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st.yorgen

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Joined Jul 25, 2019 Messages 6 Panasonic Lumix G95 vs G9 (G90 vs G9). There are many reviews and discussions on the Internet, mainly from theorists. I would like to hear reviews about the quality of the photo G95 (90) including JPEG Sooc from real users. I like the size and presence of a flash in the G95, but the G9 is praised more. It seems that they have the same matrix, but the processor at G9 is more powerful. I plan to use for travel and auto-moto sports in smooth dynamics. Are there those who were able to compare both? S

SkiHound

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st.yorgen said: Panasonic Lumix G95 vs G9 (G90 vs G9). There are many reviews and discussions on the Internet, mainly from theorists. I would like to hear reviews about the quality of the photo G95 (90) including JPEG Sooc from real users. I like the size and presence of a flash in the G95, but the G9 is praised more. It seems that they have the same matrix, but the processor at G9 is more powerful. I plan to use for travel and auto-moto sports in smooth dynamics. Are there those who were able to compare both? Click to expand...

I've not used a G90/95. I also don't have too much faith in stuff I read on DPReview. So you can put this in the hearsay category. But folks on DPReview seem to think it's a different sensor and not as good for still photography as the one in the G9. Again, just repeating the stuff I've read. I doubt many folks who on the G9 have much experience with the G95. It's not been on the market long and wouldn't seem to have great appeal for those who already own the G9. I do have the G9 and really like it.

D7k1

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Joined Nov 18, 2013 Messages 3,022 G9 is one of the very best cameras (and I've used a lot including 4 x 5, 6 x 9 CM and Nikon PRO gear) I've ever used. Yes it is a bit big but it is a perfect fit for my 100-400.

archaeopteryx

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SkiHound said: But folks on DPReview seem to think it's a different sensor and not as good for still photography as the one in the G9. Click to expand...

This is a case where citing the source would probably be a good idea but perhaps you're referring to this DPR thread? Since sharing sensors across models reduces per unit costs it might be a reasonable default to presume all four 5184 x 3888 pixel Panasonic bodies---the GH5, G9, G90/95, and GX9---use the MN34440PL sensor and differences may be attributable to changes in supporting parts on the body, configuration, or processing. Unless someone at Panasonic happens to indicate one way or another we probably won't ever really know. In particular, though:

• The G9 introduced a new base curve and it's frequently unclear how well comparisons based on raw files control for this. Often they don't appear to do so.
• While Panasonic hasn't published a catalog page for the MN34440PL the page for the previous 16.4MP MN34320 sensor indicates 12 bit on sensor ADC. If the GH5-G9-G90-GX9 indeed share a sensor, this suggests against imaging differences being attributable to use of different ADCs. However, 20MP imaging requires sufficient ADC speed and resolution that performance will be sensitive to a range of external factors such as shielding and voltage regulator implementation.

Neither DxOMark or Bill Claff have tested the G90/95 sensor yet but Bill has tested the GX9, finding it has the same dynamic range as the GH5 where G9 has 0.4 stop more. However, the GX9 has somewhat lower noise than the G9. Since only the GH5 has 14 bit raw and both the G9 and GX9 are 12 bit, the changes are not plausibly attributable to differences in raw bit depth. Subscribe to see EXIF info for this image (if available) As sensor differences between G and GX models in Panasonic's 7 and 8 generation bodies were small, it seems to me the GX9 would be the best available predictor of how the G90 sensor will measure at the moment. If this holds, it suggests one could use a G9 at an ISO half a stop faster than a G90 and get much the same image, provided processing behavior is similar around the base curves and so on. How important this half stop might be is something for @st.yorgen to decide. Subscribe to see EXIF info for this image (if available)

st.yorgen said: Are there those who were able to compare both? Click to expand...

Yes, as this thread is essentially duplicate of this one. There's been quite a bit in other threads about size and weight and feature considerations as well, for example here and here. To continue on the above sensor considerations, personally, my ISO sensitive work is focus stacking from 4k post focus as the use of 4k forces a minimum shutter speed of 1/30. Focus stacking increases noise and the convenient limit of my current processing toolchain is about a 6 stop PDR with 7 or 8 stops being preferred. I've a G7 and the G90 is currently my most probable update, so the G9 is more of interest in measuring opportunity cost. Since the 8 stop PDR line is ISO 400 on the G7, ISO 640 on the G90, and ISO 1000 on the G9. Both increments are two thirds of a stop, so choosing a G90 over a G9 forgoes half the potential improvement. While I'd prefer the G9's higher PDR it's not enough of a difference to push me off the G90. That sort of begs the question of how much an improvement would be enough. The realistic answer is I could get ISO 1600---another 2/3 stop---from a Nikon Z6 by spending thousands of dollars and accepting a major downgrade in focus bracketing speed. That's not happening either as it's rather easier to exceed EV 11 using my phone's LED. While this isn't a travel or motorsports example, motorsports often have similar shutter priority restrictions and the option for adding light is faster lenses. So similar questions apply: do you find light is currently limiting and, if so, is 2/3 stop of ISO a meaningful difference? Subscribe to see EXIF info for this image (if available)

grcolts

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st.yorgen said: Panasonic Lumix G95 vs G9 (G90 vs G9). There are many reviews and discussions on the Internet, mainly from theorists. I would like to hear reviews about the quality of the photo G95 (90) including JPEG Sooc from real users. I like the size and presence of a flash in the G95, but the G9 is praised more. It seems that they have the same matrix, but the processor at G9 is more powerful. I plan to use for travel and auto-moto sports in smooth dynamics. Are there those who were able to compare both? Click to expand...

I think it depends upon what you plan to use the camera for? What type of shooting do you see yourself doing with either one? For instance, if you like to use flash, then the G95 would be easier to shoot. If you take lots of night/star images the G95 with its new Olympus like night setting would be useful. It is lighter to carry and hike with too. Now, I own the G9 and can tell you it is one sturdy camera for out-of-doors use. It is heavier than the G95 for sure but with longer lens it provides more stability and is easier to handle. Hiking with the G9, I usually use a smaller lens such as the Panasonic 25/1.7 which makes the outfit lighter. I really like the Panasonic 12-60/2.8 lens too for general shooting. Some people complain about the G9's viewfinder (EVF) but I find nothing wrong with it. Works for me as it is large and bright. GR S

st.yorgen

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grcolts said: I think it depends upon what you plan to use the camera for? What type of shooting do you see yourself doing with either one? For instance, if you like to use flash, then the G95 would be easier to shoot. If you take lots of night/star images the G95 with its new Olympus like night setting would be useful. It is lighter to carry and hike with too. Now, I own the G9 and can tell you it is one sturdy camera for out-of-doors use. It is heavier than the G95 for sure but with longer lens it provides more stability and is easier to handle. Hiking with the G9, I usually use a smaller lens such as the Panasonic 25/1.7 which makes the outfit lighter. I really like the Panasonic 12-60/2.8 lens too for general shooting. Click to expand...

Thanks for your opinions! There is nothing specific to use. I rarely use flash. Usually it is walking, boat and car, museums and exhibitions. There is a drift auto sport. It just happens to be a city in the evening. Well, of course the family. Focal lengths from 16 to 300mm. J

joseluisphoto

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Joined Sep 2, 2019 Messages 1 Location The Colony, TX Real Name Jose Luis G9 is amazing! you wont regret- and its so cheap used these days. S

st.yorgen

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Joined Jul 25, 2019 Messages 6 I think the G9 is a more capable camera for me. But considering its size and the cost of the lenses, maybe you should pay attention to the Nikon Z6? The sizes are comparable, the sizes of the lenses are not very annoying. What do you think about it?

oldracer

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Joined Oct 1, 2010 Messages 2,839 Location USA You are not getting married here. Just buy one and try it. If you don't like it then sell it and buy another one. Often the first thing you buy just teaches you what you really want. S

st.yorgen

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oldracer said: You are not getting married here. Just buy one and try it. If you don't like it then sell it and buy another one. Often the first thing you buy just teaches you what you really want. Click to expand...

I already had a D750 16-35f4, 28-70f2.8. and 28-300 ... It was good, but the weight and size ... I sold it and bought a G85 kit 12-60, PL8-18 f2.8-4, 14-140 f3.5-5.6 + 35- 100f2.8. It became much easier to move around and I got more shots. But the quality didn’t suit me less, especially in conditions different from a sunny day. Some reviews praised the G95. They wrote that his Jpeg was even slightly superior to the G9. But there are very few examples. Therefore, I wanted to hear different opinions.

Tool Crazy

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Joined Jul 5, 2018 Messages 501 Location Covina, California I have both the G85 and the G9 and love both of them. Image quality is not much different from either and I'd bet anyone would have a hard time finding any difference in image quality between the G95 and G9. So since the G95 is basically a G85 with 20mp sensor and few extra video codecs and flat profiles, I'd say go for the G9 since it has better extra features like vastly superior IBIS, top plate LCD which comes in very handy (something you won't notice until you actually own one but you'd be accustomed to if coming from other brands that have them like Canikon), AF thumb joystick and high res mode. Also you can get these for less than a G95 if bought used. Only reason I can think of to get the G95 would be if you wanted a smaller lighter body and needed unlimited video recording time and flat video profiles but you said you were buying either for stills so G9 all the way unless again, you need a smaller lighter body with less features.

archaeopteryx

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Tool Crazy said: vastly superior IBIS Click to expand...

Citation needed, I think. The G85, G9, and G95 all have five axis IBIS and support dual IS 2. Panasonic claims 6.5 stops for dual IS on the G9 with the Panasonic-Leica 12-60 mm at 60 mm and 5 stops on the G85 and G95 with the Panasonic 14-140 mm at 140 mm, all under under the CIPA yaw/pitch standard. Panasonic has indicated 6.5 stops is not possible by the G9 at 140 mm and, as roll is excluded from the specification, any remaining difference is potentially attributable to changes in lens. I'm not aware of any sufficiently well controlled stabilization tests to make more specific attributions, hence the curiosity.

Tool Crazy said: you won't notice until you actually own one but you'd be accustomed to if coming from other brands that have them like Canikon Click to expand...

This is something which varies depending on individual preference and what one's using a camera for. Personally, I've used bodies both with and without top LCDs and found little to no difference between looking at a top LCD and a rear LCD for general nature photography.

Tool Crazy

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archaeopteryx said: Citation needed, I think. The G85, G9, and G95 all have five axis IBIS and support dual IS 2. Panasonic claims 6.5 stops for dual IS on the G9 with the Panasonic-Leica 12-60 mm at 60 mm and 5 stops on the G85 and G95 with the Panasonic 14-140 mm at 140 mm, all under under the CIPA yaw/pitch standard. Panasonic has indicated 6.5 stops is not possible by the G9 at 140 mm and, as roll is excluded from the specification, any remaining difference is potentially attributable to changes in lens. I'm not aware of any sufficiently well controlled stabilization tests to make more specific attributions, hence the curiosity. This is something which varies depending on individual preference and what one's using a camera for. Personally, I've used bodies both with and without top LCDs and found little to no difference between looking at a top LCD and a rear LCD for general nature photography. Click to expand...

Clearly you don't own both. My words are from someone that owns both cameras and has pushed both cameras Ibis systems to the limit regularly. Paper specs will serve you no purpose if trying to compare each other's Ibis systems. As for the top plate lcd, it sounds like while you may have used them in the past, you haven't really appreciated them. Before getting the g9, I didn't know what to think about it. It's not the reason I got that particular camera but personally, after trying it out love it. It's not something that's needed but after trying out you end up finding out how useful it is for setting and checking settings without having to look at the cameras viewfinders. Plus I use my camera with the rear lcd flipped inward and mainly use the evf. The top plate lcd helps me check and adjust settings on the fly without having to bring the camera up to my eye each time. As I mentioned earlier, it's one of those things you won't know how useful it is until you actually have one to use and use it.

oldracer

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Tool Crazy said: Clearly you don't own both. My words are from someone that owns both cameras and has pushed both cameras Ibis systems to the limit regularly. Paper specs will serve you no purpose if trying to compare each other's Ibis systems. As for the top plate lcd, it sounds like while you may have used them in the past, you haven't really appreciated them. Before getting the g9, I didn't know what to think about it. It's not the reason I got that particular camera but personally, after trying it out love it. It's not something that's needed but after trying out you end up finding out how useful it is for setting and checking settings without having to look at the cameras viewfinders. Plus I use my camera with the rear lcd flipped inward and mainly use the evf. The top plate lcd helps me check and adjust settings on the fly without having to bring the camera up to my eye each time. As I mentioned earlier, it's one of those things you won't know how useful it is until you actually have one to use and use it. Click to expand...

Quite interesting. The humility is especially striking. Do you ever take any photographs?

Tool Crazy

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oldracer said: Quite interesting. The humility is especially striking. Do you ever take any photographs? Click to expand...

Why thank you! You been under a rock lately? S

snaimpally

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Joined Dec 31, 2012 Messages 1,336 The G9 is more photo-centric while the G90/95 is more video-centric. The latter is a little smaller, partly because it doesn't have the small top display (which is a great feature of the G9). I don't think you can wrong with either - the sensor is the same in both. The G9 has been around longer and so you can pick it up used at very good prices. I own the G9 and love it. The ergonomics and design are excellent. I bought my G9 before the G90/95 came out - if I had to do it all over again, I probably would have got it because its a bit smaller and because of the absence of the video time limitation.

Turbofrog

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snaimpally said: The G9 is more photo-centric while the G90/95 is more video-centric. Click to expand...

I don't really understand this categorization, to be honest. Yes, the G95 will shoot with no time limits, and has a sort of crippled 8-bit V-LogL profile included, but the G9 shoots no-crop video, and can shoot in 4K/60p. The G9 is actually one of the best video cameras on the market, right next to the GH5, it's just that it was marketed as being more "photo-centric" because too many people seemed to think that you can't shoot photos on the GH5, when in fact it's very good for that, too. If I was very much into video, I would probably pick the G9 instead of the G95 every time...

Michael Meissner

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Turbofrog said: If I was very much into video, I would probably pick the G9 instead of the G95 every time... Click to expand...

I imagine it depends on how often you run into the time limit. I record live events (mostly a favor to friends not as a professional videographer), and often the event does not end in a convenient 30 minute slot. If you are only shooting scripted material where you are doing multiple takes and editing things together for the final video, then it is not as much of an issue. For example my niece got married a year ago, and they had no money for either stills or video. Her aunt provided the stills, and I did the video for them (using my G85 which has no limits and the LX10 as the b-camera which also does not have limits other than a smaller battery). During the main ceremony, the service went to 35 minutes. Going in you have no idea how long it is going to be, and some ministers/rabbis/shaman/priests/etc. can talk for awhile. I record shows for a friend, and it is a lot easier to record his entire show (1.5 hours) and break things up later between acts, rather than trying to anticipate where the break is (I've not seen the particular incarnation of the show that is being presented before, and the show is only done once). I record performers at a local renaissance faire, and I've had performers I've recorded many times, decide to add new verses to songs which can sometimes make it trickier to split the recording when recording live. I also had one or two performers that used up their entire 1/2 hour time slot and go into the next performer's slot by a few minutes (similar to the wedding). That being said, given there is an 'unofficial' method of removing the video limit on the G9, I tend to feel the G9 might be a better camera to use if/when I upgrade the G85, providing I can afford the extra $200 or so to update the batteries and grip for the G9, and using the slightly bigger/heavier camera is fine. If Panasonic USA did not force buying the 12-60mm f/4-5.6 lens with the G95, and dropped the price $100-200 for the camera without lens, it would make a better separation between the two. But of course the lens issue only affects those of us doing an upgrade. If there was somebody new that had no micro 4/3rds gear, then the G9 and G95 are at different price points, because you need to add a lens to the G9 to complete the kit. Last edited: Sep 9, 2019 P

PippoPippo

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Joined Sep 17, 2019 Messages 2 Hi all this is my first post, but I have something to say on G95, because I was in the market for a new m4/3 body. Current price in EU for body only are: - 450 EUR for G80 - 900 EUR for G90 - 1100 EUR for G9 (edited the error) I deem that current price for G90 is too much high compared with G80 and G9. Very likely this is the reason why there are not so much opinions from real users, but only "reviews" which are made by specific users (DPR, Youtubers or others like these). I just bought a G80 because I deem that currently has a very good price / quality ratio. And it fits perfectly in my hands. Just IMHO Last edited: Sep 18, 2019

CyVan

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Michael Meissner said: That being said, given there is an 'unofficial' method of removing the video limit on the G9, I tend to feel the G9 might be a better camera to use if/when I upgrade the G85, providing I can afford the extra $200 or so to update the batteries and grip for the G9, and using the slightly bigger/heavier camera is fine. Click to expand...

That method supposedly doens't work with the latest firmware (1.3) and according to a member who worked in a Panasonic service center and seen the results himself, it leads to damage of the sensor over time so its not recommended.

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