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03-11-2019, 12:30 PM	#1
ted99 Lieutenant 259Rep 539Posts Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	X5 45e vs. Audi e-Tron I have an X5 40e whose lease tolls Nov 2020. I have the $1000 refundable deposit on the full electric Audi e-Tron, to preserve the option of going that way. The weight for the two cars is about the same. The e-Tron is about the size of the Audi Q8, which means that the X5 is a smidgen larger. I like the looks of the Audi a little better--mostly the grill and taper to the rear. "Slight" nod to the Audi interior, but not enough to sway a decision. Both will be available when I need them. The reported electric range of the 2020 X5 45e is around 40 miles real use (as contrasted to the 50mi European rating). That will fill 100% of my daily local use. (the electric range for the 2020 PHEV X3, 5-series and 3-series is low 20's and that's not enough for 100%) I then have the excellent B58 6 cyl motor for inter-city use, and if my results with my current X5 40e are an indicator, I'll get 35 MPG. The interesting thing is that the total weight for the two are close to the same. The weight of the extra battery in the e-Tron is about the same as the weight of the 6 cyl ICE drivetrain. That extra battery in the e-Tron gives about 240 miles of range, after which I need to charge for about 20 min at a 150KW Electrify America station for an 80% charge for 200 miles of range. By 2020, the Electrify America charging stations will be about 80 mi apart on major Interstates. The PHEV battery and fuel tank in my 2018 X5 40e gives over 600 miles of range on a road trip--far in excess of my bladder range and a typical day of travel for a 10 min fuel stop. I specced both cars the same: Full leather interior, ALL the electronic bells and whistles and creature comforts. Nothing left to choose between them. The USA order sheet is not out, yet, for the X5 45e, so I used the 2019 X5 40i as a stalking horse. The 40i can only be specced to one-axle air suspension, whereas the e-Tron has both axles. But, the 45e is reported to come standard with two-axle air. The e-Tron prices out at about $83K MSRP, and I don't expect ANY discounts. The BMW X5 40i prices out at about $76K. How much more will the X5 45e have added to this price? BMW made price parity between it's 5-series 530i and 530e. Will they do the same for the X5 40i to the X5 45e, after allowing for the extra axle of air suspension? After expected discounts, I can see the BMW X5 45e being $10K less than the e-Tron. That's no contest when considering the better usability of the BMW. Might be different in 2023, but that is then and this is now.
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03-11-2019, 12:39 PM	#2
AndroidRobot Major General 4353Rep 6,118Posts Drives: 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0) Garage List [0.00]2022 Porsche Boxste ... [0.00]	No to the E Tron since range will be awful in reality edit: I refuse to believe there will be enough charging stations a Foss the country for this to be viable in 2020 plus you can only fast charge so much before the battery hits a point where it will degrade much faster ie no more fast charging. 200miles of range is also subjective because real life range is much different __________________ 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Gentian Blue 2023 Porsche Spyder Python Green (on order) 2022 BMW M3 Comp AWD IOMG/Kyalami Orange (SOLD) 2018 BMW M2 Mineral Grey(SOLD) 2019 BMW X5 50i Carbon Black/Tartufo (SOLD)
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03-11-2019, 01:30 PM	#3
Auricom Brigadier General 4430Rep 4,246Posts Drives: 2020 X5 xDrive40i M Sport Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: DMV iTrader: (0)	1-axle air suspension isn't an option on G05 X5s, only 2-axle. You are correct, xDrive45e iPerformance is fitted as standard with a two-axle air suspension and electronically controlled dampers. The optional suspension systems available for the plug-in hybrid model include integral active steering. https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1532990 __________________ Current BMWs - '20 X5 xDrive40i M Sport, '20 BMW M550i | Past BMWs - '03 E39 540iT M Sport, '06 E53 4.8is, '11 E70 M Sport LCI
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03-11-2019, 03:03 PM	#4
TurtleBoy General 17448Rep 24,517Posts Drives: 2019 X5 40i,2021 M340i Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Colorado iTrader: (0)	I think a big determiner is how many long distance/cross country trips do you make and do you have a lot of time to make them? I briefly looked at the e-Tron but once I planned out our annual trip to PA saw it would probably add almost two days driving each way due to stopping and recharging I dismissed it. IMO, in theory all-electric is good but only really practical at this point for local/semi-local driving.
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03-11-2019, 05:14 PM	#5
MystroX5 Major General 6865Rep 5,725Posts Drives: X7M50i/911/GTI/PW Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Central Pa. iTrader: (0)	This is why my rual area has very few Tesla’s. I only see them close to large cities. I can’t even imagine the horror of taking one on a long trip like I just did. As soon as they can get a full charge in about the same 15 minutes it takes to pump a full tank of gas, it will only be a novelty. Add on the environmental impact for mercury battery disposal and caustic creation of the batteries. Then the were and how the additional electricity is made at the charging stations and there is nothing “green” about this technology when looking at it from every angle. You give up petroleum for electricity that’s generated by a coal fired power plant. Last edited by MystroX5; 03-11-2019 at 05:24 PM..
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03-11-2019, 05:18 PM	#6
deadlion Private 23Rep 62Posts Drives: 2019 G05 40i MSport (PCD) Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: NC, USA iTrader: (0)	I had a 2018 530e with advertised 30 e-miles but it consistently only charged to 17-18. Turn on the heat or AC and drop 2 or 3, I'd be down 4 miles of range before leaving the neighborhood - modest distance. I am excited about the 45e but worry that real range will be only 25-28. On the bright side the 530e averaged 50 e-mpg (combined). However, after we added the Tesla 3 and could charge to 310 miles overnight it left me wanting for the BMW to deliver more range. Have you considered the 2020 Tesla Model Y (to be revealed Mar 14)? Reportedly, it will be built on the Model 3 platform and should deliver reliable 250-300 range (est). Now, in owning both, and having owned an Audi A4, the interior quality of the German-based autos makes the Tesla's seem spartan, in part due to their design philosophy (no leather stitching patterns, single screen display instead of multiple screens or buttons, more road noise, etc). But the true range and forward-thinking tech is compelling. __________________ 2019 BMW X5 40i (PCD) 2018 Tesla Model 3 2018 BMW 530e Hybrid (early return) 1990 BMW 735i 1984 BMW 533i (missing it)
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03-11-2019, 05:43 PM	#7
ted99 Lieutenant 259Rep 539Posts Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by AndroidRobot No to the E Tron since range will be awful in reality edit: I refuse to believe there will be enough charging stations a Foss the country for this to be viable in 2020 plus you can only fast charge so much before the battery hits a point where it will degrade much faster ie no more fast charging. 200miles of range is also subjective because real life range is much different The fast charge is to 80% to reduce strain on battery. Battery warranty is 8 years of fast charging. Range is 240 miles on 100% battery, assume 200 mi on 80% charge. Unless you are climbing mountains or driving in 20 degree weather, the stated range is a good number for 100% to 0%. But, no actual electric car owner would ever do that. If you have ever actually owned an electric car, you would know that you never get close to 0% if there is any way to avoid it. So, an actual owner would probably only shoot for 160 miles, or every other Electrify America charging station. Look up Electrify America and check out the stations currently under construction, then look at the ones to be built in 2020.
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03-11-2019, 05:49 PM	#8
ted99 Lieutenant 259Rep 539Posts Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by Auricom 1-axle air suspension isn't an option on G05 X5s, only 2-axle. You are correct, xDrive45e iPerformance is fitted as standard with a two-axle air suspension and electronically controlled dampers. The optional suspension systems available for the plug-in hybrid model include integral active steering. https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1532990 The BMW configurator I used only said one-axle air suspension. Yea, the presser says the 45e will have all the suspension bells and whistles. But this is moot even if the stated "base" price of the 45e is higher than the 40i because I loaded the 40i I configured with all the bells and whistles to try to get close to what a 45e will cost. I do expect the 45e to cost more than a similarly equipped 40i, unlike the 530e v. 530, but there is a lot of room for that in my calculation that the 45e is a better proposition than the e-Tron.
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03-11-2019, 05:55 PM	#9
ted99 Lieutenant 259Rep 539Posts Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by TurtleBoy I think a big determiner is how many long distance/cross country trips do you make and do you have a lot of time to make them? I briefly looked at the e-Tron but once I planned out our annual trip to PA saw it would probably add almost two days driving each way due to stopping and recharging I dismissed it. IMO, in theory all-electric is good but only really practical at this point for local/semi-local driving. Lets take the e-Tron specifically. At a realistic distance between charges of 160 miles and 20 min to charge, it would take 5 charges to go 800 miles, or 10 to go 1600 miles (your trip). That's 200 minutes, or 3 1/3 hours--not two days. But it still illustrates my point that the X5 45e is a better all-rounder than the e-Tron.
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03-11-2019, 05:58 PM	#10
ted99 Lieutenant 259Rep 539Posts Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by deadlion I had a 2018 530e with advertised 30 e-miles but it consistently only charged to 17-18. Turn on the heat or AC and drop 2 or 3, I'd be down 4 miles of range before leaving the neighborhood - modest distance. I am excited about the 45e but worry that real range will be only 25-28. On the bright side the 530e averaged 50 e-mpg (combined). However, after we added the Tesla 3 and could charge to 310 miles overnight it left me wanting for the BMW to deliver more range. Have you considered the 2020 Tesla Model Y (to be revealed Mar 14)? Reportedly, it will be built on the Model 3 platform and should deliver reliable 250-300 range (est). Now, in owning both, and having owned an Audi A4, the interior quality of the German-based autos makes the Tesla's seem spartan, in part due to their design philosophy (no leather stitching patterns, single screen display instead of multiple screens or buttons, more road noise, etc). But the true range and forward-thinking tech is compelling. Yes, I don't believe the 50 miles on electric, I think it's more likely to be high 30's and a max of 40 miles. I will not consider a Tesla. Interiors are not luxury. Build quality is problematic. Too many people having car fires from poorly protected battery. But Tesla is like a religion for some, just not me.
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03-11-2019, 06:07 PM	#11
TurtleBoy General 17448Rep 24,517Posts Drives: 2019 X5 40i,2021 M340i Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Colorado iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by ted99 Lets take the e-Tron specifically. At a realistic distance between charges of 160 miles and 20 min to charge, it would take 5 charges to go 800 miles, or 10 to go 1600 miles (your trip). That's 200 minutes, or 3 1/3 hours--not two days. But it still illustrates my point that the X5 45e is a better all-rounder than the e-Tron. You are way underestimating the time it takes to stop for charging not even considering possibly waiting for the charging. I’m pretty sure I used the site recommended by Audi to do the estimate and it added about 8 hours or so each way which would be over a days drive for us now. It is all up to the person as to how much time you want to spend.
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03-11-2019, 06:48 PM	#12
AndroidRobot Major General 4353Rep 6,118Posts Drives: 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0) Garage List [0.00]2022 Porsche Boxste ... [0.00]	Quote: Originally Posted by ted99 Quote: Originally Posted by AndroidRobot No to the E Tron since range will be awful in reality edit: I refuse to believe there will be enough charging stations a Foss the country for this to be viable in 2020 plus you can only fast charge so much before the battery hits a point where it will degrade much faster ie no more fast charging. 200miles of range is also subjective because real life range is much different The fast charge is to 80% to reduce strain on battery. Battery warranty is 8 years of fast charging. Range is 240 miles on 100% battery, assume 200 mi on 80% charge. Unless you are climbing mountains or driving in 20 degree weather, the stated range is a good number for 100% to 0%. But, no actual electric car owner would ever do that. If you have ever actually owned an electric car, you would know that you never get close to 0% if there is any way to avoid it. So, an actual owner would probably only shoot for 160 miles, or every other Electrify America charging station. Look up Electrify America and check out the stations currently under construction, then look at the ones to be built in 2020. I don't believe they will have enough for it to not be a hassle by then. I'd love to be proven wrong, never count on things until they're done. I've driven a number of electric vehicles and have friends with them. Every rapid charge of a battery degrades it faster than normal whether it's a full cycle or not. I'm sure there's fine print in the warranty saying it will stop fast charging to prseerve capacity just like Tesla does. __________________ 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Gentian Blue 2023 Porsche Spyder Python Green (on order) 2022 BMW M3 Comp AWD IOMG/Kyalami Orange (SOLD) 2018 BMW M2 Mineral Grey(SOLD) 2019 BMW X5 50i Carbon Black/Tartufo (SOLD)
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03-11-2019, 06:49 PM	#13
AndroidRobot Major General 4353Rep 6,118Posts Drives: 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0) Garage List [0.00]2022 Porsche Boxste ... [0.00]	Quote: Originally Posted by ted99 Quote: Originally Posted by deadlion I had a 2018 530e with advertised 30 e-miles but it consistently only charged to 17-18. Turn on the heat or AC and drop 2 or 3, I'd be down 4 miles of range before leaving the neighborhood - modest distance. I am excited about the 45e but worry that real range will be only 25-28. On the bright side the 530e averaged 50 e-mpg (combined). However, after we added the Tesla 3 and could charge to 310 miles overnight it left me wanting for the BMW to deliver more range. Have you considered the 2020 Tesla Model Y (to be revealed Mar 14)? Reportedly, it will be built on the Model 3 platform and should deliver reliable 250-300 range (est). Now, in owning both, and having owned an Audi A4, the interior quality of the German-based autos makes the Tesla's seem spartan, in part due to their design philosophy (no leather stitching patterns, single screen display instead of multiple screens or buttons, more road noise, etc). But the true range and forward-thinking tech is compelling. Yes, I don't believe the 50 miles on electric, I think it's more likely to be high 30's and a max of 40 miles. I will not consider a Tesla. Interiors are not luxury. Build quality is problematic. Too many people having car fires from poorly protected battery. But Tesla is like a religion for some, just not me. Why not just get a ICE only car. The environment is not going to be saved by driving a hybrid or electric car and if it's a cost issues you're buying a luxury vehicle so I'm going to stay that's not the case. __________________ 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Gentian Blue 2023 Porsche Spyder Python Green (on order) 2022 BMW M3 Comp AWD IOMG/Kyalami Orange (SOLD) 2018 BMW M2 Mineral Grey(SOLD) 2019 BMW X5 50i Carbon Black/Tartufo (SOLD)
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03-12-2019, 09:09 AM	#14
gsanto Private First Class 44Rep 130Posts Drives: 2019 X5, 2011 550; 2004 X5 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington DC Area iTrader: (0)	I don't know what the final price of the 50e will be but I wouldn't think it would be cheaper than today's model. You may get a reasonable discount off list for the BMW but wondering why you didn't reduce the price of the e-tron with the 7500 federate rebate. Also Texas has a program that provides another 2500 (which may have been used up already this year but they may extend it) so the price difference isn't quite as bad as you might think. I know that you mention that your daily driving would be met by either but I would think the e-tron should be highly considered. The first ones will be delivered in Q2 of this year so you will have the benefit of driving one before making your decision. I've been in one and it is fantastic inside and out so you should hang on to that reservation. I have one of the first reservations of the e-tron and have kept it so far even after I bought a new X5 4 months ago. I'll let you know what I decide in a few months but regardless if I keep it or not, I can state with confidence that the X5 is my last ICE vehicle for sure. The driving dynamics are SO much better that once a reasonable variety of EV models are available I'm gone. And if BMW doesn't get their act together soon they risk losing me and a lot of other folks to the brand over the next few years.
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NoCompromise First Lieutenant 150Rep 320Posts Drives: X5 G05 40i Msport, X6 M50D Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Do you not think all electric vehicle makers (save for Tesla) should offer an option to borrow an ICE vehicle for up to [4] weeks a year? I almost bought an X but realised that for the 1 or 2 annual pilgrimages across Europe it would be untenable. Now if I had an X + an X5 when needed...
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TurtleBoy General 17448Rep 24,517Posts Drives: 2019 X5 40i,2021 M340i Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Colorado iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by NoCompromise Do you not think all electric vehicle makers (save for Tesla) should offer an option to borrow an ICE vehicle for up to [4] weeks a year? I almost bought an X but realised that for the 1 or 2 annual pilgrimages across Europe it would be untenable. Now if I had an X + an X5 when needed... That is a good idea. Not sure what it would do to their business model/profit, etc. but from a prospective customer point of view, it would eliminate the big downside of all-electric vehicles.
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AndroidRobot Major General 4353Rep 6,118Posts Drives: 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0) Garage List [0.00]2022 Porsche Boxste ... [0.00]	Quote: Originally Posted by gsanto I don't know what the final price of the 50e will be but I wouldn't think it would be cheaper than today's model. You may get a reasonable discount off list for the BMW but wondering why you didn't reduce the price of the e-tron with the 7500 federate rebate. Also Texas has a program that provides another 2500 (which may have been used up already this year but they may extend it) so the price difference isn't quite as bad as you might think. I know that you mention that your daily driving would be met by either but I would think the e-tron should be highly considered. The first ones will be delivered in Q2 of this year so you will have the benefit of driving one before making your decision. I've been in one and it is fantastic inside and out so you should hang on to that reservation. I have one of the first reservations of the e-tron and have kept it so far even after I bought a new X5 4 months ago. I'll let you know what I decide in a few months but regardless if I keep it or not, I can state with confidence that the X5 is my last ICE vehicle for sure. The driving dynamics are SO much better that once a reasonable variety of EV models are available I'm gone. And if BMW doesn't get their act together soon they risk losing me and a lot of other folks to the brand over the next few years. I doubt they care, I have no desire to own an electric vehicle until one is forced down my throat. I'd rather live in the glory days of V12's than be forced into an electric car. __________________ 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Gentian Blue 2023 Porsche Spyder Python Green (on order) 2022 BMW M3 Comp AWD IOMG/Kyalami Orange (SOLD) 2018 BMW M2 Mineral Grey(SOLD) 2019 BMW X5 50i Carbon Black/Tartufo (SOLD)
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03-12-2019, 11:25 AM	#18
ted99 Lieutenant 259Rep 539Posts Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by gsanto I don't know what the final price of the 50e will be but I wouldn't think it would be cheaper than today's model. You may get a reasonable discount off list for the BMW but wondering why you didn't reduce the price of the e-tron with the 7500 federate rebate. Also Texas has a program that provides another 2500 (which may have been used up already this year but they may extend it) so the price difference isn't quite as bad as you might think. I know that you mention that your daily driving would be met by either but I would think the e-tron should be highly considered. The first ones will be delivered in Q2 of this year so you will have the benefit of driving one before making your decision. I've been in one and it is fantastic inside and out so you should hang on to that reservation. I have one of the first reservations of the e-tron and have kept it so far even after I bought a new X5 4 months ago. I'll let you know what I decide in a few months but regardless if I keep it or not, I can state with confidence that the X5 is my last ICE vehicle for sure. The driving dynamics are SO much better that once a reasonable variety of EV models are available I'm gone. And if BMW doesn't get their act together soon they risk losing me and a lot of other folks to the brand over the next few years. Finally, a comment from someone not using "alternative facts". Yes, I'm keeping the reservation because I want to check out the driving experience as well. I've done the sit-in of the traveling demo car and my Audi dealer says they will have their permanent driving demo car in April. As you observe, the full $7500 federal tax credit will apply to the e-Tron. The 330e, X3 30e and the 530e are reported to have enlarged batteries of 12 KW-H, which would result in a tax credit of $5479. The X5 45e is reported to have even greater battery capacity to reach it's WTLP range rating of 80Km. No news yet on what that new capacity is, but if it's 13.5 KW-H the tax credit will be $6044. Once the battery capacity reaches 17 KW-H, the maximum tax credit of $7500 is reached. So, if it's only 13.5 KW-H, there would only be an advantage to the e-Tron of about $1500--not a big influence on my decision. A bigger influence would be BMW USA's policy on crediting that tax credit on a lease. If Audi credits the whole $7500 as an incentive (their current policy), and BMW follows current practice of only allowing half of the PHEV tax credit as an incentive, that's a more significant $4500. I've received a $2500 texas PHEV/EV grant from both the prior program and in the current program. The current program is about to end. If the current session of the Texas Legislature re-enacts the program for a third time, it'll be effective for purchases from Texas dealers starting Sept 1, 2019. Teslas are not eligible for the grants because they are not sold by Texas dealers. A total $10,000 discount makes a compelling case, but the BMW X5 45e is elligible for almost that amount, so it's not a factor in deciding between the two. I agree that if I go the 2020 X5 45e route, it will be my last ICE. The e-Tron will have to be absolutely stunning for it to be my choice over the BMW. If I use the example of a an 1800 mile trip from Houston to NYC, the need to stop every 160 miles for a 20 min charge is not out of the question as it's about the limit of my bladder and my dog's. That's a mid-morning stop for coffee, lunch, mid-afternoon stop for coffee, stop for dinner and stop at the end of day, for an 800 mile day--about my limit. That's how I drive that route now, and it would add, at most, a half-hour to my day. Audi's estimate of a 20 min 80% charge seems reasonable to me. If you started with an 80% charge from the last charge and held a 10% reserve, that's 56 KW-H of charging, or 22 min at a 150 KW charge rate. On-road charging is done to 80% because the battery charges at 150Kw up to that point. Afterwards, the charge tapers off to preserve battery life and it takes a LOT longer to reach 100%. Why not a pure ICE? 1) I do expect the X5 45e to cost more than a pure ICE, but not much more as I do a very high spec in either, so $7000 to $10,000 in tax credits/grants makes it cheaper. 2) With my current X5 40e with a 16 mile all-electric range, my wife uses a tank of gas every 6 weeks and my electricity cost is $15/ month. With an ICE, it would be a two tanks of gas/month. With the 45e's expected electric range of high-30's miles, her monthly gas use would be zero, exclusive of road trips which occur once a year, and electric use of about $30/month. 3) On a 6000 mile road trip to Seattle and back last year, our 2018 X5 40e returned 35 MPG, without any charging on the trip. In essence, it was a super hybrid. That's at least 10 MPG better than a pure ICE would get, according to the EPA. I will get a discount on the X5 45e from the dealer. I will get some form of incentive from BMWNA. I will get the BMWCCA rebate. I expect nothing from Audi on the e-Tron. No discount from MSRP from dealer. No incentives from Audi USA. No Audi Club discount on the e-Tron. And, I fully expect that the MSRP on comparably-equipped vehicles to be around $5K in the BMW's favor. For me, the use case for the two is more or less equal, with the PHEV having the advantage of not having to follow charger station bread crumb trails in trips and being completely free of "range anxiety" when an EV charge gets down to 10% on a trip. So, absent some absolute love when I get to drive the e-Tron, I'll be opting for the PHEV, this time. Last edited by ted99; 03-12-2019 at 11:44 AM..
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03-12-2019, 11:40 AM	#19
ted99 Lieutenant 259Rep 539Posts Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by NoCompromise Do you not think all electric vehicle makers (save for Tesla) should offer an option to borrow an ICE vehicle for up to [4] weeks a year? I almost bought an X but realised that for the 1 or 2 annual pilgrimages across Europe it would be untenable. Now if I had an X + an X5 when needed... Excellent idea. BMW actually had a program like this when I bought my i3. However, it required a participating dealer to have a dedicated car for this that could not be used as a loaner when not reserved by an i3 customer. I checked this out back in 2014 and it turned out that only a few dealers in CA participated. Program did a quiet death. Audi has a good path to something like this with it's ownership of the "Silvercar" rental franchise. Could a large Audi dealership start a Silvercar facility for electric car owners? If you are a member of the Audi club, you already get a free day with a 3-day, or longer, rental. My wife uses this regularly in Orlando, when she visits her mother.
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gsanto Private First Class 44Rep 130Posts Drives: 2019 X5, 2011 550; 2004 X5 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington DC Area iTrader: (0)	Given your usage pattern and the ability of the 45e to capture that much of the credit it seems you'll be getting the hybrid. My wife has a gl350 which we usually take on trips but frankly the X5 is so much nicer to drive that we have flipped over to using my car. Unless I keep having problems I'll probably be passing on the etron this go around. Good luck!
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AndroidRobot Major General 4353Rep 6,118Posts Drives: 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0) Garage List [0.00]2022 Porsche Boxste ... [0.00]	Quote: Originally Posted by gsanto Given your usage pattern and the ability of the 50E to capture that much of the credit it seems you'll be getting the hybrid. My wife has a gl350 which we usually take on trips but frankly the X5 is so much nicer to drive that we have flipped over to using my car. Unless I keep having problems I'll probably be passing on the etron this go around. Good luck! It's a 45e per the title and BMW, where are people getting the 50 from? __________________ 2022 Porsche Boxster GTS Gentian Blue 2023 Porsche Spyder Python Green (on order) 2022 BMW M3 Comp AWD IOMG/Kyalami Orange (SOLD) 2018 BMW M2 Mineral Grey(SOLD) 2019 BMW X5 50i Carbon Black/Tartufo (SOLD)
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gsanto Private First Class 44Rep 130Posts Drives: 2019 X5, 2011 550; 2004 X5 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington DC Area iTrader: (0)	Sorry... my bad. Wishful thinking I guess.
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