2021, 06:12 PM | #11 |
| brad65ford Captain 287Rep 803Posts Drives: 2022 M3 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: fl iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by edwarjejeega Thanks for the info! C7Z06 times are all over the place 60-130. M5 comps are usually around 8.0-8.5 so it's understood on that part. But yeah man, that really is wild. I knew the tuning would favor the BMW, LT4 needs a lot of work to run big power. (A 2650 could change that, yet super expensive). I was more shocked that the M5 is that big, can massage your ass while racing and could pull on a C7 z06. These races will always have different outcomes but judging by your times it seems like the M5 has the legs on it top end. Did you manually shift the C7 & M5? Did you yield the best times in full auto or manual for the C7 and M5? | Left both in auto so I could stay consistent. I did notice the M5 might yield better 60-130 times if manual shifted. Again its still new to me and I don't know the best shift points. |
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| 08-28-2021, 08:59 PM | #12 |
| TrevorM3 Banned 3327Rep 8,083Posts Drives: 6.3 AMG Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by brad65ford Your video,details expressing the race and cars differences is confusing lol. I can't tell if yours saying the M5 won regardless you think the z06 is faster? | I dont think. I know. I'm simply saying the f90 will not beat an Auto z06 from a 40-130. Hence me posting the video of me vs a 740hp F90, and jumping out in front until 120. And the passenger in that video is also close to 200lbs. Didn't help z06's case either. |
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| 08-29-2021, 08:10 AM | #13 |
| brad65ford Captain 287Rep 803Posts Drives: 2022 M3 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: fl iTrader: (0) | There's enough videos and data on the net depicting similar times/results between them regardless of the run you've shared in your video. Roots blowers are pretty lively and snappy, to me this is what your seeing happen and getting the hit. Honestly it just looks like you got the hit, usually people call that jumping and then it pulls on you. I mean shit, it was passing you like a freight train, never heard of anyone saying a car is faster while one gets its doors blown off by the other one. With that said you are correct, the z06, in a roll can be nasty if they get the jump especially on a 4500lb sedan. Watch the video I posted at 2.29 you can see what happens when both these cars leave at the same time. Last edited by brad65ford; 08-29-2021 at 08:26 AM.. |
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| 08-29-2021, 09:10 AM | #14 |
| edwarjejeega Second Lieutenant 421Rep 280Posts Drives: '19 M850i, '18 X6M, '16 M4 Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Mi iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by will0621 another LCI vs a Redeye, bmw definitely updating something in the new model years (I know the transmission tuning was tweaked) as I don't think the previous year M5Cs were keeping up with these types of cars | 2020 M5's also have the trans update |
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| 08-29-2021, 09:30 AM | #15 |
| edwarjejeega Second Lieutenant 421Rep 280Posts Drives: '19 M850i, '18 X6M, '16 M4 Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Mi iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by brad65ford There's enough videos and data on the net depicting similar times/results between them regardless of the run you've shared in your video. Roots blowers are pretty lively and snappy, to me this is what your seeing happen and getting the hit. Honestly it just looks like you got the hit, usually people call that jumping and then it pulls on you. I mean shit, it was passing you like a freight train, never heard of anyone saying a car is faster while one gets its doors blown off by the other one. With that said you are correct, the z06, in a roll can be nasty if they get the jump especially on a 4500lb sedan. Watch the video I posted at 2.29 you can see what happens when both these cars leave at the same time. | Very true. BMW did a great job with turbo lag but even sometimes you still notice it, and regardless of it you'll never get that instant power like a blower has. The beginning of races, even if neither parties jumped, shows a lot if one just gets out miles ahead. Which I mean is a part of the Z06, can't really fault it for being super fast and torquey. |
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| 08-29-2021, 09:00 PM | #16 |
| TrevorM3 Banned 3327Rep 8,083Posts Drives: 6.3 AMG Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by brad65ford There's enough videos and data on the net depicting similar times/results between them regardless of the run you've shared in your video. Roots blowers are pretty lively and snappy, to me this is what your seeing happen and getting the hit. Honestly it just looks like you got the hit, usually people call that jumping and then it pulls on you. I mean shit, it was passing you like a freight train, never heard of anyone saying a car is faster while one gets its doors blown off by the other one. With that said you are correct, the z06, in a roll can be nasty if they get the jump especially on a 4500lb sedan. Watch the video I posted at 2.29 you can see what happens when both these cars leave at the same time. | Ok, not sure what needs explaining, but again, based on my video and the original video... im simply saying (again) a stock f90 isn't beating an auto C7Z 40-130. You can watch and read all the data you want, i just gave you a real life example. Not heresay. I jumped? Not really, considering he's the one who blew the horn as well. He's got well over 740hp in that car, of course hes going to pass a z06 with less HP, and a terrible 4th to 5th. I'm not denying that. I'm sharing the video as a reference to the first video. In the first video, he's got a 200lb passenger, shifting early, and doing rolls not acquainted to the z06 power band. An f90 from 50-55 is is nice, a z06, not so much. |
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| 08-29-2021, 09:05 PM | #17 |
| TrevorM3 Banned 3327Rep 8,083Posts Drives: 6.3 AMG Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by brad65ford Yes aero and mostly weather, the c7 z06 are very dependent on good weather because of that heat soaked blower they used. inter cooler bricks are tiny. A lot of the videos on youtube showing hero runs are neg da and cold temps. Kind of cheating but it gets you good numbers. Both my z06 and m5 were virgins and well kept, and I believe the numbers are pretty fair between the two as well as actually as can be in all fairness. 2016 C7 Z06 Auto w/ z07 package, I removed the aero since it definitely slowed it down upstairs big time. Did a good bit of dragy's with her since I wasn't sure if I was going to keep and modify. Was pissed you have to upgraded the tinny ass blower they used. IMO it wasn't worth it for what you get. Here are some comparisons. 2016 Z06 7k miles bone stock. (all done with 79 degree/1650da) Stock = 11.79@125.39 / 60-130 = 8.90 Tuned/logged and revised on stock hardware (same weather conditions) 11.32@127.73 / 60-130 = 8.08 2019 M5 comp (all done with 81 degrees/1734 da, all same exact road as well) stock = 10.98/126.62 / 60-130= 8.43 stage 1 BM3 93 tune = 10.68@ 129.72 / 60-130 = 7.87 BTW I believe this video shows it pretty well with mods between them, with a health f90 m5 and with a good tune their are pretty damn impressive. The C7 Z06 never impressed me for what it should be. | And not to sound like an ass or anything, but if you were doing 11.79 in a C7Z (auto) you weren't driving correctly. Plain and simple. Your "tuned" z06 was/is slower than my stock vehicle. How is that even possible?  Attached Images  |
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| 08-29-2021, 09:39 PM | #18 |
| brad65ford Captain 287Rep 803Posts Drives: 2022 M3 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: fl iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by TrevorM3 And not to sound like an ass or anything, but if you were doing 11.79 in a C7Z (auto) you weren't driving correctly. Plain and simple. Your "tuned" z06 was/is slower than my stock vehicle. How is that even possible? Attachment 2684131 | My z06 was a dog especially in the weather conditions high DA and mad high humidity, 90% over the summer this year you could cut it with a knife it was so thick. Personally I don't run at the track, while et's do show one side of the performance mph does another. I'd rather focused on mph in a 1/4 or 60-130 for reference points regarding the cars performance especially regarding a roll race. Last edited by brad65ford; 08-29-2021 at 09:52 PM.. |
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| brad65ford Captain 287Rep 803Posts Drives: 2022 M3 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: fl iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by TrevorM3 Ok, not sure what needs explaining, but again, based on my video and the original video... im simply saying (again) a stock f90 isn't beating an auto C7Z 40-130. You can watch and read all the data you want, i just gave you a real life example. Not heresay. I jumped? Not really, considering he's the one who blew the horn as well. He's got well over 740hp in that car, of course hes going to pass a z06 with less HP, and a terrible 4th to 5th. I'm not denying that. I'm sharing the video as a reference to the first video. In the first video, he's got a 200lb passenger, shifting early, and doing rolls not acquainted to the z06 power band. An f90 from 50-55 is is nice, a z06, not so much. | Its all good no need to explain again what we both already know. Agree you shared your data and I was just reflecting what I've done personally with both cars in the same conditions as well as shared a video showing another race with similar cars like you had in your video and the out come was different than yours. Love the video I posted, shows how awesome a M5 can be from a roll against a Z06 .... when they left correctly or both are running correctly. LOL I'm just messing with you bro, its all good. You got good taste in cars like myself which its all about! Last edited by brad65ford; 08-29-2021 at 09:53 PM.. |
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| brad65ford Captain 287Rep 803Posts Drives: 2022 M3 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: fl iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by edwarjejeega Very true. BMW did a great job with turbo lag but even sometimes you still notice it, and regardless of it you'll never get that instant power like a blower has. The beginning of races, even if neither parties jumped, shows a lot if one just gets out miles ahead. Which I mean is a part of the Z06, can't really fault it for being super fast and torquey. | Totally agree, the hit is everything especially when cars are making nasty torque quickly. The video I posted shows how tricky it was to get a good run in. Once they did it was beautiful, even seeing the blue flames on shifting from the M5. Do love me some roll racing even though I love drag racing too. |
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| TrevorM3 Banned 3327Rep 8,083Posts Drives: 6.3 AMG Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by brad65ford Its all good no need to explain again what we both already know. Agree you shared your data and I was just reflecting what I've done personally with both cars in the same conditions as well as shared a video showing another race with similar cars like you had in your video and the out come was different than yours. Love the video I posted, shows how awesome a M5 can be from a roll against a Z06 .... when they left correctly or both are running correctly. LOL I'm just messing with you bro, its all good. You got good taste in cars like myself which its all about! | Yeah, i mean no harm. I hurt alot of feelings with the Z, nobody believed that thing was stock. I miss it. |
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| edwarjejeega Second Lieutenant 421Rep 280Posts Drives: '19 M850i, '18 X6M, '16 M4 Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Mi iTrader: (0) | Quote: Originally Posted by brad65ford Quote: | Originally Posted by edwarjejeega Very true. BMW did a great job with turbo lag but even sometimes you still notice it, and regardless of it you'll never get that instant power like a blower has. The beginning of races, even if neither parties jumped, shows a lot if one just gets out miles ahead. Which I mean is a part of the Z06, can't really fault it for being super fast and torquey. | Totally agree, the hit is everything especially when cars are making nasty torque quickly. The video I posted shows how tricky it was to get a good run in. Once they did it was beautiful, even seeing the blue flames on shifting from the M5. Do love me some roll racing even though I love drag racing too. | |
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