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• Thread starter Thread starter halbert
• Start date Start date Jun 10, 2014

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halbert

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Shanghai Mandarin Chinese, Shanghai Dialect Room rates are subject to 15% service charge. Is this sentence right? You say it in this way, using "subject to"? Seemingly I don't match any usage of "subject to" with that in the sentence. Does the phrase mean "include" or "exclude"? The room rates include servece charge, or you pay room rates and service charge separately? Last edited: Jun 11, 2014 P

Parla

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New York City English - US It doesn't mean "include" or "exclude". It means that there will be a 15 percent charge in addition to the quoted room rate. P.S.: The first-person pronoun "I" is always capitalized in English. H

halbert

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Shanghai Mandarin Chinese, Shanghai Dialect

Parla said: It doesn't mean "include" or "exclude". It means that there will be a 15 percent charge in addition to the quoted room rate. P.S.: The first-person pronoun "I" is always capitalized in English. Click to expand...

LOL, thank you. I always forget to switch to uppercase.

suzi br

Senior Member

Gwynedd English / England It is quite a difficult concept, as we can see in the dictionary. This is the first definition of 'subject' as a verb in our dictionary: vb/səbˈdʒɛkt/(transitive)

• (followed by to) to cause to undergo the application (of): they subjected him to torture

So the room rate will have the application of a 15% surcharge. H

halbert

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Shanghai Mandarin Chinese, Shanghai Dialect

suzi br said: It is quite a difficult concept, as we can see in the dictionary. This is the first definition of 'subject' as a verb in our dictionary: vb/səbˈdʒɛkt/(transitive)

• (followed by to) to cause to undergo the application (of): they subjected him to torture

So the room rate will have the application of a 15% surcharge. Click to expand...

You mean the surcharge is already in the room rate hotel quoted?

Andygc

Senior Member

Devon British English No. He will be subject to torture - he's not been tortured yet, but will be when we're ready for him. The room rate is subject to a 15% surcharge - the tariff says $100, but your bill will say $115. H

halbert

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Shanghai Mandarin Chinese, Shanghai Dialect

Andygc said: No. He will be subject to torture - he's not been tortured yet, but will be when we're ready for him. The room rate is subject to a 15% surcharge - the tariff says $100, but your bill will say $115. Click to expand...

A further question. I change the original sentence to: US$ 2000 (not subject to XXX fee US$ 200) Then how would you understand it? Does this mean, there will not be another fee by some other agency, or, the fee exists and is already included in the base price? Thanks a lot!

Andygc

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Devon British English If it's not subject to a fee, why would you say what the fee is? The effect of something being subject to something else depends on context. In many countries goods are subject to sales tax. In some of them, sales tax is included in the price, in others it is added when you pay for the goods. When goods are offered for sale, the shop does not put up signs saying "subject to sales tax", but it might put up signs that say "prices include VAT" or "prices exclude VAT". Your original sentence is a little odd to me because I have never come across a hotel that adds a service charge to room rates. They do, however, add taxes. "Room rates are subject to a tourist tax of €1 per person, per day." The tax is added to the bill. The hotel owner is making it clear that this is a local tax, and not part of his room charge. It may be that in the next town there is no tax, so the hotel owner there might make a point "Room rates in Bad Cheaperthanthere are not subject to a tourist tax". You will be unlikely to see a sign in a hotel that says "Room rates are subject to VAT". The tax authorities may have written a document that says "Hotel room rates are subject to VAT", but the person taking a hotel room already knows that and doesn't need to think about it. The published rate includes the tax (That is, in my experience. There are many countries I have not visited.). H

halbert

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Shanghai Mandarin Chinese, Shanghai Dialect

Andygc said: If it's not subject to a fee, why would you say what the fee is? The effect of something being subject to something else depends on context. In many countries goods are subject to sales tax. In some of them, sales tax is included in the price, in others it is added when you pay for the goods. When goods are offered for sale, the shop does not put up signs saying "subject to sales tax", but it might put up signs that say "prices include VAT" or "prices exclude VAT". Your original sentence is a little odd to me because I have never come across a hotel that adds a service charge to room rates. They do, however, add taxes. "Room rates are subject to a tourist tax of €1 per person, per day." The tax is added to the bill. The hotel owner is making it clear that this is a local tax, and not part of his room charge. It may be that in the next town there is no tax, so the hotel owner there might make a point "Room rates in Bad Cheaperthanthere are not subject to a tourist tax". You will be unlikely to see a sign in a hotel that says "Room rates are subject to VAT". The tax authorities may have written a document that says "Hotel room rates are subject to VAT", but the person taking a hotel room already knows that and doesn't need to think about it. The published rate includes the tax (That is, in my experience. There are many countries I have not visited.). Click to expand...

I found another example.The following words are written in an contract between shipping company and shipper. The above contract rates are NOT subject to the following charges, - Currency Adjustment Factor - Destination Delivery Charge - Chassis Charge. - Inland Fuel Charge - Alameda Corridor Charge - Origin Terminal Handling Charge (OTHC) - Shanghai Port Surcharge - Documentation Fee - Cargo Declaration Data Charge Then, are those charges already in the contract, or say, there will be no such charges at all?

Andygc

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Devon British English It means the those charges will not be made. If they were included the contract would say so. You must log in or register to reply here. Share: Bluesky LinkedIn WhatsApp Email Share Link

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