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Do you think Nether fog need to gone forever? - Single Choice

Yes 72.9%
Maybe 14.3%
No (Please explain why) 7.1%
No support but I think nether fog need some tweaks (Please explain) 5.7%

#1 Aug 30, 2014 Newlight
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My idea is very simple, remove the annoying nether fog. Why remove the nether fog? 1) It limit the view distance 2) It makes ghast much harder to spot 3)The nether looks very epic without fog, look at this example. 4) It is useless game decoration Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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#2 Aug 30, 2014 joeped
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Maybe expand it a little but not remove it all Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
#3 Aug 30, 2014 Charlito153
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What's Nether fog? I've been with this game for 2 years and I've never heard of anything like that, and I saw no mention of it on the wiki. What are you talking about? (I'm probably going to look like an idiot very soon) Last edited by Charlito153: Aug 31, 2014 Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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#5 Aug 31, 2014 Ivya
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While it might look epic without the fog, I am pretty sure it was implemented to help reduce lag in the nether. With all the light sources, animated textures, and unusual mobs spawning, there has to be more than a little bit of lag. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
#6 Aug 31, 2014 ZaffreAqua
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Actually, they need to put this in as an optional thing. It is true, the Nether looks much better without that pesky fog. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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#7 Aug 31, 2014 flaminghawk83
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The fog is good. I mean, if you find it so annoying, why not just make your distance view longer? I mean, for people like me, who don't have the best computers, this will be extremely laggy. I mean, if they don't have the fog, then the distance you view will still be the same, except in stead of it being smooth with fog, the chunks will just stop, you wouldn't see any of the blocks beyond them, and it would just look horrible. No support. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/suggestions/44180-for-the-critics-ftc
#9 Aug 31, 2014 TheMasterCaver
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Quote from Ivya»While it might look epic without the fog, I am pretty sure it was implemented to help reduce lag in the nether. With all the light sources, animated textures, and unusual mobs spawning, there has to be more than a little bit of lag.
Actually, fog has no effect on reducing lag - the game still renders what is behind the fog, which is just a visual overlay. In fact, Optifine says fog hurts performance (as seen when you mouse over the fog setting; "no fog = fastest, fast fog = slower, fancy fog = slowest"), although it makes no difference to me. What the OP is referring to is the way fog is closer to the player in the Nether; the game actually limits the maximum fog distance in the Nether, in a similar manner to the now-removed void fog. Here's the code (1.7.10) that controls Nether fog: if (this.mc.theWorld.provider.doesXZShowFog((int)var3.posX, (int)var3.posZ)) { GL11.glFogf(GL11.GL_FOG_START, var6 * 0.05F); GL11.glFogf(GL11.GL_FOG_END, Math.min(var6, 192.0F) * 0.5F); } "var6" is set to the render distance in blocks but when it is larger than 192 blocks it makes no difference because it takes the minimum of that and 192, then multiplies it by 0.5, meaning the fog end distance (peak fog density) is only 96 blocks (6 chunks), and fog starts at most 12.8 blocks from the player (on 16 chunk render distance; 256 * 0.05). This has no effect whatsover on chunk loading though and the game still renders whatever is behind the fog, a common misconception. Having said that, the fog is supposed to make it spookier and more dangerous; removing void fog is one thing (not really going to have much effect especially since it only gets very close near bedrock and you can't see very far in most caves, where it is less dense, anyway) but Nether fog has a bigger impact on gameplay. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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#10 Aug 31, 2014 Badprenup
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I would be okay with removing this. After all, void fog is being removed. My main issue with void fog is it only shows up on the center of the screen. If you look at a part of the Nether then turn a little to the left or right you will be able to see more when the point you were looking at is on the left or right edge of the window. That has always annoyed me. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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#11 Aug 31, 2014 IRoarTooMuch
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But, that makes the nether spooky and stuff. I wouldn't like to see it removed, the nether isn't a place where I spend most of my time anyways. I'm not going to sit and look at it, I try to get in and out as fast as possible. No support Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
#12 Aug 31, 2014 TheMasterCaver
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Quote from Badprenup»I would be okay with removing this. After all, void fog is being removed. My main issue with void fog is it only shows up on the center of the screen. If you look at a part of the Nether then turn a little to the left or right you will be able to see more when the point you were looking at is on the left or right edge of the window. That has always annoyed me.
This happens because your computer doesn't support what Optifine calls "fancy" fog (fog appears curved instead of linear); for me fog stays consistent regardless of which direction I am looking at, as demonstrated here: "Fast" fog: "Fancy" fog (if your GPU supports it): For the first case I'd rather not have any fog at all because of the way it looks, so an option to disable fog globally could be added, but I don't think there should be a switch just for Nether fog. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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#13 Aug 31, 2014 Badprenup
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Quote from TheMasterCaver» This happens because your computer doesn't support what Optifine calls "fancy" fog (fog appears curved instead of linear); for me fog stays consistent regardless of which direction I am looking at, as demonstrated here: "Fast" fog: "Fancy" fog (if your GPU supports it): For the first case I'd rather not have any fog at all because of the way it looks, so an option to disable fog globally could be added, but I don't think there should be a switch just for Nether fog.
We're kind of getting off topic at this point but is fancy fog an optifine only feature? I have never needed optifine so I don't use it. I would be fine with a global fog option, or a fog option for each in the graphics settings. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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#14 Aug 31, 2014 TheMasterCaver
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Quote from Badprenup» We're kind of getting off topic at this point but is fancy fog an optifine only feature? I have never needed optifine so I don't use it. I would be fine with a global fog option, or a fog option for each in the graphics settings.
It is graphic card dependent; the "fancy" fog is the default in vanilla if your GPU supports it, otherwise it uses the "fast" fog; I used Optifine to show the difference between them and why some people see fog change depending on where they are looking. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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#15 Aug 31, 2014 Ivya
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Quote from TheMasterCaver» Actually, fog has no effect on reducing lag - the game still renders what is behind the fog, which is just a visual overlay. In fact, Optifine says fog hurts performance (as seen when you mouse over the fog setting; "no fog = fastest, fast fog = slower, fancy fog = slowest"), although it makes no difference to me. What the OP is referring to is the way fog is closer to the player in the Nether; the game actually limits the maximum fog distance in the Nether, in a similar manner to the now-removed void fog. Here's the code (1.7.10) that controls Nether fog: if (this.mc.theWorld.provider.doesXZShowFog((int)var3.posX, (int)var3.posZ)) { GL11.glFogf(GL11.GL_FOG_START, var6 * 0.05F); GL11.glFogf(GL11.GL_FOG_END, Math.min(var6, 192.0F) * 0.5F); } "var6" is set to the render distance in blocks but when it is larger than 192 blocks it makes no difference because it takes the minimum of that and 192, then multiplies it by 0.5, meaning the fog end distance (peak fog density) is only 96 blocks (6 chunks), and fog starts at most 12.8 blocks from the player (on 16 chunk render distance; 256 * 0.05). This has no effect whatsover on chunk loading though and the game still renders whatever is behind the fog, a common misconception. Having said that, the fog is supposed to make it spookier and more dangerous; removing void fog is one thing (not really going to have much effect especially since it only gets very close near bedrock and you can't see very far in most caves, where it is less dense, anyway) but Nether fog has a bigger impact on gameplay.
Oh, had no idea! That is kinda cool. Thanks for letting me know. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
#16 Aug 31, 2014 GerbilCrab475
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The Nether looks so much better without the stupid fog. When I started playing beta again I found the Nether much more awesome looking when there is no fog to blanket the epic landscape. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack

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#17 Aug 31, 2014 flaminghawk83
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Quote from GerbilCrab475»The Nether looks so much better without the stupid fog. When I started playing beta again I found the Nether much more awesome looking when there is no fog to blanket the epic landscape.
But for people who have a lower viewing distance, it would look dumb. In stead of fog to cover it up, the world would just end, until you got close enough to render it. That would look even worse. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
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http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/suggestions/44180-for-the-critics-ftc
#18 Aug 31, 2014 GerbilCrab475
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Quote from flaminghawk83» But for people who have a lower viewing distance, it would look dumb. In stead of fog to cover it up, the world would just end, until you got close enough to render it. That would look even worse.
This is about the Nether fog, not the render fog. There is a difference. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack

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#19 Aug 31, 2014 wasabichan
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I've never heard of "Nether Fog", only void fog... It sounds cool though... Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
#20 Sep 1, 2014 xMakmanx
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Quote from Badprenup»I would be okay with removing this. After all, void fog is being removed. My main issue with void fog is it only shows up on the center of the screen. If you look at a part of the Nether then turn a little to the left or right you will be able to see more when the point you were looking at is on the left or right edge of the window. That has always annoyed me.
Same here, it doesn't really make sense either. I don't mind if this is removed, or there is at least an option to remove it. Support. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack
#21 Sep 1, 2014 LegendofMewtwo
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No support. The nether is literally Minecraft's hell, not somewhere you go sightseeing. The point is to limit the view distance, ghasts are not that hard to locate and/or kill, and again, you're not supposed to be there sitting on a cliff admiring the views. Plus it makes the nether feel distinctly creepier than the overworld. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack A man who dares to waste an hour of his life has not yet discovered the value of time. A man who dares waste ten hours of his life has obviously discovered the internet.
#22 Sep 2, 2014 Deykhal
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Quote from Badprenup»I would be okay with removing this. After all, void fog is being removed. My main issue with void fog is it only shows up on the center of the screen. If you look at a part of the Nether then turn a little to the left or right you will be able to see more when the point you were looking at is on the left or right edge of the window. That has always annoyed me.
The reason why you see at an angle, but not straight on is because everything is rendered in a giant box shape instead of a sphere (it is minecraft afterall). I do agree it is annoying and like you I wouldn't mind seeing this go or at least change the rendering from a box shape to a larger sphere, so it makes more sense. Rollback Post to Revision RollBack Quicksand w/specifics -Deykhal Ropes: Leads, just better -Deonyi
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