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Áruházi oldal Statisztikák: Globális teljesítmények War Thunder > Általános témák > Téma részletei Lain Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 5., 21:55 When do japanese tanks get playable??? I'm currently in tier 1, and I die with the slightest breath of the the wind, when do these tanks get at least playable? Any advice? < > 1–15/25 megjegyzés mutatása Illusionyary Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 5., 22:07 They're playable from the start, the Ha-Gos are good fun. Ke-Ni too.They get better once you get the Chi-Ha Kai, Chi-He and Chi-Nu though. The Chi-To is one of the best tanks in the game for its tier. #1 Saviliana Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 5., 22:12 All are playable if you got yourself a handful of Golden Eagles to get all the Gold Lightblubs to research the tech trees and have enough Silver Lions to get the vehical you want to play with. #2 CaptainBadger Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 5., 22:31 I'll just post something I jotted down earlier."Japanese: This nation has some of the only tanks I will say are actually useless, but also some of the tanks that are my personal favorites on the Axis side. The Japanese are not as useless as people would have you believe; yes, their early tanks are mostly useless with the exceptions of the Ha-Go, Ho-Ro, and Chi-Ha Kai, but once you get past Era II, things start to drastically improve for the Japanese. A stellar example of this would be the Chi-To, a tank that has such ludicrous killing power it's really quite absurd. The thing about Japanese tanks is that they start out bad, something that the German tanks don't do, but when they improve, they IMPROVE. The Chi-To is an example of this in regards to its gun. Japanese tanks follow the German design philosophy of range and accuracy over close-in brawling potential, but they add Russian killing power to the mix for a truly devastating combination that has not failed to put a smile on my face whenever I use them. The Chi-To's gun uses APHE ammunition, which essentially means it has a high-penetration HE shell that WILL kill anything you hit with it unless you really botch the shot."Let us also not forget how Japanese tanks at high tiers get hydraulic suspension. Legutóbb szerkesztette: CaptainBadger; 2017. ápr. 5., 22:32 #3 Solaire of Astora Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 5., 23:03

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:I'll just post something I jotted down earlier."Japanese: This nation has some of the only tanks I will say are actually useless, but also some of the tanks that are my personal favorites on the Axis side. The Japanese are not as useless as people would have you believe; yes, their early tanks are mostly useless with the exceptions of the Ha-Go, Ho-Ro, and Chi-Ha Kai, but once you get past Era II, things start to drastically improve for the Japanese. A stellar example of this would be the Chi-To, a tank that has such ludicrous killing power it's really quite absurd. The thing about Japanese tanks is that they start out bad, something that the German tanks don't do, but when they improve, they IMPROVE. The Chi-To is an example of this in regards to its gun. Japanese tanks follow the German design philosophy of range and accuracy over close-in brawling potential, but they add Russian killing power to the mix for a truly devastating combination that has not failed to put a smile on my face whenever I use them. The Chi-To's gun uses APHE ammunition, which essentially means it has a high-penetration HE shell that WILL kill anything you hit with it unless you really botch the shot."Let us also not forget how Japanese tanks at high tiers get hydraulic suspension.

You seem to have conveniently forgot to mention how bad tier 4 japan is other than the one expection which is the type 60. As well as forgetting to mention the ridiculous repair costs of japanese air vehicles in RB ground or just in general which makes them unplayable.(Because I just like eating a 50k+ repair bill for my r2y2 after being chased down by a bearcat). Legutóbb szerkesztette: Solaire of Astora; 2017. ápr. 6., 22:15 #4 CaptainBadger Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 5., 23:24

Solaire of Astora eredeti hozzászólása:

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:I'll just post something I jotted down earlier."Japanese: This nation has some of the only tanks I will say are actually useless, but also some of the tanks that are my personal favorites on the Axis side. The Japanese are not as useless as people would have you believe; yes, their early tanks are mostly useless with the exceptions of the Ha-Go, Ho-Ro, and Chi-Ha Kai, but once you get past Era II, things start to drastically improve for the Japanese. A stellar example of this would be the Chi-To, a tank that has such ludicrous killing power it's really quite absurd. The thing about Japanese tanks is that they start out bad, something that the German tanks don't do, but when they improve, they IMPROVE. The Chi-To is an example of this in regards to its gun. Japanese tanks follow the German design philosophy of range and accuracy over close-in brawling potential, but they add Russian killing power to the mix for a truly devastating combination that has not failed to put a smile on my face whenever I use them. The Chi-To's gun uses APHE ammunition, which essentially means it has a high-penetration HE shell that WILL kill anything you hit with it unless you really botch the shot."Let us also not forget how Japanese tanks at high tiers get hydraulic suspension.

You seem have to conveniently forgot to mention how bad tier 4 japan is other than the one expection which is the type 61. As well as forgetting to mention the ridiculous repair costs of japanese air vehicles in RB ground or just in general which makes them unplayable.(Because I just like eating a 50k+ repair bill for my r2y2 after being chased down by a bearcat).

I have no idea what you're talking about with Era IV Japan being terrible, I do just fine so long as I snipe and stay the Hell away from other tanks. Regarding repair costs, I've been playing this game from since it was air only and not even on Steam, and I've never once noticed repair costs being an issue. #5 Kiwibom Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 5., 23:45

Soviet Spy)) eredeti hozzászólása:I'm currently in tier 1, and I die with the slightest breath of the the wind, when do these tanks get at least playable? Any advice?

don t rush with those tanks because they have very little armor and low penetrating guns try to flank the enemy #6 Solaire of Astora Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 0:06

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:

Solaire of Astora eredeti hozzászólása:You seem have to conveniently forgot to mention how bad tier 4 japan is other than the one expection which is the type 61. As well as forgetting to mention the ridiculous repair costs of japanese air vehicles in RB ground or just in general which makes them unplayable.(Because I just like eating a 50k+ repair bill for my r2y2 after being chased down by a bearcat).

I have no idea what you're talking about with Era IV Japan being terrible, I do just fine so long as I snipe and stay the Hell away from other tanks. Regarding repair costs, I've been playing this game from since it was air only and not even on Steam, and I've never once noticed repair costs being an issue.

https://gyazo.com/d9971df371539146c47a55f04ac68f3dHere as seen in this gyazo link is a nice example of a japanese aircraft that costs over 50k in SLs to repair. Meaning that even if you have a premium account such as myself you lose money each time you play it and someone just so happens to clip your wing.Lets also wind back on your fallacy of "Well if you go hide and do nothing the entire match then you MAY have a chance of not dying." Please tell me how successful you are with that tactical since I know doing that doesn't bring in the XP needed to actually advance into higher tier of vehicles unless you are paying for it with your wallet. Legutóbb szerkesztette: Solaire of Astora; 2017. ápr. 6., 0:11 #7 Eftwyrd Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 1:03

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:

Solaire of Astora eredeti hozzászólása:https://gyazo.com/d9971df371539146c47a55f04ac68f3dHere as seen in this gyazo link is a nice example of a japanese aircraft that costs over 50k in SLs to repair. Meaning that even if you have a premium account such as myself you lose money each time you play it and someone just so happens to clip your wing.Lets also wind back on your fallacy of "Well if you go hide and do nothing the entire match then you MAY have a chance of not dying." Please tell me how successful you are with that tactical since I know doing that doesn't bring in the XP needed to actually advance into higher tier of vehicles unless you are paying for it with your wallet.

My my, so aggressive, it's almost as if you were trying to prove me wrong about something.First, if you'd even bothered to do more than glance over my previous two posts.

just going to jump in here and point out his whole point about teir 4 being bad specifically refered to air if you had bothered to even glance over the post you so quickly dismissed. Air was included in the argument and you jumping to dimiss his points without actually having noticed the direction of his argument is what led to your misunderstandinng here and not any misunderstanding of his Legutóbb szerkesztette: Eftwyrd; 2017. ápr. 6., 1:04 #8 Solaire of Astora Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 1:14

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:

Solaire of Astora eredeti hozzászólása:https://gyazo.com/d9971df371539146c47a55f04ac68f3dHere as seen in this gyazo link is a nice example of a japanese aircraft that costs over 50k in SLs to repair. Meaning that even if you have a premium account such as myself you lose money each time you play it and someone just so happens to clip your wing.Lets also wind back on your fallacy of "Well if you go hide and do nothing the entire match then you MAY have a chance of not dying." Please tell me how successful you are with that tactical since I know doing that doesn't bring in the XP needed to actually advance into higher tier of vehicles unless you are paying for it with your wallet.

My my, so aggressive, it's almost as if you were trying to prove me wrong about something.First, if you'd even bothered to do more than glance over my previous two posts, you would have noticed that I never ONCE even mentioned aircraft. This is because I do not play aircraft, I play tanks, I play tanks in Sim ONLY, and I like to consider myself decent enough to know what I'm talking about with 3,000 hours in the game and 4 years of watching the game change, evolve, and grow.As for my "fallacy" of "going and hiding and doing nothing the entire match with the CHANCE of not dying", I will say that you'd be amazed what a flanking position or ambush spot will do for you when carefully thought out and executed. I've completed matches with over 7 kills to my name when there were barely 8 enemy players becuse I did one, simple thing. I didn't get greedy.Getting greedy in Japanese tanks is the fast-track to deathsville, something that Sim as a mode (and even RB in some cases) will teach you can be applied to a great many tanks in the game when you have very little armor to your name. When you have paper-thin armor, you instead have to use the fantastic gun you are given along with excellent mobility to neutralize hostile vehicles from where they do not expect you. Two worthy examples of what I'm talking about would be the Type 61 medium tank and the Type 60 SPRG.Both of these vehicles find armor to be at a premium, but that doesn't matter when you have a gun (two in the case of the Type 60) that has ammunition capable of penetrating over 300mm's of armor. Nor does it matter when you are incredibly small and fast, as is the case with the Type 60, or simply fast with excellent gun depression and mobility, as is the case with the Type 61.I am incredibly successful with my strategy of "hiding and doing nothing" because I AM doing something. I'm projecting area denial, and any tank that moves into my sights has a 90% chance of instant death from HEAT-FS ammunition. Hell, I'll use the M82 APCBC shell when I feel like giving myself a challenge because I find it spices things up. Japanese tanks are snipers, and damn good at it too. They're SUPPOSED to find a good position and "sit and do nothing" because by doing so, they're not exposing themselves to enemy fire that is guaranteed to delete them. Rather, by doing this they are projecting the fear of God into enemy tankers who know and respect what a good Japanese tanker can do when he uses the mobility and firepower offered by Japanese Era IV tanks.In summary, I'm not saying that Era IV Japanese tanks are easy to use, they're some of the most challenging and user UNfriendly tanks in the game, but when used correctly, they are a force to be reckoned with. Next time, stop coming across like an arrogant prick unless you want the same treatment by someone who actually knows what they're talking about.Good day to you sir.

TL;DR, you did actually comment on my claim to aircraft when I then promptly debunked your claim. So your entire time was just wasted typing that masssive page long comment you made toward my previous post. Good job.So to turn your own words against you once more, thanks for reading my original post. #9 CaptainBadger Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 1:28

Solaire of Astora eredeti hozzászólása:

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:My my, so aggressive, it's almost as if you were trying to prove me wrong about something.First, if you'd even bothered to do more than glance over my previous two posts, you would have noticed that I never ONCE even mentioned aircraft. This is because I do not play aircraft, I play tanks, I play tanks in Sim ONLY, and I like to consider myself decent enough to know what I'm talking about with 3,000 hours in the game and 4 years of watching the game change, evolve, and grow.As for my "fallacy" of "going and hiding and doing nothing the entire match with the CHANCE of not dying", I will say that you'd be amazed what a flanking position or ambush spot will do for you when carefully thought out and executed. I've completed matches with over 7 kills to my name when there were barely 8 enemy players becuse I did one, simple thing. I didn't get greedy.Getting greedy in Japanese tanks is the fast-track to deathsville, something that Sim as a mode (and even RB in some cases) will teach you can be applied to a great many tanks in the game when you have very little armor to your name. When you have paper-thin armor, you instead have to use the fantastic gun you are given along with excellent mobility to neutralize hostile vehicles from where they do not expect you. Two worthy examples of what I'm talking about would be the Type 61 medium tank and the Type 60 SPRG.Both of these vehicles find armor to be at a premium, but that doesn't matter when you have a gun (two in the case of the Type 60) that has ammunition capable of penetrating over 300mm's of armor. Nor does it matter when you are incredibly small and fast, as is the case with the Type 60, or simply fast with excellent gun depression and mobility, as is the case with the Type 61.I am incredibly successful with my strategy of "hiding and doing nothing" because I AM doing something. I'm projecting area denial, and any tank that moves into my sights has a 90% chance of instant death from HEAT-FS ammunition. Hell, I'll use the M82 APCBC shell when I feel like giving myself a challenge because I find it spices things up. Japanese tanks are snipers, and damn good at it too. They're SUPPOSED to find a good position and "sit and do nothing" because by doing so, they're not exposing themselves to enemy fire that is guaranteed to delete them. Rather, by doing this they are projecting the fear of God into enemy tankers who know and respect what a good Japanese tanker can do when he uses the mobility and firepower offered by Japanese Era IV tanks.In summary, I'm not saying that Era IV Japanese tanks are easy to use, they're some of the most challenging and user UNfriendly tanks in the game, but when used correctly, they are a force to be reckoned with. Next time, stop coming across like an arrogant prick unless you want the same treatment by someone who actually knows what they're talking about.Good day to you sir.

TL;DR, you did actually comment on my claim to aircraft when I then promptly debunked your claim. So your entire time was just wasted typing that masssive page long comment you made toward my previous post. Good job.So to turn your own words against you once more, thanks for reading my original post.

You came in with your original post talking about how Era IV Japanese tanks are bad, then you tried to twist it over to aircraft, which isn't even what this thread is about. I only responded to your statement about repair costs because I know it's patently ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Why do I know this? Because I play top-tier tanks every day, and not once have I noticed repair costs despite hearing constant bellyaching from people about how "intolerably high" they are.You have been nothing but condescending and an arrogant, toxic presence, and the fact that you didn't even bother to read my entire post before replying tells me all I need to know about your personality. Not only that, but you came into a thread where the OP was clearly asking a question about Era IV TANKS, not AIRCRAFT. If you're going to complain about aircraft, make your own thread, but don't try to hiijack this one.Don't even try to say I use premium either, the last time I paid for that was in early 2013. I haven't touched it since. Legutóbb szerkesztette: CaptainBadger; 2017. ápr. 6., 22:34 #10 CaptainBadger Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 1:35

Eftwyrd eredeti hozzászólása:

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:My my, so aggressive, it's almost as if you were trying to prove me wrong about something.First, if you'd even bothered to do more than glance over my previous two posts.

just going to jump in here and point out his whole point about teir 4 being bad specifically refered to air if you had bothered to even glance over the post you so quickly dismissed. Air was included in the argument and you jumping to dimiss his points without actually having noticed the direction of his argument is what led to your misunderstandinng here and not any misunderstanding of his

He did not specifically refer to air. As I quote "You seem to have conveniently forgot to mention how bad tier 4 japan is other than the one expection which is the type 61."Here he is clearly trying to say that all of Japan's Era IV tanks are terrible save for just the one, a statement that is patently false.Air was included in the argument, but the only thing I replied to regarding that was the repair costs because they are a universal thing in WT, not exclusive to air. I noticed the direction of his argument, which didn't matter because this is a thread about Japanese tanks, not aircraft. If he's going to whine about aircraft, he can take all of 30 seconds to make his own thread on it, not hiijack this one. #11 Eftwyrd Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 3:55

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:He did not specifically refer to air.

Yes he very much did:

Solaire of Astora eredeti hozzászólása: As well as forgetting to mention the ridiculous repair costs of japanese air vehicles in RB ground or just in general which makes them unplayable.(Because I just like eating a 50k+ repair bill for my r2y2 after being chased down by a bearcat).

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:I noticed the direction of his argument, which didn't matter because this is a thread about Japanese tanks, not aircraft. If he's going to whine about aircraft, he can take all of 30 seconds to make his own thread on it, not hiijack this one.

CAS is an important factor in ground forces for RB and SB so its a perfectly reasonable avenue of discussion that japanese tankers cant afford CAS which effects their viability.viability being the keyword and actual subject of this discussionso i think you need to look in a mirror:

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:My my, so aggressive, it's almost as if you were trying to prove me wrong about something.First, if you'd even bothered to do more than glance over my previous two posts

perhaps if you had read his posts and stopped being so agressive yourself.... Legutóbb szerkesztette: Eftwyrd; 2017. ápr. 6., 4:07 #12 Lain Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 21:40 I really wanted some advice and not an argument, smh... #13 Vriz Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 21:45

Soviet Spy)) eredeti hozzászólása:I really wanted some advice and not an argument, smh...

Playable for me is when Japanese Tanks can be competitive, which starts at the Chi-To and M4A3... then dies at Tier 4 completely until the STB-1. #14 Eftwyrd Profil megnézése Hozzászólások megnézése 2017. ápr. 6., 21:59

CaptainBadger eredeti hozzászólása:

Piggy eredeti hozzászólása:OP wants a simble bloody answer, not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ novel of you 2 fighting.

I provided an answer, that's all I ever wanted to provide, but I've seen too many people try to hiijack threads to tolerate it any longer.

and you ended up derailing the thread just as bad if not worse than the other guy would have with his tangential but still somewhat relevant point. there would have been far less mess if you had just left it and reported if things had really become derailed but instead you made things worse for everyone else Legutóbb szerkesztette: Eftwyrd; 2017. ápr. 6., 22:05 #15 < > 1–15/25 megjegyzés mutatása Laponként: 1530 50 War Thunder > Általános témák > Téma részletei Közzétéve: 2017. ápr. 5., 21:55Hozzászólások: 25 Hozzászólási szabályok és irányelvek

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