What Would Be The Ideal Amp For Celestion G12H30 55hz Speakers?

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• Start date May 15, 2018

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Dannyz

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Messages 2,992 Im guessing, what amp/brand/model would be the most suitable to drive a pair (or four) of Celestion G12H30 55hz bass cone Heritage Speakers? Marshall 68´ Plexi? Metalface?.

batsbrew

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Messages 7,629 i use one in an open backed 1x12, with a '82 mesa boogie mark IIb head to great advantage.

GCDEF

Silver Supporting Member Messages 29,404 That's a strange way to look at it. What features do you want? What type of sound? B

BADHAK

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Messages 12,202 I have a 77 slant with 55hz 30 watt Blackbacks on top and V30's on bottom and it sounds great with my vintage 2203's and Ceriatone 2203. The other day I used it with my Orange Rockerverb 50 mkii and the cabs brightness complimented and cancelled out the amps low mid focus. When the cab was all Blackbacks (2 developed buzzes) it sounded even better. Instant Powerage era ACDC.

sickboy79

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Messages 15,467 I have a late 70s Marshall cab with 55hz Blackback G12H30s. Sounds fantastic with just about all my amps. Marshalls, Fenders, boutiques, etc. H

highrise

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Messages 3,840 I had a 212 with a H30 and g12-25 Sounded great with everything from vintage Fenders to Trainwreck clones, to Diezels. Great speaker with a ton of volume and clarity.

Dannyz

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GCDEF said: That's a strange way to look at it. What features do you want? What type of sound? Click to expand...

I was thinkin what amp´s tonestack would compliment better the inherent tone of G12H30s with bass/low resonance cones. J

jimijimmyjeffy

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Messages 12,565 Something with strong mids and weak bass, like a tight superlead? That's if you want to tilt it toward a strong bass with decent and sweeter highs. That speaker will not have the mids of an M magnet 55hz, but it should have excellent bass response. I wouldn't want it as much for a fatter scooped amp, unless you wanted your amp to be more those ways. It will have a big sound. Last edited: May 15, 2018

IM4Tone

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Messages 3,769 Sure seem like a 'backwards' question to me! I mean, Who gets speakers first, then searches for an amp to go with them?

Dannyz

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IM4Tone said: I mean, Who gets speakers first, then searches for an amp to go with them? Click to expand...

Me. Lol ive got my 4x12 1960tv then my first "real" tube amp (a ptp 50w 67/69 Plexi replica). Before that i had a Laney Cub10, Cub12 and Marshall SL5 that i ran into the 4x12 with greenbacks. I guess i started my tone path backwards lol. Back to the topic, ive read that Heritage 55hz Greenbacks replicate the speakers that came into 4x12s around 68´/73´, then the 4x12 cabs came with Greybacks and blackbacks speakers with Kurt Mueller cones (1777). So... a late 60s/early 70s Plexi would be the ideal amp for these speakers? J

jimijimmyjeffy

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Messages 12,565 You need to learn what makes speakers sound the way they do and compare that to the amp, in terms of bass, mids and highs. Does your rig need more or less bass, mids or highs? That is how you match an amp with speakers. Also, power handling, reaction to high gain, and efficiency. Early 55hz speakers were usually M magnet, not H magnet, AFAIK. Later the H's became popular.

big mike

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Platinum Supporting Member Messages 17,087 Weird way to look at it for sure. but hey it's your deal. Me, I'd drive those with a plexi. Either lead or bass. Dimed. Cranked. Playing Montrose 'Space Station #5'. Right Jim? @Scumback Speakers

Scumback Speakers

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big mike said: Weird way to look at it for sure. but hey it's your deal. Me, I'd drive those with a plexi. Either lead or bass. Dimed. Cranked. Playing Montrose 'Space Station #5'. Right Jim? @Scumback Speakers Click to expand...

I believe it was the 71 SuperLead into the H55 65w 4x12 that sent that 11 year old kid running from the room in fear when I played that song at the 2013 LA Amp Show. I know we all laughed our butts off!

big mike

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Scumback Speakers said: I believe it was the 71 SuperLead into the H55 65w 4x12 that sent that 11 year old kid running from the room in fear when I played that song at the 2013 LA Amp Show. I know we all laughed our butts off! Click to expand...

(and we broke up the meeting in the conference room upstairs....)

Scumback Speakers

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big mike said: (and we broke up the meeting in the conference room upstairs....) Click to expand...

Oh yeah...hee hee. I just sent Loni my down payment for the show this year. Hmm, that gives me an idea. LOL

Humble Texan Fan

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Dannyz said: Im guessing, what amp/brand/model would be the most suitable to drive a pair (or four) of Celestion G12H30 55hz bass cone Heritage Speakers? Marshall 68´ Plexi? Metalface?. Click to expand...

I could see why some would find it a bit backwards. The bass resonance G12H has this fluidity to it, as can be found in Jimi Hendrix later recordings using the JTM 45/100, for instance. Clapton, Blackmore and Page are known for having used the original. It's not a speaker to cut through a mix, that's for sure, although it does put out more highs than the lead cone one.

big mike

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Humble Texan Fan said: , although it does put out more highs than the lead cone one. Click to expand...

Huh? That doesn't make sense.

zos

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big mike said: Huh? That doesn't make sense. Click to expand...

That's because it's wrong, they put out slightly less highs and are much sweeter . Last edited: May 17, 2018

Humble Texan Fan

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big mike said: Huh? That doesn't make sense. Click to expand...

Rather frequent misconception, so no grief. I used to have the physics down on why this is, but seems to have eluded my mind just now. But a lower resonace typically makes for a wider range. You have to realise that the resonance of a speaker merely alters the focus of said speaker, not its actual range. A common complaint about bass resonance speakers is that they indeed sound rather harsh on top, despite being perceived as darker. And if one was to indulge oneself in the plot supplied by Celestion for this speaker, one would find that at 1W it actually puts out more highs than the lead cone version at 1W. Smoother mids, for sure, but still brighter. Furthermore: the resonant frequency listed for a cone is that measured in free-air conditions. There's no telling of the real world figures. The actual operating resonant frequency of a lead cone and that of a bass cone speaker could infact be made identical. And the most bottom heavy speakers I've been in contact with had a free-air resonant frequency of 85Hz listed - obviously severely lacking control below Fs, making them quite boomy sounding.

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