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Goofy77  Joined: 22 Jan 2016Posts: 9 Post karma: +1 / -0 |  Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 16:06 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) |   | | Talquerung wrote: | Absolutely true, that is also why I love Nova for offering that (even though I only own one historic Mentor 2  ) However, from what I can read, the Liros DC40 are especially prone to shortening. The guy who measured them said 5-10% after 100h could be the extreme. And there are different light alternatives on the market. That is why I said strange choice, especially because Hannes Papesh runs around and tells people "our wings dont need trimming even after 200h, they are so great." e.g. Lu Glidz podcast. |
Maybe it isn't necessary to trim the glider. Personally, i let trim every glider every year. The protocol shows each time small (5mm) to medium (10mm) corrections. The maximum in all this years (9) were 15mm. It depends on the flying style. If I did a lot of spirals, Sats, full stalls, a siv training, then you may get 10-15mm corrections. Normal cruising style maybe 0 - 10mm. All this is not a safety problem. But! If your As (or just one or two) are longer and some of the Cs are shorter then your canopy has a little bigger angle of attack. No Problem, really! I personally think, that a optimal trim will give me the best flying performance, the easiest launch, better dive in to thermals, straighter accelerator flight and so on. If it is winter, my glider gets some service and the glider industrie get some work. I think it is true, that you can fly 200h without trimming. But, perhaps you won't get the same "performance" as with trimming. So, just do once a trimming and get the protocol. If every line hadn't been corrected, then you just lost some bugs. But if there are some corrections, you get a (nearly) new glider. | |
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Xsub0  Joined: 06 Aug 2007Posts: 63 Post karma: +91 / -11Location: NW Italy | | Posted: Mon May 03, 2021 16:38 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | | Dieter Braun wrote: | | Just out of curiosity: anyone tried already the new semilight C Handle R07 riser on the Maestro? It should have certification if I have read the Allegro-Xalps pages correctly. The riser can be seen here: https://phi-air.com/project/risers/ Best, Dieter. |
Finally, I managed to test the R07 risers with my Maestro 22: the system is very intuitive and fluid (pulleys work very well). Also in turbulence the system feels very comfortable (I am not used to push the bar in medium/strong conditions and yesterday was a prefect spring day in NW Italy) The risers are longer (5-6 cm): the lengths of speed system and brakes must be modified. Conclusions: it seems a good update for the Maestro. + comfort and confidence when pushing the bar - my arms are too short (because the risers are long and also because in Italy a short arm means a stingy guy, and the R07 risers are not for free... ) | |
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| terjebb Joined: 15 Nov 2009Posts: 30 Post karma: +4 / -1Location: Norway | | Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 18:41 UTC Post subject: RE: Phi Maestro/ EN B | | Hello. Has anybody tried to fly their Maestro at different wingloads? I have have usually been at the top of the weight range, about 99kg on an ML(83-103kg) This summer I decided to try out some lightweight eqyipment and got hold of second hand Supair Strike, first gen. In flight weight dropped to about 94kg and that was really noticable. Brakepressure got even lighter, speed of climb improved and "floatability". The ability to remain in the air in marginal conditions feels better. Is flying the maestro at the top of the weight range perhaps not the optimal way? I have not tried it in rough conditions though with 94kg, but I was surprised how much 5kg meant for the feel of the wing. Has anyone any experience with flying with various in flight weight and got some input to share? Cheers  | |
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| Xsub0 Joined: 06 Aug 2007Posts: 63 Post karma: +91 / -11Location: NW Italy | | Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:17 UTC Post subject: Re: RE: Phi Maestro/ EN B | | | terjebb wrote: | | Hello. Has anybody tried to fly their Maestro at different wingloads? I have have usually been at the top of the weight range, about 99kg on an ML(83-103kg) This summer I decided to try out some lightweight eqyipment and got hold of second hand Supair Strike, first gen. In flight weight dropped to about 94kg and that was really noticable. Brakepressure got even lighter, speed of climb improved and "floatability". The ability to remain in the air in marginal conditions feels better. Is flying the maestro at the top of the weight range perhaps not the optimal way? I have not tried it in rough conditions though with 94kg, but I was surprised how much 5kg meant for the feel of the wing. Has anyone any experience with flying with various in flight weight and got some input to share? Cheers |
When I decided to purchase the maestro (2 years ago), I tried the 21 (near the top) and the 22 (in the middle), and I decided to go for 22. I lose the go-kart feeling (bmw-mini style) but the floatability was improved. Now I am back with go-kart feeling cause pandemic lockdown (+5 kilos)  The manufacturer suggestion was to go for the 22 cause the weight must be set in the middle of the range. | |
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| terjebb Joined: 15 Nov 2009Posts: 30 Post karma: +4 / -1Location: Norway | | Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:41 UTC Post subject: RE: Phi Maestro/ EN B | | | Thank you for your reply Manilo. It is good to hear that someone has similar experience as myself. Let us hope that Covid ends soon. It is not particularly good for the in-flight weight | |
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| Talquerung Joined: 29 Mar 2021Posts: 4 Post karma: +10 / -5 | | Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 14:43 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | | @Terjebb If you ask Phi they will always recommend middle. I tested 19 (up) and 21 (middle) back then. I enjoyed a terrific 2h flight in light conditions where everybode else was struggling hard. It was so playful with the maestro. However just as you said the feeling is so different: Even more "nervous" feedback about every single change in the air, oftentimes very useless. However that was the only downside I saw. Even Speed was the same. I did another test as well: I flew the X Alps 17 (15kg overload) and my girlfriend flew the 19 at just 2kg below lowest load. Trim was identical. Crazy. I finally settled with the 19 more to the top, because I liked the feeling and feedback on stronger days more. Lucky enough, I also lost some kg and fly it now with 75kg instead of 87. | |
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| alandet Joined: 09 May 2011Posts: 122 Post karma: +151 / -91 | | Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:38 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | I’ve lost 11 kilos since I started flying my maestro but have used three different harnesses. A wani in ireland followed by a cult C in france. The conditions I fly in in france are often rough and in the inversion layer post sea breeze front. I got very nervous with the lighter weight using the Cult this summer in france and didn’t like the motion with a lot of brief roll snatches. I bought an advance easiness pod harness which arrived ten days ago which I first flew with my ion 2 and symphonia before I took the big step. As it is it’s a dream, the uncomfortable roll movement has been replaced by a yawing one and I’ve tended to put climb the rest of the field partly because I can concentrate on flying. I miss the weight shift input as I found that once established in a climb outside weight shift was an advantage. I’ve had a quick wingtip fold and reinflate with both set ups and weights; although I’m an old boy (if the woke brigade allow that) I haven’t noticed any real difference in the wing at either end of the wing which is a good bit of kit and my 8th. I’ve had around 40 flights on different days in the last three months and occasionally the only one flying because of the strong conditions..all at the light side of the weight range. Unlike one wing which I flew under its certified weight it’s still fast on bar at the light end. I use a XCtrakker Max for the wind speed and ground speed. | E3AFF473-438C-4E4D-B958-398DBAF3CEE3.jpeg | | Description: | | Sorry, only registered users can view/download attachments. Click here to register, or login. | | | Filesize: | 350.88 KB | | Viewed: | 2916 Time(s) |  | | E3AFF473-438C-4E4D-B958-398DBAF3CEE3.jpeg | | Description: | | Sorry, only registered users can view/download attachments. Click here to register, or login. | | | Filesize: | 350.88 KB | | Viewed: | 2924 Time(s) | | | 834263F7-6195-42F0-8187-2E172CCFB02B.jpeg | | Description: | | Sorry, only registered users can view/download attachments. Click here to register, or login. | | | Filesize: | 382.4 KB | | Viewed: | 2966 Time(s) | | | 834263F7-6195-42F0-8187-2E172CCFB02B.jpeg | | Description: | | Sorry, only registered users can view/download attachments. Click here to register, or login. | | | Filesize: | 382.4 KB | | Viewed: | 2917 Time(s) | | | |
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| MountainMadness Joined: 02 Jul 2020Posts: 133 Post karma: +164 / -15 | | Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 16:22 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | | I think they might come with an updated riser. When I ordered by Tenor Light it came with risers with BC control. They were not listed in the product description on the website at the time. Wing was ordered March 2020. Definitely get in touch with your supplier or Hannes to find out. | |
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| JakubM Donor ♥ Joined: 11 Oct 2016Posts: 247 Post karma: +143 / -12Location: Poland | | Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:25 UTC Post subject: Which size? | | | I want to try something new and I am considering replacing my Swift 5 MS with Maestro xAlps. I am struggling with understanding what 'extended weight range' means and which size should I choose for myself. My problem is that my total weight in flight varies a lot. My minimal total weight is around 80kg and with my Swift5 MS I am flying with ballast to be around 85kg. While flying vol-biv my total weight reaches or slightly extends 90kg (no more than 92kg). With lighter Maestro xAlps S I think if I take less water in flight and be very close or even below 90kg. Will size S work for me (so I can avoid flying with ballast)? Or should I stay with M? | |
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| ristododo Joined: 23 Aug 2009Posts: 1201 Post karma: +256 / -56 | | Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:25 UTC Post subject: Maestro | | | Hello guys im very interested in this wing ,some of you that fly the bigger size L near the upper top weight near 130 -133kg.....how it is?? any problems in week conditions?? | |
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| fly2dsky Joined: 14 Mar 2015Posts: 58 Post karma: +3 / -12 | | Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:57 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | Maestro 2 in 2022?   | |
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| wingovers Joined: 03 Dec 2019Posts: 11 Post karma: +8 / -1Location: NW CT and SW FL | | Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 14:18 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | | fly2dsky wrote: | | Maestro 2 in 2022? |
I understand the new Rush 6 has stepped up the game for high B wings so I hope Hannes will respond in kind with Maestro already an excellent contender on this space. | |
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| fly2dsky Joined: 14 Mar 2015Posts: 58 Post karma: +3 / -12 | | Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 18:28 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | | wingovers wrote: | | fly2dsky wrote: | | Maestro 2 in 2022? |
I understand the new Rush 6 has stepped up the game for high B wings so I hope Hannes will respond in kind with Maestro already an excellent contender on this space. |
Rush 6 is on Sigma´s11 level... its gonna be hard to beat him!!! Maestro 2 have to be new wing with latest technology (B/C comands...) not just "Facelift" with new set of colors and small trim efect! | |
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| alandet Joined: 09 May 2011Posts: 122 Post karma: +151 / -91 | | Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 13:16 UTC Post subject: Service beyond belief | | | I returned my wing last month after breaking an upper gallery line after stepping on it or catching it on a rock. It’s got a lot less than 50 hours. Arrived back today with an extensive report after remeasuring then I opened it..all of the upper gallery lines replaced, a spare set of risers with toggles and no invoice. I had a couple of grasshoppers eat their way through my symphonia and Hannes replaced the whole panels free of charge. After dealing with several French and one Italian manufacturer who do not have customer service, quality control or guarantee in their vocabularies it’s a pleasure to deal with anyone who speaks German. | |
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| alandet Joined: 09 May 2011Posts: 122 Post karma: +151 / -91 | |
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| Xsub0 Joined: 06 Aug 2007Posts: 63 Post karma: +91 / -11Location: NW Italy | | Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 16:03 UTC Post subject: Re: Service beyond belief | | | alandet wrote: | | I returned my wing last month after breaking an upper gallery line after stepping on it or catching it on a rock. It’s got a lot less than 50 hours. Arrived back today with an extensive report after remeasuring then I opened it..all of the upper gallery lines replaced, a spare set of risers with toggles and no invoice. I had a couple of grasshoppers eat their way through my symphonia and Hannes replaced the whole panels free of charge. After dealing with several French and one Italian manufacturer who do not have customer service, quality control or guarantee in their vocabularies it’s a pleasure to deal with anyone who speaks German. |
Really happy for your experience. Mine was not so good: PHI was unable to give me the correct ripstop lime color to cover two small holes. The kit that was delivered with the wing (Maestro) had different material/color (I think Dominico green instead of Skytex lime). I asked both the Italian dealer and the PHI customer service: same answer, the correct ripstop for Skytex 27 gr. lime (500) is not available. I had a similar experience with a Swiss manufacturer, and they solved the problems in few days. Both are speaking German. manlio | |
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| six10 Joined: 05 Oct 2021Posts: 36 Post karma: +25 / -26 | | Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 21:29 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | | A PHI dealer who is my friend, said just 3 months ago, that new Maestro is planned for 2022...but now he says, no Maestro 2 for 2022. I dont know how much truth there is to that, but with all the material shortages and all, i went and bought a new Maestro now anyway....even if the new one comes this year or next year... Maestro is still pretty much a benchmark for the B-class. | |
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Forum Moderators Topic StarterModerator  Joined: 28 Feb 2007Posts: 477 Post karma: +409 / -76Location: Universal | | Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 20:55 UTC Post subject: RE: PHI / Maestro (EN-B) | | | The posts about the PHI Maestro 2 have been separated in its own topic: https://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=106379 _________________The Moderation Team | |
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