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The 'Wow' bass sound re: XOXBOX vs TT-303 Page 1 of 2 12 > 📝 Reply Options Old 16th February 2014 #1 the keester 🎙️ Registered User Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 463 🎧 15 years The 'Wow' bass sound re: XOXBOX vs TT-303 I'm trying to decide of I should get a XOXBOX or Cyclone Bass Bot TT-303. So far of all of the demos I've seen it seems like the TT-303 is kinda lacking in that Wow wow wow sound in my head. I know everyone loves the TB303 for its acid sounds and I do too but I really love the Heaven 17 - Let Me Go bass sound or the Shannon - Let the Music Play bass. Can the TT-303 nail that?? Can someone who has the TT-303 be so kind and do a clip of their machine doing Let Me Go or Let the Music Play? Here's the sound: Shannon - Let The Music Play - YouTube Heaven 17 - Let Me Go! (Instrumental) - 1982 (Slow) - YouTube Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #2 the keester 🎙️ Registered User Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 463 🎧 15 years So no ones up for the challenge? Smile smiley Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #3 antto Lives for gear antto's Avatar Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,566 My Recordings/Credits 🎧 10 years i don't have a TT, but the accent "wow" on the x0x and TT is the same as on the TB-303, only that the max level on the TT goes beyond normal (so perhaps don't push it to max) that, and at worst you'll have to open the machine and tweak one trimpot to adjust the cutoff offset Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #4 natefrogg Lives for gear natefrogg's Avatar Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,836 🎧 15 years xox accent sounds far more linear and sharp than the bending swell of a 303 please post a real wow swelling bending one of the xox if u know of one though 1 Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #5 the keester 🎙️ Registered User Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 463 🎧 15 years The 'Wow' bass sound re: XOXBOX vs TT-303 Compare the tb at :23 to the TT a few seconds later in the vid. There is a clear difference. And this is after the mod if I understand. Is this an isolated incident? Does the xoxbox deliver the goods? 1 Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #6 antto Lives for gear antto's Avatar Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,566 My Recordings/Credits 🎧 10 years here is this good enough? the audio from the video there is slowed down a bit, so i've slowed my recording down a bit too, equivalent to -2.5 semitones Attached Files

z_x0x2_acc-wow4.mp3 (530.6 KB, 5635 views)

2 Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 | Show parent #7 the keester 🎙️ Registered User Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 463 🎧 15 years Good effort. I can hear the accent wow but something's missing IMO Quote: Originally Posted by antto ➡️ here is this good enough? the audio from the video there is slowed down a bit, so i've slowed my recording down a bit too, equivalent to -2.5 semitones 3 Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #8 antto Lives for gear antto's Avatar Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,566 My Recordings/Credits 🎧 10 years yes, the rest of the song is missing another attempt, this time only -1 semitone slowed Attached Files

z_x0x2_acc-wow5.mp3 (437.6 KB, 5491 views)

1 Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 | Show parent #9 the keester 🎙️ Registered User Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 463 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by antto ➡️ yes, the rest of the song is missing another attempt, this time only -1 semitone slowed I believe that sounded much better. Now I'm curious if a TT303 can come as close. Thanks for the help. Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #10 blinky909 Lives for gear blinky909's Avatar Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,044 My Studio 🎧 10 years just buy a 303 Smile smiley 2 Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #11 antto Lives for gear antto's Avatar Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,566 My Recordings/Credits 🎧 10 years you still may need to turn a trimpot down even if you buy a TB-303 that's why there's those trimpots in there, cuz they vary the bassbot goes further with the "wow" so yes, it'll be able to do it if you don't push the accent knob to the max 1 Share Reply Quote Old 17th February 2014 #12 the keester 🎙️ Registered User Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 463 🎧 15 years After listening to some more vids and finding this helpful acid voice site that really did their homework comparing all of the current 303 clones. The choice is clear. As far as sound goes the xoxbox is basically a 303 in a different box. It has the sound. It has the magic. As much as I wanted to like the TT303 (it looks way cooler than a xoxbox) every sound example just didn't move me. If you listen to the clips on acid voice comparing the TT vs the TB, the TT just sounded nasal and unmusical to me. The magic wasn't there. Roland TB 303 Clones Test - Best VST Emulator 1 Share Reply Quote Old 19th February 2014 | Show parent #13 natefrogg Lives for gear natefrogg's Avatar Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,836 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by antto ➡️ here is this good enough? the audio from the video there is slowed down a bit, so i've slowed my recording down a bit too, equivalent to -2.5 semitones hi antto, i listened to both and appreciate you taking the time to make a recording and post the audio to share. what you posted sounds good, it is a nice sounding synth and sound great, however the resonance does sound like it is missing something to me like it is not very full and not really reaching as much, the accent does sound more linear and with a stiffer knee. it sounds good though and in a mix i don't know if it would even matter, but those are the differences that i hear, i was just working with a tb 303 for the last hour and a half so felt it would be a good time to bring my ears over to your demos. 1 Share Reply Quote Old 19th February 2014 #14 antto Lives for gear antto's Avatar Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,566 My Recordings/Credits 🎧 10 years well, indeed, the "wow" on the recording appears wider (in time) and has more accumulation on the second note this could be a result of recording the pattern at a fast tempo (and at higher pitch) and then pitching down the recorded sample or a modification to the synth (less likely, if that track is really from 1982) i don't mind such chalanges, so if you have any other recordings of 303s that do something interesting (preferably not via mods or post-processing tricks) - shoot 1 Share Reply Quote Old 19th February 2014 #15 natefrogg Lives for gear natefrogg's Avatar Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,836 🎧 15 years hi antto, i am not trying to challenge anybody, i was just sharing about how i hear it. for the type of music posted initially i'm sure an xoxbox like what you've recorded would work great in the mix i don't have much time to do a recording of heaven 17s bassline programmed into the box, but here is something from what i was recording just a moment ago that is dry at 111bpm and shows some wow as i sweep through Attached Files

natefrogg-303wows001.mp3 (2.32 MB, 5222 views)

1 Share Reply Quote Old 19th February 2014 | Show parent #16 natefrogg Lives for gear natefrogg's Avatar Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,836 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by antto ➡️ ...this could be a result of recording the pattern at a fast tempo (and at higher pitch) and then pitching down the recorded sample... well that would change how the accent is triggering on their 303, that's interesting because if you play it at different speeds the accent does change per as well as per note, recording it at an incredibly high speed then dropping it way down might have a big noticeable effect on a 303, pretty cool if that's how they did it Share Reply Quote Old 19th February 2014 #17 antto Lives for gear antto's Avatar Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,566 My Recordings/Credits 🎧 10 years recording it fast and then pitching the sample down effectively changes every time-related variable in the synth and pushes it down thus, the accent "wow" will be longer in time and so on the square will sound radically different (due to the PW which is dependant on osc frequency) 1 Share Reply Quote Old 19th February 2014 #18 antto Lives for gear antto's Avatar Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,566 My Recordings/Credits 🎧 10 years heh, here's an extreme example first part is at 111BPM second part is at 222BPM and the pattern is transposed one octave up, then the recording is pitched down in half Attached Files

z_x0x2_acc-wow6.mp3 (1.26 MB, 5571 views)

1 Share Reply Quote Old 19th February 2014 #19 natefrogg Lives for gear natefrogg's Avatar Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,836 🎧 15 years great example nice one in the acid thread btw, that's some funk, love it Share Reply Quote Old 9th May 2014 #20 lucio Registered User Joined: May 2014 Posts: 8 🎧 10 years tt-303 Judge for yourself: tt-303 hooked up in ableton with mxr distortion. https://soundcloud.com/luis-lucio-1/...ownload-tt-303 Share Reply Quote Old 9th May 2014 | Show parent #21 Oden Registered User Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,141 🎧 10 years Quote: Originally Posted by lucio ➡️ Judge for yourself: tt-303 hooked up in ableton with mxr distortion. https://soundcloud.com/luis-lucio-1/...ownload-tt-303 By MXR, do you mean the distortion+? Share Reply Quote Old 9th May 2014 | Show parent #22 lucio Registered User Joined: May 2014 Posts: 8 🎧 10 years yep! Share Reply Quote Old 9th May 2014 #23 lucio Registered User Joined: May 2014 Posts: 8 🎧 10 years For those interested; tt-303, three runs same loop, in the following order: - mxr 104 - big muff - ds1 Attached Files

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1 Share Reply Quote Old 9th May 2014 #24 Jeeroj Lives for gear Jeeroj's Avatar Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 532 🎧 10 years I still don't think the TT has the same wow as the x0x or 303, something odd about the accent imo... Share Reply Quote Old 9th May 2014 | Show parent #25 Aziak Lives for gear Aziak's Avatar Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 857 My Studio 🎧 10 years Quote: Originally Posted by Jeeroj ➡️ I still don't think the TT has the same wow as the x0x or 303, something odd about the accent imo... This is the truth. I have both (TB-303 and a TT-303) and the TT is very different from the TB-303 regarding the "wow" sound. I tried to match the setting by ear and never got something close to the TB's behaviour. The sound is (if this make sense) shorter and without punch. If you speed up the tempo it gets even worse... Share Reply Quote Old 13th July 2016 #26 lucio Registered User Joined: May 2014 Posts: 8 🎧 10 years retroactive techno: tt-303 through a tascam & mxr + recorded on cassette (Maxell XLII) https://soundcloud.com/luis-lucio-1/...-free-download Share Reply Quote Old 28th January 2017 #27 Deleted 55774e1 Posts: n/a My Studio this demo shows quite well the difference between x0x and TB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq39yd1OTTU (don't think distortion helps, any comparison has to be clean) i think it's partly to do with how the slide/decay works. maybe that's when the accent comes in, if it affects the envelope, or envelope amount. and the resonance 'trills' more on the TB. seems like a completely circuitous (geddit) argument. TT and x0x side by side, the TT sounds more authentic, but the x0x goes further. x0x seems to sound best higher up imo. Share Reply Quote Old 28th January 2017 #28 mutilatedlip Posts: n/a My Studio https://www.instagram.com/p/BK6J0HshTFP/ This was within ten minutes of getting my TT-303. Crap quality, but gives you an idea. Absolutely love it, and it's as close as any OG 303 I've used. Share Reply Quote Old 29th January 2017 | Show parent #29 antto Lives for gear antto's Avatar Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,566 My Recordings/Credits 🎧 10 years Quote: Originally Posted by islandmonkey this demo shows quite well the difference between x0x and TB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq39yd1OTTU (don't think distortion helps, any comparison has to be clean) i think it's partly to do with how the slide/decay works. the slide/decay works the same way in the x0xb0x and in most other 303 clones, it's hard to get it wrong most of the "difference" in that video comes from the not ideally matched tone controls (you'd get that if you compared one 303 against another one too, or one x0x vs another one) also, some of the comments from the author of the video were not correct in the beginning he said he thinks the audible difference is from the resonance, where in fact it was the cutoff frequency, which was probably because he set both cutoff knobs in the middle, and they happened to not match the same resistance (even if the cutoff offset had been calibrated perfectly) Quote: maybe that's when the accent comes in, if it affects the envelope, or envelope amount. the accent affects the main envelope decay time if the accent knob is not at zero - it causes a secondary volume envelope and a secondary cutoff frequency modulation to be added, but it doesn't affect the main envelope at all, nor the resonance (a popular myth) Quote: and the resonance 'trills' more on the TB. i'm seriously tired of such words.. it means nothing to me i can change the word "trills" with any other word and that sentence will still mean the same - nothing it only says that you supposedly think the TB's resonance sounds better, and unfamiliar readers would probably agree with you cuz that can't be bad, right? someone saying that the original is better.. that can't be wrong, yeah, and anyone disagreeing with that must be wrong and put in jail without actually saying "it's better" without actually saying why they sound different.. what's "more" in one vs the other because "trills more" could mean anything you want it to mean it's very very easy to throw such speculation around people are easily fooled into seing difference even if there isn't one i look bad now, don't i? Quote: seems like a completely circuitous (geddit) argument. TT and x0x side by side, the TT sounds more authentic, but the x0x goes further. x0x seems to sound best higher up imo. if you put "TT and x0x" side by side, how can you say which sounds more authentic? more authentic to what? oh wait, i know what's going on you picture them side by side, right? one looks like a 303, the other one.. not so much the fact is, the synth circuit of the bassbot has modifications compared to the original, the x0xb0x synth circuit is closer to the original ...if that means anything 2 Share Reply Quote Old 29th January 2017 #30 apolloturner Lives for gear apolloturner's Avatar Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,050 My Recordings/Credits My Studio 2 Reviews written 🎧 5 years My x0x had that quality to its sound. Actually a little too much, IMO. And although I liked it at first, it got real annoying.I think the thing about x0xbox is that depending on who built it,and what components are used, it can sound drastically different I do not recommend a mode machines x0x. My experience with mine was that they used wrong value components and put some in backwards. I own a TT303 MK1, and a Revolution. The Revo Accent goes about 25% beyond what any other 303 synth I have ever heard in terms of Overall length and Volume of the accent, so if that is the sound you like, I say get one if you can find one. I have read several people state that the TT303 MK2 does not sound like the MK1. At this point, I don't know if it is true or not. In terms of authentic sound, I don't really care all that much. Share Reply Quote Top Mentioned Manufacturers
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