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Taming practicality of Pachy OverTheTopMC

By OverTheTopMC July 19, 2016 in General Discussion

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Posted July 19, 2016

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Few times have I witnessed someone actually using the Pachy as a medium for taming high-end creatures. Perhaps more so early game, yet that is where I find the practicality of this creature, as far as taming goes, ends. The Pachy roast continues in the following bullet points:

  • Quetz taming (CON) - As you may already be aware, the torpor dealt by a Pachy is equivalent to the damage of the Pachy, rendering using this creature to tame a Quetzal nearly impossible. Personally, this method has not worked for me, ending with the accidental death of the intended tame. I find the Scorpion the optimal option, other than the cage method, to solo tame a Quetz.
  • Low health and weight (CON) - When taming on land with the Pachy, especially against larger and more carnivorous creatures, the Pachy nearly dies to almost anything that deals too much knockback, such as the Rex or the Spino. Fairly fast, the Pachy can evade the attacks of these predators and escape, as long as he isn't encumbered due to his low weight capacity.
  • Saddle blueprints (PRO) - There is one pro with using the Pachy, I have found. The game does make the option to tame a Pachy more tempting with the frequency of higher quality saddles and saddle blueprints within beacon drops. Thus, the damage is mitigated and does make the Pachy a viable taming option, at least on land.
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Posted July 19, 2016

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I too have thought of this and even got an Ascendant Pachy saddle in Deep sea crate

 

but I have not found a worthy 150 Pachy to tame.

 

What is nice is their topor attacks are instant topor but most the things that are annoying to tame where this would be helpful imo are tames which the pachy will end up killing such as the Gally...

 

 

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I think a bit of it is more for diversity's sake; you have the option of knocking things out with a scorpion, pachy, maybe fists if you're feeling adventurous. Or even different tools for the same job, like a crossbow vs. regular bow vs. rifle That being said, some creatures (like the quetz) have a high torpor to health ratio, which is odd, but I don't know if it's by design. I killed a fair number of bears with tranq arrows (on primitive crossbows) before I understood that above 20ish, they're impossible to KO without darts since even primitive bows deal too much damage vs. their torpor.  On one hand, I can see the flavor in that it's an animal thats so tough and stubborn that it soldiers through to death. On the other, damn, darts are expensive

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4 minutes ago, Airthrow said:

I think a bit of it is more for diversity's sake; you have the option of knocking things out with a scorpion, pachy, maybe fists if you're feeling adventurous. Or even different tools for the same job, like a crossbow vs. regular bow vs. rifle That being said, some creatures (like the quetz) have a high torpor to health ratio, which is odd, but I don't know if it's by design. I killed a fair number of bears with tranq arrows (on primitive crossbows) before I understood that above 20ish, they're impossible to KO without darts since even primitive bows deal too much damage vs. their torpor.  On one hand, I can see the flavor in that it's an animal thats so tough and stubborn that it soldiers through to death. On the other, damn, darts are expensive

its RNG on bears...my first I tamed was lvl 105 and I got em down with a prim cross bow....he had less than 100 hp left and it took my last arrow to KO em....

 

but yeah for the most part they are going to die but every now then you get that random bear with more topor vs health than normal

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Id say out of all the topor inducing tames the best bet is actually the centepede for tanking purposes (they get a lot of HP) and or the frog his secondary attack hits for more and it can outmaneuver things like Rexs on the fly.

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2 hours ago, Airthrow said:

I think a bit of it is more for diversity's sake; you have the option of knocking things out with a scorpion, pachy, maybe fists if you're feeling adventurous. Or even different tools for the same job, like a crossbow vs. regular bow vs. rifle That being said, some creatures (like the quetz) have a high torpor to health ratio, which is odd, but I don't know if it's by design. I killed a fair number of bears with tranq arrows (on primitive crossbows) before I understood that above 20ish, they're impossible to KO without darts since even primitive bows deal too much damage vs. their torpor.  On one hand, I can see the flavor in that it's an animal thats so tough and stubborn that it soldiers through to death. On the other, damn, darts are expensive

I ko'd my 145 bear with a 168% crossbow. Granted he had less than 100 health left when he went down, but just to say it is possible. He only had average health too.

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Ah good to know! The road to hell is paved with bears that I've tried to tranq with crossbows. I've managed to pelt one into submission (above level 20) with a slingshot, but he was pretty much dead by that point lol.  Either way, I'll just be less cheap and make the darts, finding a bear over 100 is suuuuuuper rare for me, I don't want to risk them to save my mats :)

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(PRO) Pachy armies are easy to acquire, and are easily replacable. What one lone pachy cannot do, you can accomplish with a mate-boosted task force. You can KO Sarcos and Carnos with waves of headbutts.

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10 minutes ago, LilNastyGurl said:

(PRO) Pachy armies are easy to acquire, and are easily replacable. What one lone pachy cannot do, you can accomplish with a mate-boosted task force. You can KO Sarcos and Carnos with waves of headbutts.

Lol, if only we could use them in catapults and cannons

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1 hour ago, Airthrow said:

Lol, if only we could use them in catapults and cannons

lol, you can always tame an argent to make a pachybomber, or set up a large platform quetz with pachy army atop.

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37 minutes ago, LilNastyGurl said:

lol, you can always tame an argent to make a pachybomber, or set up a large platform quetz with pachy army atop.

Very cool idea, but still the basic flaw of the Pachy is it does just as much damage as topor, so would kill nearly everything you try this on.

Really would be cool if the Pachy was changed to only do topor. They have the diplo that only does knock back.

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30 minutes ago, wildbill said:

Very cool idea, but still the basic flaw of the Pachy is it does just as much damage as topor, so would kill nearly everything you try this on.

Really would be cool if the Pachy was changed to only do topor. They have the diplo that only does knock back.

Diplo is freaking evil...oh hey look a cliff....oh hey look a player..."AAAAAAAAAH"

diplo smiles evily

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3 minutes ago, Renagade655 said:

Diplo is freaking evil...oh hey look a cliff....oh hey look a player..."AAAAAAAAAH"

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This !!! 

Was up on a rock pillar on the centerfarming metal, hear the thud of a large dino.. "OH just a diplo" carry on... next thing you know I'm falling off a cliff to my death, the diplo follows and I swear to Raptor jesus he Tea bagged me.

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lol damn diplos, I hear u man, those things are cruel, wasn't on a cliff, but was next to the ocean watching a bunch of sharks eat a turtle...diplo adds me to the menu in a single hit :'(

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Honestly, we tame them and put them inside of our buildings on aggressive.  Just another nuisance if a tribe was moderately successful in raiding us.  It happened to us first- we C4'ed a door open, then all the sudden people were getting knocked left and right.  Through the cloud of smoke, we thought it was someone from the tribe we were raiding running through us, but it was a pachy they had.  Pretty sure it knocked everyone who was on the ground.  If the guys on the ground had been carrying more explosives, it may have been enough time for the other guys to loot their bodies and really hold us off.  It's all about those little things they don't expect.  Now we think twice before blowing a wall.

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3 hours ago, LilNastyGurl said:

(PRO) Pachy armies are easy to acquire, and are easily replacable. What one lone pachy cannot do, you can accomplish with a mate-boosted task force. You can KO Sarcos and Carnos with waves of headbutts.

true ...but taming an army of pachys and navigating them around the map to find what you want to tame without getting stuck etc etc etc is about 10x more time consuming then snatching a couple cross bows and Tranq arrows sadly...

 

They need to buff the topor inducing tames so they have some more relevance. Even when low level it is better to just use the good ole normal bow with tranqs rather than try using the scorp, pachy, etc

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On 7/20/2016 at 1:23 PM, Trev186 said:

true ...but taming an army of pachys and navigating them around the map to find what you want to tame without getting stuck etc etc etc is about 10x more time consuming then snatching a couple cross bows and Tranq arrows sadly...

 

They need to buff the topor inducing tames so they have some more relevance. Even when low level it is better to just use the good ole normal bow with tranqs rather than try using the scorp, pachy, etc

The Question is, do you want the Pachy as a viable option to tame Quetzals and larger Carnivores?

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7 minutes ago, LilNastyGurl said:

The Question is, do you want the Pachy as a viable option to tame Quetzals and larger Carnivores?

I like creativity so I think topor inducing dinos should be viable alternative strategies to achieve this.

It is always just easier with arrows or darts even for smaller dinos which a pachy or scorp/pede could tank.

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Pachy is useless, even for early game its not worth taming it. Unless you just want to have a Pachy.

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I think the concentration for the pachy should be more combat related. The torpor should be a side thing, kill'em great, knock'em out better. So I think pachys should get a health or damage improvement. But scorpions definitely need a torpor buff. Maybe there poison affects should stack up?

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Another thought for this: Pachy has a kibble, Scorpion doesn't... (On boosted taming rate servers, spoiled meat acts as kibble for the scorp and I've seen how nice they could get if they had a kibble... They are exceptional ocean taming creatures since they have good water maneuverability. Good trilobite farmer as well...)

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