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02-10-2012, 03:42 PM #1
YolkyPalky Captain 339Rep 687Posts Drives: ‘23 X3MC Dark Graphite Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: San Diego, CA iTrader: (0) Can someone explain why X5 M50d not available to U.S. customers? Can someone explain why the newly announced X5 M50d wont be available to U.S. customers, even though it is produced here lol? I keep hearing the word "homologation", but I don't fully understand what that means. Seems to me if you qualified the car for California emission standards it would surely pass every other state. I'm so bummed we won't be able to buy an "M"-diesel here in the U.S.!
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02-11-2012, 10:33 AM #2
JNoSol Brigadier General JNoSol's Avatar United_States 1400Rep 3,834Posts Drives: 750 MSPORT & E90M3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kansas City iTrader: (0) I can think of 3 reasons: One, the X5 M50d costs $108k USD (82k EUR). Two, the price of diesel is 20-30% higher than Premium gas (at least in the Midwest), offsetting the fuel savings. Three, if you're going to pay $108k for an SUV, why not get the X5m Petrol or Porsche Cayenne Turbo? The diesel SUV segment is already filled by the X5 35d, which gets better fuel economy and make sense to Americans.
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02-11-2012, 01:21 PM #3
Singletrack 4th down; 4th quarter? Renegade. Singletrack's Avatar United_States 93Rep 3,846Posts Drives: 09 SSII E92 M3; 19 FG M5C Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA iTrader: (3) Quote:
Originally Posted by JNoSol View Post I can think of 3 reasons: One, the X5 M50d costs $108k USD (82k EUR). Two, the price of diesel is 20-30% higher than Premium gas (at least in the Midwest), offsetting the fuel savings. Three, if you're going to pay $108k for an SUV, why not get the X5m Petrol or Porsche Cayenne Turbo? The diesel SUV segment is already filled by the X5 35d, which gets better fuel economy and make sense to Americans.
In reality, if they did offer it here, it wouldn't be 100k; probably more like 75-80k. I mean the M3 is like 100k USD in Europe (or at least it was when I paid in the 60s), so it isn't just a 1 to 1 conversion. The US is their largest market. I would agree that this likely doesn't make sense to Americans. Spending on a high performance diesel vs a V8 - most Americans will pick the V8. All that being said, there are also other costs associated with bringing a new model - crash testing, etc. An industry insider can probably give you more details.
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02-11-2012, 08:56 PM #4
JNoSol Brigadier General JNoSol's Avatar United_States 1400Rep 3,834Posts Drives: 750 MSPORT & E90M3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kansas City iTrader: (0) Quote:
Originally Posted by Singletrack View Post In reality, if they did offer it here, it wouldn't be 100k; probably more like 75-80k. I mean the M3 is like 100k USD in Europe (or at least it was when I paid in the 60s), so it isn't just a 1 to 1 conversion. The US is their largest market. I would agree that this likely doesn't make sense to Americans. Spending on a high performance diesel vs a V8 - most Americans will pick the V8. All that being said, there are also other costs associated with bringing a new model - crash testing, etc. An industry insider can probably give you more details.
You're right. I keep on forgetting the X3s, X5s, and Z4s are built in SC, so the cost to the US would be cheaper (less tariff). $75k-80k is a good estimate, I would still take the 50i over a Diesel.
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Originally Posted by JNoSol View Post You're right. I keep on forgetting the X3s, X5s, and Z4s are built in SC, so the cost to the US would be cheaper (less tariff). $75k-80k is a good estimate, I would still take the 50i over a Diesel.
I'm just so impressed with the HP and Torque numbers that were released for the X5 M50d, it is most definitely an "M" performing car, and I would love to have it as an alternative to the X5M. It would be nice having that incredible Torque performance coupled with kick-ass gas mileage. I'm sure I would quickly get tired of constantly filling up an X5M. I would definitely consider an "M"-diesel model! Diesel gas here in SoCal doesn't cost much more, if not on par, than 91 octane that "M"-gas models require. Last edited by YolkyPalky; 02-11-2012 at 10:58 PM..
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Originally Posted by atlanta2004m3 View Post So, diesel is $0.60 - $1.00 per gallon more out your way? Seriously? Here in the Southeast it's pretty much on par, sometimes a dime or 2 cheaper....
Correction, diesel is $0.50 - $1.00 more expensive than REGULAR gas. The difference between premium gas and diesel is a small gap. It used to be the opposite, diesel was cheaper than gas a decade ago. Last edited by JNoSol; 02-12-2012 at 12:24 AM..
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02-12-2012, 12:32 AM #7
Headgrunt New Member 2Rep 11Posts Drives: X6M Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Texas iTrader: (0) ?? Could be interesting ?? An X5 M50d in the U.S., running on bio-diesel. An "M" that doesn't run on petroleum......
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Originally Posted by Headgrunt View Post An X5 M50d in the U.S., running on bio-diesel. An "M" that doesn't run on petroleum......
Where is the biodiesel comment coming from? Just curious. BMW recommends BP diesel which is 0-5% biodiesel by volume. I totally agree though - I would consider buying a diesel M car. I love my 35d so far.
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Originally Posted by YolkyPalky View Post Can someone explain why the newly announced X5 M50d wont be available to U.S. customers, even though it is produced here lol? I keep hearing the word "homologation", but I don't fully understand what that means. Seems to me if you qualified the car for California emission standards it would surely pass every other state. I'm so bummed we won't be able to buy an "M"-diesel here in the U.S.!
yes they'll probably sell twice as many m version models !
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06-03-2012, 10:51 PM #10
D.B.S Lieutenant Colonel D.B.S's Avatar No_Country 30Rep 1,748Posts Drives: '11 X5 35i / '13 S5 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Deployed to Kuwait iTrader: (2) The reason why none of the other diesel models that BMW produces are not available here, like the X5 40d and other variants is because our wonderful EPA has backwards standards, because our wonderful government is still thinking like it's 1970, and also because BMWNA doesn't think diesels are popular here... Strange but MB and VW think Diesels are popular here, MB has 7 models with Diesel, and VW has 5... BMW will now only have 1 model with diesel here in the states, the X5 35d.... BMWNA needs to pull their heads out of the sand __________________ BMW X5 35i: Boopie Exhaust & Intercooler, K&N Drop in Filter, JB3 (3+ psi) 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T: CAI, Catch Can, Custom Exhaust, Headers, 87MM Throttle Body, Diablo Custom 93 OCT Tune
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Originally Posted by JNoSol I can think of 3 reasons: One, the X5 M50d costs $108k USD (82k EUR). Two, the price of diesel is 20-30% higher than Premium gas (at least in the Midwest), offsetting the fuel savings. Three, if you're going to pay $108k for an SUV, why not get the X5m Petrol or Porsche Cayenne Turbo? The diesel SUV segment is already filled by the X5 35d, which gets better fuel economy and make sense to Americans.
You have to remember when you are looking at Euro prices tax is already included AND its about 20%! I was in the BMW store in Paris last week and spoke with a sales rep there. He said its no problem to import cars, costs maybe 3-4k and you don't pay the tax there. I have his info somewhere if you want, he should be able to get you what you want! __________________ 2014 M5 Comp, Dinan P1 708hp -- Daily 2015 BMW i8 Pure Impulse World 2011 Audi R8 V10 Spyder, Twin turbo, MAN PEDALS! Grave yard: 14 1100hp GTR, 11 Twin Turbo R8, 13 M5, 09 LP-560, 14 GTR, 08 R8 V8, 11 X5M 700hp, 10 E93 M3, 08 E92 M3, 06 E46 M3 CP, 02 E46 M3
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06-04-2012, 01:06 PM #12
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Originally Posted by JNoSol View Post Correction, diesel is $0.50 - $1.00 more expensive than REGULAR gas. The difference between premium gas and diesel is a small gap. It used to be the opposite, diesel was cheaper than gas a decade ago.
Depends on the time of year. Diesel prices usually follow heating fuel prices; that means it's more expensive in the winter than in the summer. In Seattle, i was paying .10 cents more than premium for diesel in December. Now that summer is almost here, I am paying .20 cents less than regular
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06-04-2012, 01:49 PM #13
Blitzblau Field Marshall Blitzblau's Avatar United_States 16Rep 249Posts Drives: 2012 Black Saph Metallic X5M Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Oakton, VA iTrader: (0) The X5 M50d and X6 M50d have shitty performance numbers...they don't seem to fal in line with the current X5 M and X6 M...not even close. See press release below: The BMW M Performance Automobiles. The BMW M Performance vehicles described in the attached press release are not planned for the US market. The press release is posted for informational purposes only. New BMW M GmbH product range based on current BMW models; BMW M Performance Automobiles complement the model family with their clear focus on sports performance combined with unrestricted everyday usability and outstanding efficiency; new product category launches with four models: BMW M550d xDrive Sedan, BMW M550d xDrive Touring, BMW X5 M50d and BMW X6 M50d. Rigorous use of BMW M GmbH development expertise in the optimisation of agility, precision and emotion; BMW M Performance Automobiles with harmonious interplay of powertrain, chassis technology and design features typical of M models; exclusive, extremely powerful engine; detailed modifications to chassis technology and power transfer; aerodynamically optimised body. World premiere for a new six-cylinder in-line diesel engine developed exclusively for the BMW M Performance Automobiles; new, globally unique M Performance TwinPower Turbo technology: three turbochargers, common-rail direct injection with piezo injectors and maximum injection pressure of 2,200 bar; 3.0-litre displacement, 280 kW/381 hp, maximum torque: 740 Newton metres (546 lb-ft); instantaneous responses and outstandingly dynamic power delivery into the upper reaches of the rev range; maximum revs: 5,400 rpm; impressively economical thanks to optimised efficiency and extensive BMW EfficientDynamics technology, including Auto Start-Stop function and ECO PRO mode. Eight-speed Sports automatic transmission with enhanced gearshift dynamics fitted as standard on all BMW M Performance Automobiles; BMW xDrive intelligent all-wheel drive with bespoke set-up optimised to enhance dynamics; BMW M550d xDrive and BMW X5 M50d with Performance Control, BMW X6 M50d with Dynamic Performance Control. M-specific tuning of suspension, bodyshell mounting, engine and transmission mounting, springs and dampers, all standard and optional chassis control systems, and the Servotronic mapping for the hydraulic steering; result is significantly enhanced agility and precision in dynamic driving situations, with the linear build-up of lateral forces familiar from M cars. BMW M550d xDrive comes as standard with the Driving Experience Control switch, including ECO PRO mode; BMW M550d xDrive Touring also features air suspension on the rear axle and automatic self-levelling; both models available as an option with Dynamic Damper Control and Adaptive Drive including anti-roll control. BMW X5 M50d and BMW X6 M50d fitted as standard with air suspension on the rear axle and self-levelling, Adaptive Drive standard on the BMW X6 M50d and available as an option for the BMW X5 M50d. Purposeful design modifications in familiar M style set individual models apart and provide aerodynamic optimisation; exterior mirrors and air intake bars with striking Ferric Grey metallic paintwork; trapezoidal exhaust tailpipes; BMW Individual High-gloss Shadow Line; 19-inch M light-alloy wheels in double-spoke design standard on the BMW M550d xDrive and BMW M550d xDrive Touring; 19-inch M light-alloy wheels in V-spoke design standard on the BMW X5 M50d; 20-inch M light-alloy wheels in double-spoke design standard on the BMW X6 M50d; exclusive 20-inch M light-alloy wheels in Ferric Grey available as an option for all models; model lettering on the door sills, boot lid and, in the case of the BMW X5 M50d and BMW X6 M50d, also in the instrument cluster; engine cover with "M Performance" badge. Bespoke interior design shows clear emphasis on the cars' sporting character; gearshift lever with M logo; exclusive Alcantara/Nappa leather M sports seats in Black (BMW X5 M50d, BMW X6 M50d) or Alcantara/Cloth in Grey Shadow (BMW M550d xDrive) with contrast stitching and embossed M logo; M leather steering wheel with gearshift paddles; BMW Individual roof liner in Anthracite; interior trim strips in Brushed Aluminium Shadow (BMW X5 M50d, BMW X6 M50d) or Aluminium Hexagon (BMW M550d xDrive); interior sound design adds further emphasis to the characteristic six-cylinder soundtrack. All BMW M Performance Automobiles contain a wide range of comfort-enhancing equipment as standard; extensive individualisation possible thanks to virtually full availability of BMW 5 Series, BMW X5 and BMW X6 options; includes Comfort Access, automatic tailgate operation (standard in Germany on the BMW X6 M50d and BMW M550d xDrive Touring), hands-free tailgate opening (BMW M550d xDrive, BMW M550d xDrive Touring), electrically operated glass/panoramic sunroof, doors with Soft Close Automatic function, trailer coupling, heated steering wheel, active seats, Adaptive LED Headlights (BMW X6 M50d), navigation systems with hard disk storage, high-quality audio and rear-seat entertainment systems. Wide range of driver assistance systems and mobility services from BMW ConnectedDrive unmatched by any rival: Head-Up Display, Adaptive Headlights, High-Beam Assistant, BMW Night Vision with pedestrian recognition (BMW M550d xDrive), Active Cruise Control with Stop & Go function, Lane Change Warning System (BMW M550d xDrive), Lane Departure Warning System (BMW M550d xDrive), rear-view camera with Top View (BMW X5 M50d, BMW X6 M50d), Surround View (BMW 550d xDrive), Speed Limit Info, internet access, extended integration of smartphones and music players, Real-Time Traffic Information and apps for receiving web radio and using Facebook and Twitter. Engine: Six-cylinder in-line diesel engine with M Performance TwinPower Turbo technology, aluminium crankcase, three turbochargers (high-pressure, with variable turbine geometry), common-rail direct injection with piezo injectors, maximum injection pressure: 2,200 bar. Displacement: 2,993 cc, output: 280 kW/381 hp at 4,000 – 4,400 rpm, max. torque: 740 Nm (546 lb-ft) at 2,000 – 3 000 rpm, specific output: 93.6 kW/127.3 hp per litre of displacement. BMW M Performance models: performance figures, fuel consumption, CO2 emissions: BMW M550d xDrive Sedan: Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 4.7 seconds, top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph), average fuel consumption: 6.3 litres/100 kilometres (44.8 mpg imp), CO2 emissions: 165 g/km, exhaust standard: EU6. BMW M550d xDrive Touring: Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 4.9 seconds, top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph), average fuel consumption: 6.4 litres/100 kilometres (44.1 mpg imp), CO2 emissions: 169 g/km, exhaust standard: EU6. BMW X5 M50d: Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 5.4 seconds, top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph), average fuel consumption: 7.5 litres/100 kilometres (37.7 mpg imp), CO2 emissions: 199 g/km, exhaust standard: EU5. BMW X6 M50d: Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 5.3 seconds, top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph), average fuel consumption: 7.7 litres/100 kilometres (36.7 mpg imp), CO2 emissions: 204 g/km, exhaust standard: EU5. __________________ 2008 Interlagos Blue E90 M3 (Retired) 2012 Black Sapphire Metallic X5 M (Velos Designwerks Tune, LUX H8 V3 Angel Eyes, Black Sapphire Metallic Kidneys and Roundels, M floor mats 2009 Black Cadillac Escalade Hybrid
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06-04-2012, 03:34 PM #14
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Originally Posted by jddssc121 View Post Depends on the time of year. Diesel prices usually follow heating fuel prices; that means it's more expensive in the winter than in the summer. In Seattle, i was paying .10 cents more than premium for diesel in December. Now that summer is almost here, I am paying .20 cents less than regular
Yup, just in time for camping trips.
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watrob Lieutenant Colonel watrob's Avatar Australia 142Rep 1,597Posts Drives: MY2022 X5 M-Sport 45e White Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Brisbane - Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List2021 Toyota Yaris Z ... [0.00]2022 BMW X5 G05 e45 [0.00]2015 Ferrari Cali T [0.00] I have the X5 M50d, have owned the 30d & 35d, also the 35d we got was really the 40d, as it was rebadged into the 40d later (LCI Model) The M-Sport 35d I had up to a couple weeks ago had the same options as my new M50d, and I am getting the same klm per litre and I have only done 900klm so far. I estimate that the M50d will do one litre better economy per 100klm than my old 35d, the reason is its only runing at around 1650revs at 100kph whereas the 35d was setting on around 2000revs. The combination of the 8 speed gearbox and that it has so much power means its not working as hard. I drive 75% city & 25% highway per week, and the M50d is currently showing 10.4ltr/100klm combined, that's the same as my old 35d. On average the engine would rev around 300 less, so once it runs in things will improve. I have had the M50d for about 3 weeks and the economy readout has now slowed a little and is now dropping at around 0.1 every second day (it started at 15.8ltr/100klm). I have to get use to driving it, where I pushed the 35d, with M50d you cannot be that heavy with your foot, on the run up onto 100kph freeways etc you get over 135kph very quickly. At 746nm of torque it gets moving very quickly. __________________ MY22 X5 M-Sport 45e White, 22"rims, Red Calipers, Ceramic Pads. Better off saying what it does not have and that's a B&O Audio System, otherwise all option boxes are ticked.
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07-25-2012, 09:43 AM #16
Medihummer New Member 0Rep 14Posts Drives: X6m 50d Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Belgium iTrader: (0) Anybody ever compared the x6 50d to the x6 m? I drive a 2007 jeep srt8 and want to buy a x6 50d to be honnest myself and my wife were disappointed with the feeling of the performance although not true the jeep feels twice as fast and much more responsive. Also suspension was very soft in x6 but that will be cured by a kw v3 suspension
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Originally Posted by Medihummer View Post Anybody ever compared the x6 50d to the x6 m? I drive a 2007 jeep srt8 and want to buy a x6 50d to be honnest myself and my wife were disappointed with the feeling of the performance although not true the jeep feels twice as fast and much more responsive. Also suspension was very soft in x6 but that will be cured by a kw v3 suspension
If you get a M-Sport X6 with Adaptive Drive you won't have any soft suspension problems? __________________ MY22 X5 M-Sport 45e White, 22"rims, Red Calipers, Ceramic Pads. Better off saying what it does not have and that's a B&O Audio System, otherwise all option boxes are ticked.
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Originally Posted by JNoSol View Post You're right. I keep on forgetting the X3s, X5s, and Z4s are built in SC, so the cost to the US would be cheaper (less tariff). $75k-80k is a good estimate, I would still take the 50i over a Diesel.
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