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#1 · Jan 21, 2012 Few days ago, the van was hard to get in gear, then it was all but impossible! Had a good read around on here, and sure enough found my problem, cracked pedal box bracket. I bought one of those brackets from t4vanman, fitted it and that has stopped all the movement!! Happy days! But it still wont go in gear, and the clutch pedal feels soft, espcially at the first part of pressing it. Not sure if the movement caused by the cracked pedal box has damaged my master cylinder? There is no visable leak. Sort by Oldest first Oldest first Newest first Most reactions #2 · Jan 21, 2012 I would bleed it in the first instance, then look for any further damage. #3 · Jan 22, 2012 But why would it need bleeding if it hasnt been removed? I mean how would air have got in there? #4 · Jan 22, 2012 Not sure perhaps when the pedal collapsed at first, All I am saying is it it may be something be simple as that and its not going to cost anything as part of the elimination process. 0 Reply #5 · Jan 23, 2012 Today I have replace my Clutch master Cylinder with new bracket on from ebay bracket £12, second hand clutch £16. After fitting we have BLEED the cylinder, after that my pedal became hard...hard! I am still can change my gear no problems. The enginer told me to buy new CLUTCH KIT, after that pedal will go easy he said? But before my clutch pedal was real easy...I am stupidly changed.... Any ideas? pls #6 · Jan 23, 2012

caravelle2003.diesel2.5 said: today i have replace my clutch master cylinder with new bracket on from ebay bracket £12, second hand clutch £16. After fitting we have bleed the cylinder, after that my pedal became hard...hard! I am still can change my gear no problems. The enginer told me to buy new clutch kit, after that pedal will go easy he said? But before my clutch pedal was real easy...i am stupidly changed.... Any ideas? Pls Click to expand...

whatttttttttt ????? 0 Reply #7 · Jan 23, 2012 (Edited) whattttttttt whatttttttttt ????????? #8 · Jan 23, 2012 Today I have replace my Clutch master Cylinder with new bracket on from eBay bracket £12, second hand clutch £16. After fitting we BLEED the cylinder, then my pedal became hard! I still can change my gear no problems. My question is do I really need to change the CLUTCH KIT & FLYWHEEL? The engineer told me to buy new CLUTCH KIT with Flywheel VW-Original parts £862 including VAT. The labour would cost me 8 hours £110 per hour by VW. Before changing Clutch cylinder my pedal was EASY to PUSH. I still can change my gear, The only thing is my CLUTCH PEDAL became HARD? #9 · Jan 23, 2012 (Edited) Hi, I have been messing around for many years with the T4 pedalbox, IMHO the bolt on bracket mentioned is the best insurance you can buy! But it really is of any use as insurance if it is fitted to an undamaged pedal box. Again IMHO it is only postponing the inevitable failure if it is fitted to an already damaged pedal box. The alignment of the clutch master cylinder is absolutely critical relative to the clutch pedal on these pedal boxes, so much so that I always mount the pedalbox in an alignment jig to weld the reinforcement plates into my pedalboxes! The clutch hydraulics can get air into it if you let the brake fluid level drop too low ( the brake system and clutch system share the same reservoir! ) Hey guys give this bloke a chance. There are many reasons for not having perfect grammar, there but for the grace of god go I!!! Cheers Trev. #10 · Jan 23, 2012 A) Tell the vw engineer to gfhs B) ask on here for a trusted local garage (nonvw) in your area, call them, drive the van to them for a diagnostic, then ask for a price labor only, or get them to price up the job parts a labor. If its a replacement Clutch kit and CSC make sure the bearing is also in the kit. Ring around for a few quotes now you know whats needed! C) ring brickworks, gsf or euro car parts and ask for 1) Choose a clutch kit ( single or dual mass) dual is probably best for a standard van with no engine modifications 2) ask for a CSC - Concentric Slave Cylinder 3) make sure the kit has the clutch bearing included if not get one You now know how much the parts cost in vat! Get labor quotes etc ring around and you will find some are hungry for business and cheap. Make a call on who you trust and get it done. This forum ain't going to fix it for you.. Examples for a 102bhp silver tdi http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/shop?pa...p?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1253&category_id=138 And these http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/shop?pa...p?page=shop.product_details&category_id=152&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1254 Or call gsfcarparts for a clutch kit 350 + vat "a dual mass version", and get a Concentric Slave Cylinder and bearing that's more like 500 for parts inc vat. Then looking at a further x amount depending upon the garage, ou could be paying half of what vw quoted you! Thats if you need I done! #12 · Jan 24, 2012 Thanks mate for your advise. So now I need to buy: 1. Flywheel 2. Clutch Kit 3. Bearing 4. Clutch slave Cylinder 5. Clutch master Cylender I am trying to buy whole things, I am checking on internet.... thanks guys... 0 Reply #11 · Jan 24, 2012 Thanks Trev. I have fitted bracket on broken pedal housing. But no movement any more. Trev why clutch pedal became hard? is that really to do with CLUTCH KIT? #15 · Jan 24, 2012 Hi, The pedal could be fouling the master cylinder, this would make the pedal very stiff! If you slacken the two bolts that secure the master cylinder to the pedalbox, and make sure that the steel rod is not touching the aluminium tube at any point in the pedals movement, also make sure the pedal freely passes the master cylinder. Where in the country are you? Cheers Trev. 0 Reply #13 · Jan 24, 2012 Get it looked at by someone else for another opinon first, before spending your cash! #14 · Jan 24, 2012 I've just changed my pedal box for one supplied by wind welder and I highly recommend his service. Have you checked that the assist spring is in place at the top of the pedal? (there should be 2 springs attached to the clutch pedal; the one that pulls it up and also one right at the top that falls out when the pedal box breaks). Also, if the clutch master cylinder is not perfectly lined up with the pedal, it can be very hard to press the pedal down. Make sure the metal rod that goes into the master cylinder stays central to the tube that it goes into when the pedal is pressed. The two mounting bolts that secure the master cylinder can be loosened to re-adjust it's alignment if necessary. Good luck and if you need a garage, shop around for one you can trust

#16 · Jan 25, 2012 Hello Guys!!! A:A:A: T:T:T: Today I went to different garage they just swooped my old cylinder to present one and problem was sorted in £40. I bought old second hand Master Cylinder from eBay £16...was faulty! Any way garage guy told me I need to change my Clutch cylinder after 6 month. So from now on I need to save some money. By the way Clutch cylinder from VW-Cordwallis quote me £862 incuding bearings. I have done some research and find the VW-original parts 100% for £515 eBay name is: vw_teesside phone: Tobi-01287555055 Will keep posting further INFO... Great help from all of you guys T4-! This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread. Insert Quotes Post Reply

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